How Do I Create A Magickal Servant? Options

how would I create a magickal servant to locate something/someone for me?

if anyone could give me any advice on this is would be greatly appreciated.


Blessed Be,

Lady Jade

I assume you mean a servitor, hon', in which case I'd say to visit the Chaos Magic & Artificial entities forums. There is alot of material on servitors if you just look around. Good luck (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif).

.::Sempre Bene::..::Chris::.
-Fiat Lux

Are you wanting to know how to create a servent (. . . servitor)?

or just something regarding its ability to locate someone/something?

Are you wanting to know how to create a servent (. . . servitor)?

or just something regarding its ability to locate someone/something?

a servitor, sorry

Well Lady . . . that kinda depends on your magickal background.

As GaiusOctavian suggested in your other thread (on the same subject), there are some good sites that can offer alot of information/methodology.

With a few assumptions about your magickal abilities (raising energy, directing energy...)
For a VERY basic approach:
formulate an internal thoughtform, give it enough attention that its developed some characteristics and coherency. (maybe a name, attributes, identifing sigil...)
raise energy and release it into a cohesive externalized mass. Its not too uncommon to direct it out of your hands, 3rd eye or solar-plexus as a "blob" of energy in front of yourself.
reaffirm and reprogram your energy blob with the previous characteristic, and include any other relevent components (life-span, energy sources....)
send it off
...
...
call it back (if necassary) and reabsorb it
meditate or whatever you do to allow youreself the opportunity to reintegrate its "astral" information into your own.

The above is VERY basic, but still can take a person a while to personally develop the skills needed . . . and can take some time to develop the ability to create, send, absorb and understand the nature of a servitor.
You can add to aspects of its creation (ritual, body fluids....) and dont forget . . .
Your servitor is all YOU, from beginning to end.
Nothing your thoughtforms does is ever outside of your Karmic Debt.
Treat it as you would treat yourself (it is), as a friendly tool that is intending your work, needing your supportive direction.

(don't let your critter "live" for too long . . . 6 - 10 days should be sufficient . . . they can get wonky)

ask more questions, get more opinions . . . you still have to work it out for yourself. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This post has been edited by palindroem: Sep 14 2006, 02:56 PM

call it back (if necassary) and reabsorb it
meditate or whatever you do to allow youreself the opportunity to reintegrate its "astral" information into your own.

(don't let your critter "live" for too long . . . 6 - 10 days should be sufficient . . . they can get wonky)

ask more questions, get more opinions . . . you still have to work it out for yourself. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I never understood this insistance on 'reabsorbing' and/or putting a shelf-life on servitors. Maybe it is because people have a different conception of servitors than I do? I don't think I would cleave a creation from myself, imbue it with some sort of intelligence or directive, and then send it out only to reabsorb or kill it within a short span. That always seemed like a long-term work to me.

It seems that alot of people are worried about something like a Frankenstien or Golem situation developing.. which, I guess that is warrented.. but that should only lend itself to more careful consideration and thoughtfulness before the operation shouldn't it?

This seems like something very potent that has been watered down to the level of pop-magick paganism and Llewellyn press spell books..

This seems like something very potent that has been watered down to the level of pop-magick paganism and Llewellyn press spell books..

Very much so (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) . . . but, that seemed to be the point of origin of the question . . . so, the point of discussion I've engaged in.
This just didn't seem to be the thread to launch into "Chaos theory" high-magic and thuergy. (we should start a thread on that!)

Its my opinion that energy tends to dissipate, and thats all fine. The problem is when "magickally" invoked and designed energy dissipates it tends to either lose its focus of cohesion; ending in increasingly chaotic attempts at its goal or being available energy to anything that can assimilate it, while the energy still retains a "contagien" connection to the magician.
Either way, if the energy simply returns to its source, the sorcerer avoids much of both liabilities (though theres always a bit of loss to ambience) and can be reutilized by the sorcerer.
In addition, one way of integrating the information the servitor may have gathered (if thats its purpose), is by absorbing the thoughtform wholey. Its a procedure for integrating truely astral information-content into an organic brain.
The "shelf-life" is (for me) just a method of providing an additional focusing tool, pre-eminently useful for those who are new to the whole process. The overtly generic-ness of the procedure I gave was intended to be introductively basic . . . (and back to watered-down...). I assume that anyone would "dress" it up in whatever ritual or symbolic costume thier most comfortable with. It was just for general technicalities.

One of the problems is that, often, enough consideration and thoughtfullness just isn't given . . . sometime because of naivety, over-enthuesiasm, or just plain stupidity. Either way, it doesn't serve my karmic debt any to ignore giving some suggestions that one, on there own, my eventually learn (or otherwise accomidate) at thier own dept expense.

That always seemed like a long-term work to me.

although I would certainly agree . . . we're always creating, sending and dissolving thoughtforms . . . we (not necassarily referring to the magician) aren't aware of it. For the sorcerer/magician, it certainly should be worked at as a long-term skill development and (me personally) a long-term relationship building . . . but it does happen on the very short-term too, why not allow the advantages of that to those who are either just beginning (and need to learn and master what thier doing anyway), or to those that use it as a form more akin to spellcasting then servitor work.

