Doing Magick While Projected Options

I have read mr merlins post on AP, and using instructions to do things like visit people and places, i was wondering if i could do magick using commands or something, however it is done, does anybody know how spirits do magick? and have you?

I should beable to see my servitors or spirits, though i do not deny as i haved'nt projected much...

I have before now have casted spells on myself, just from typing in my pc, and instantly felt the effects to a great deal of significance! anyhow, i am skeptical that we are spirits, i think AP or doing magick does'nt prove we are spirits... i want proof that i am a spirit, can u prove this?

I have read mr merlins post on AP, and using instructions to do things like visit people and places, i was wondering if i could do magick using commands or something, however it is done, does anybody know how spirits do magick? and have you?

I should beable to see my servitors or spirits, though i do not deny as i haved'nt projected much...

I have before now have casted spells on myself, just from typing in my pc, and instantly felt the effects to a great deal of significance! anyhow, i am skeptical that we are spirits, i think AP or doing magick does'nt prove we are spirits... i want proof that i am a spirit, can u prove this?

Why should we have to prove anything to you? Educate yourself if you can. . . No offense but maybe you cant personally comprehend it. . . (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bigwink.gif)

maybe i ain't gulabal by everything i read...

i have 89 posts and u 15, u have been rude,, forums are for controversy, but rudeness...

i have read most books, and it is strange because my feelings deny somethings i have read... my belief only changed awhile back, and i want to believe i am a spirit.

within this post is two questions really:

1 can i do magick when astral projected and how? some experienced please!
2can u prove we are spirits? some logic please!

i believe i am conccious because of my brain, not my spirit, when i AP my body is still alive, does my spirit control my body, work my heart feed my brain with thoughts..
i have taken it deep without books, but i need help because i lost faith...

It sounds as if you have never gone out of body before if you ask for proof that we are spirits. The essential you -- your spirit-- can leave your physical body and operate independant of it. If that doesn't prove it I don't know what would. I've never tried to cast a spell as such while out of body, but the whole experience is magical in a sense. I imagine that I could sense my servitors during an OOBE but I've never thought to. Magical spells and such aren't high on my priority list so I can't say that I've tried to do that sort of thing while projected. I have used to very clear, potent energies that I brought back to do things just after coming back though.

i believe i am conccious because of my brain

You are not conscious. No one is. No human that treads this planet is. I am the only conscious being on this Earth.
Everyone else is a mere robot, an andoid.
Every act they commit is predestined.
You are not in control.
You may think you are, but the reality is that you are NOT.

Obviously you fairly strongly about that AE.

You are not conscious. No one is. No human that treads this planet is. I am the only conscious being on this Earth.
Everyone else is a mere robot, an andoid.
Every act they commit is predestined.
You are not in control.
You may think you are, but the reality is that you are NOT.

Unfortunately I don't see things your way. You see, I believe that conscious thought negates the existence of predetermination because at any one moment I can change my mind on some action or course at will. The thought of a higher being really caring about what lower beings like us do really makes me doubt most religions. I feel that human free thought goes against the flow of things and the whole "everything happens as it does for a reason" thing does not apply. Because of this, I have leaned towards Chaos Theory.

It sounds as if you have never gone out of body before if you ask for proof that we are spirits. The essential you -- your spirit-- can leave your physical body and operate independant of it. If that doesn't prove it I don't know what would. I've never tried to cast a spell as such while out of body, but the whole experience is magical in a sense. I imagine that I could sense my servitors during an OOBE but I've never thought to. Magical spells and such aren't high on my priority list so I can't say that I've tried to do that sort of thing while projected. I have used to very clear, potent energies that I brought back to do things just after coming back though.

This describes an astral experience fairly well so I decided to quote it rather than repeat it. Once you experience this, there is no doubt that your spirit is separate your body. The potential to do so much. Knowledge is within your grasp at this state if you're willing to reach out and grab it, so to speak. If you can will yourself to reach out like this then you can find new levels of knowledge that perhaps others didn't have the will to reach out for.

Casting spells on the astral, as you're suggesting Baby Alien, is entirely possible. Your spirit functions similarly to your body (yet still so different and 'alien' to us) and doing rituals on the astral level can boost effectiveness even. Really it's up to you to test this and confirm it for yourself, no one can tell you yes no or maybe. Good luck!

Almost Easy, if you are so sure you are conscious, then you can EASILY answer this: What is consciousness?
And when you are done with this question, please have at this ol' one: What is the meaning of Life?
And when you are done with THAT one, please...Why is there only ONE right answer and WHY oh WHY is it so likely that YOU are the one who figured it out?

I, for one, being unconscious AND a robot, am not responsible for whatever i say (in fact i am just a passing thought in YOUR consciousness)...and there is nothing you can say that will convert me to consciousness! besides, what is proof...if its all a big hoax anyway?
i think...therefore it doesn't matter? WOW what a kill joy. No matter WHAT you say, it won't make me more real. Either i am or i'm not...so answer me just one more question: why bother?

let dreamers dream!

personally, i get cranky when people wake me up. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/00000047.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/13.gif) people tell me i talk in my sleep.

