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post May 12 2009, 09:52 PM
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Forget right and wrong....do drugs help or hinder the magical process????

as loosely defined by our dear friend Wikipedia (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) a drug is:

"any substance that, when absorbed into the body of a living organism, alters normal bodily function"

I've narrowed it down to 'mind altering' in the description column but by no means do I wish to exclude even minor drugs like aspirin or even caffeine...because we all know that these ultimately affect the 'state' in which we perform our various agendas.

i have so many questions that could be answered.

how do drugs, (and which drugs) help the process?
is it necessary to use drugs to obtain an experience, or certain experience, for some people?
do drugs hurt or help ALL spiritual practices, or only certain ones? which ones are these?
which drugs are better, which drugs are worse for magick purposes?
do some of you use drugs ONLY during a ritual...or do you uses it for recreational purposes as well?
if you use drugs to induce certain experiences, do you feel like every time and every experience is valid?
How can you distinguish true from false, and what is the consistent mentality behind accepting what you experience?
do drugs open up gates, or do they tear down the walls of your mind, or do they close doors?
what is the theory behind the spiritual quality of drugs (or perception thereof)?

i am eager to hear what you guys have to say!!!!


(ooops. look like there was already a post like this. sorry guys. i have no idea how to unpost this...nvm haha.)
I like the topic, so I'll keep it up unless the author strenuously objects or a mod rules otherwise...-Bym

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Drug dependency is a great bogeyman in these days.

“I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me.” Hunter S. Thompson

QUOTE(Ankhhape @ May 15 2009, 05:25 PM) *

I would direct you to Crowley's excellent book 'Diary of a Drug Fiend' for the correct association with drugs and their purpose

It is an excellent novel, but I resent the implication that there is only one correct answer to the question of drug use. Almost all modern magic owes a great debt to Crowley, but he is not my prophet. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/13.gif)

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The refination of products in Alchemy provides an intrigue into drugs and their place in spirituality, am hoping to grow cannabis and experiment with it from that perspective.

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valkyrie   Yay! Or Nay! To Drugs?   May 12 2009, 09:52 PM
Vilhjalmr   Well, I know a lot more about the pharmacology of ...   May 15 2009, 12:12 AM
esoterica   depends on the drugs lol - i use pharm methods som...   May 15 2009, 06:57 AM
Mchawi   Better without than with, end up dependant on the ...   May 15 2009, 10:14 AM
Ankhhape   I would direct you to Crowley's excellent book...   May 15 2009, 04:25 PM
T. A. Belmont   I believe that drugs can be beneficial in moderati...   May 17 2009, 11:42 PM
valkyrie   why thank you for so much information! i have ...   May 18 2009, 11:27 AM
Jenfucius   I say it depends. In a nut shell. (If it hasnt be...   May 18 2009, 07:28 PM
Vilhjalmr   I say it depends. In a nut shell. (If it hasnt b...   May 19 2009, 08:56 PM
valkyrie   i appreciate the concern but i assure you...that i...   May 20 2009, 12:11 AM
esoterica   >>drown in your own vomit if things goes bad...   May 19 2009, 09:49 AM
Casadeluna   i think you know in your mind Val what the truth o...   May 19 2009, 01:07 PM
Goibniu   Personally, I find that meditation is a fantastic ...   May 20 2009, 12:25 AM
Vagrant Dreamer   My opinion on the matter is that 'natural drug...   May 21 2009, 08:10 AM
Jenfucius   Personally, I find that meditation is a fantastic...   May 30 2009, 07:57 AM
esoterica   i am leaving the dmt work for the next big gnosis-...   May 21 2009, 09:13 AM
azareth   Yay for me...! Well i use lophophora williamsi...   May 30 2009, 06:59 AM
Firephoenix   Drugs are definitely not required. I have never t...   Jun 2 2009, 06:40 PM
hecate8   [quote name='Firephoenix' date='Jun 2 ...   Aug 17 2013, 06:30 PM
The_Seeker   how do drugs, (and which drugs) help the process?...   Jun 2 2009, 10:35 PM
Vilhjalmr   Good posts. A few comments: "Absinthe - besi...   Jun 3 2009, 12:38 AM
Firephoenix   Also no argument, but with a caveat: There's...   Jun 5 2009, 12:04 PM
Acid09   Dammit I missed the action! The effects of DX...   Jun 8 2009, 08:54 PM
Lucifer   Think of a drug (as well as it's dosage) as in...   Aug 20 2009, 08:22 AM
Petrus   Forget right and wrong....do drugs help or hinder...   Aug 20 2009, 06:04 PM
Casadeluna   inhale,,,,exhale,,,decide that i dont know what i ...   Aug 21 2009, 11:59 AM
Moonchilde   In today's world I think drugs are a valuable ...   Feb 13 2010, 11:31 PM
Moonchilde   I found a source I have been looking for that shou...   Feb 15 2010, 10:31 AM

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