U have to admit i have a point, there is little proof... expereinces are great and help here, i know there is a spirit in me, but i feel my conciousness is from this physical brain, i know so, and wisdom floating into my mind from my spirit sometimes maybe...

i'll be back loaded with answers i hope,

I agree with Goibniu and SPoison. When you actually experience OBE, unless you are a total skeptic, is is very difficult to just write it off as some weird chemical reaction in the brain.
What proved it for me was not only the experience itself, but the sensation of fear I felt when I saw my own body, and my own face. When you are in your body, and you experience emotions like fear, there is a whole chemical reaction as well as sorta physical sensations, like a huge weight or hole in the pit of your stomach etc. This is so familiar to us, we hardly acknowledge it, or are even aware of the more underlying biochemistry.
When I felt that fear, it was a very different experience than when in my body. And that amazed me. It was more like if I was puddle of water and someone just threw a rock in it, or when something very dense and moving very fast rips through a cloud of smoke. It was just pure vibration, like my fear was just a sound/shock wave, nothing more. There were no accompanying neuro- or biochemical reactions whatsoever. It was freaky. And its hard to understand unless you're there.

This led me to a conclusion. I don't think the brain is the source of consciousness at all. It's more like a reciever, transmitter, and super-interpreter of consciousness, constructing and familiarizing itself with recognizable patterns. It then transmits the necessary signals to the rest of the body. It's a super computer utilized by consciousness in order for the consciousness to interact with the physical plane according to its capacity and the capacity of the instrument. Also, I do notbelieve that any and all bio- and neuro-chemical reactions taking place within the body are the original sources for any known state of consciousness. Since I experienced that fear outside any chemical reaction, I believe that when in my body, those vibrations I felt as fear in my astral body set off the chemical reactions in the physical body necessary for the physical being to experience fear. The astral vibrations still take place, but they are drowned out by the resultant triggers that are set off in the physical body. The astral and physical bodies share a very complex and intimate relationship.
You could say that these vibrations are the astral doubles to the physical chemistry.

This is just what I believe though, from conclusions I've drawn.

Peace

This post has been edited by flyingmojo: Jan 31 2008, 06:40 PM

wow flying mojo! im impressed by your explanation. i would love to talk further with you about this. ... so getting back to the point of this entire post: assuming that magick is not of the physical world, what are your thoughts on this? you say that the brain and body is a receptor and interpreter/translator of sorts...so how might the body (which is grounded in the physical) perhaps turn spirituality (magick) into physical results?
although i don't disagree, for the sake of learning, i'll counter your arguments. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hmm.gif)

Thanks, valyrie! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Science states that consciousness is a symptom or result of biochemistry, most especially neurochemistry. I believe it is the exact reverse, that biological and chemical states and interactions are the result of consciousness. That consciousness is much more fundamental to the universe than even the atom. Or, in other words, every atom is a quantum of universal consciousness.

That being said, the body itself, and not just the brain, is a massive matrix of consciousness, most of it making up our own subconscious. All that comes into being, comes into being via intent, intention being purposeful or deliberate, and these qualities are of consciousness alone. The body comes into being via the intent of sense of self, with its fixed karmic patterns of habit, memory, desire, fear, happiness, love, pain etc. (altough not every being with a sense of self becomes embodied). Karma being like how water carves out its pattern in the earth to form a riverbed.

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So to answer your question, I think what we call chi, prana, the life-force etc is the medium of intention for consciousness. And the body, "grounded" as you say in the physical plane, is a profound battery of grounded life-force, since the body is embodied intent via the life-force. And as magick is simply tapping into the power of intent or will, our bodies are amazing and profound engines of magick, of life-force, ready to be directed at will, so to speak. Like each and every one of us IS the Ark of the Covenant. Every cell in the body is a magickal power-house.

When the kundalini ascends up the spine though, that's when everything's really switched on (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wizard.gif)

This led me to a conclusion. I don't think the brain is the source of consciousness at all. It's more like a reciever, transmitter, and super-interpreter of consciousness, constructing and familiarizing itself with recognizable patterns. It then transmits the necessary signals to the rest of the body. It's a super computer utilized by consciousness in order for the consciousness to interact with the physical plane according to its capacity and the capacity of the instrument. Also, I do notbelieve that any and all bio- and neuro-chemical reactions taking place within the body are the original sources for any known state of consciousness. Since I experienced that fear outside any chemical reaction, I believe that when in my body, those vibrations I felt as fear in my astral body set off the chemical reactions in the physical body necessary for the physical being to experience fear.

i agree fully on the brain thing its just a machine doing the work to manifest the non visible(astral psychic or whatever its called the non natural mechanicthings)

Now on the subject of fear and emotion there are very diffrent ways to experience that. The astral body the body itself(physical?) the simple soul itself.
and the etheral body. the two last are protective measures in your system. so for ex if you feel love in theese 2 =bad but as in the mind or astral feeling it is pure and divine love. Ok my view on love is VERY black and white either its everything or worthless shit.
but theese are meere feelings wich are actually very easy to get rid of.
Well for me its not that easy to be honest i got rid of the mental and astral fear.
But my body still reacts to threath by pumping andrenaline but for agressive purpouse.....
And love well it consumed me destroyed everything made me what i am now a worthless piece of shit.
well thats just my 2 cents thou i dont remeber anymore what i replied to but hey thats life bye.

It is utter folly to attempt to "prove" the existence of spirit through discussion as most here will know, BabyAlien (nvm how many posts you have).
You ask for logic to explain that which is beyond logic, and far beyond mere words even for that matter. I would argue that most who travel spiritual paths of any kind agree that the only way to comprehend your spirit or even "believe" in it is to experience it for yourself. Until this time you will doubtless be skeptical as the rational mind does not accept "faith" due to its inherent implication of blindness. Once you reach any form of attainment in any eastern system you no longer require "faith" because the spiritual nature of your being becomes knowledge based upon your own personal experience, subjective yes, but impossible for you to deny.

As for the brain vs conciousness debate, no think, Renee, just am.

This post has been edited by Unas: Feb 14 2008, 03:00 PM