Honestly, my personal (current) approach is very different (as regarding my own sentient thoughtforms). I'm more of an inclination to revoke an already occuring aspect of my psyche that I have a direct and stable (ie, ongoing) relationship with. Saves me the effort of many of the "precautionary" steps (while deepening my relationship with my personal spirits) . . . but that only comes out of going through "the" process, mistakes included.

But please Seronleithian, if you have other methods or you feel a better presentation . . . please add to the thread !!
Reality is a REALLY big fluid / plastic ball of stuff . . . the more dents and impressions we can see, the better we are at denting and impressing it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

(did I forget to add to my original post; i know nothing . . . )

This post has been edited by palindroem: Sep 24 2006, 09:10 AM

Personally I've never reabsorbed any of the entities I've created. For short term servitors, they seem to work until their initial store of energy is depleted. Then they "die" so to speak. I've even tried calling on a short term thoughtform I created a few months ago, but got no response.

Currently I'm working with a few created entities that I plan on keeping long term. It's been a very interesting process so far as after the initial creation ritual, the relationship you have with your servitor is basically the same that you would have with any other summoned entity...a little closer maybe.

These permanent entities have more of a presence and personality and can handle more complex tasks. You might want to experiment with this too.

What exactly do you want a magickal being such as a servitor to do? How would you go about creating one? I guess you'd need to program thought to create a reaction from someone's thought or even emotions, is there a way to do this though? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused012.gif)

Greetings!
There are any number of reasons to reabsorb 'servitors' at the end of their purpose. They will glom onto you in the lower astral looking to be replenished...possibly causing a steady drain on your resources. Looking in on the surrounding astral will reveal what amounts to a psychic garbage dump filled with your leftovers and other lower astral trash feeding on the remains....psychic roaches...mmmm, pleasant! If the leftover 'body' is still fairly complete or is strong enough the parasitic types can 'animate/possess' them causing all sorts of manifestations or psychic nuisances to occur. Abandonning used servitors is sloppy. Whilst you may be the type to just discard your prophylactics on the ground without regard to where or why when you are finished you are leaving your mess for others to deal with. 'Out of sight, out of mind' may be your bywords but all you are doing is being a slob. (Poor laboratory method also!) Please keep it clean! Besides by reabsorbing the servitor you are gaining all its knowledge of its experiences...

I've taken the stance that is contrary to most out there. Please read up on F. Bardon Initiation into Hermetics and Bruces AstralDynamics! They will give you some very interesting reasons for 'cleaning up' your environment. Cutting corners in your work can sometimes end up biting you in your butt! Keep a happy thought! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
-Bym

PS To Coffee,
Good questions! More of you 'youngsters' should be asking yourself these before rushing to the final chapters to make a servitor. I've created longterm servitors. The longer they are around the harder they are to reabsorb. They tend to follow their makers personality traits and can even become somewhat 'liberated'. Thi0s can be very bad for a number of reasons starting with unwanted pschic manifestations to 'vampiric' interference. 'Killing' a pet is what it feels like but remember, you made it and it is intrinsically yours!

This post has been edited by bym: Oct 1 2006, 01:48 PM

Greetings!
There are any number of reasons to reabsorb 'servitors' at the end of their purpose. They will glom onto you in the lower astral looking to be replenished...possibly causing a steady drain on your resources. Looking in on the surrounding astral will reveal what amounts to a psychic garbage dump filled with your leftovers and other lower astral trash feeding on the remains....psychic roaches...mmmm, pleasant! If the leftover 'body' is still fairly complete or is strong enough the parasitic types can 'animate/possess' them causing all sorts of manifestations or psychic nuisances to occur. Abandonning used servitors is sloppy. Whilst you may be the type to just discard your prophylactics on the ground without regard to where or why when you are finished you are leaving your mess for others to deal with. 'Out of sight, out of mind' may be your bywords but all you are doing is being a slob. (Poor laboratory method also!) Please keep it clean! Besides by reabsorbing the servitor you are gaining all its knowledge of its experiences...

It's mentioned as above to start with a thought form, unless done in another way. So wouldn't it just be a thought form with some of your own astral energy, as it's created here? Doesn't seem to be a humanoid life yet.

Everything that exists on the astral is 'just a thoughtform'... Perhaps I've confused things here? As you become more in touch with the other realms/planes of being you will begin to 'see' what is all around you. LOL! Most of you would be absolutely horrified to see the various larvae, etc. that everyone has swirling around them. If you create a thoughtform capable of performing various (or even one) task(s) then you know that they have astral and/or mental-etheric substance.
IMHO, I'd hone my skills with perception as well as flexing magical muscle. Astral waste needn't have humanoid shape...that crumpled up used McDonalds wrapper isn't humanoid but it was created to do a job and now, its function utilized, it lies there taking up space and waiting for the ambient environment to dissolve it. It's trash...either pick it up and reuse it or throw it out properly! This rant isn't aimed at anyone in particular but expresses an opinion. Thanks for thinking about it! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Greetings!
There are any number of reasons to reabsorb 'servitors' at the end of their purpose. They will glom onto you in the lower astral looking to be replenished...possibly causing a steady drain on your resources. Looking in on the surrounding astral will reveal what amounts to a psychic garbage dump filled with your leftovers and other lower astral trash feeding on the remains....psychic roaches...mmmm, pleasant! If the leftover 'body' is still fairly complete or is strong enough the parasitic types can 'animate/possess' them causing all sorts of manifestations or psychic nuisances to occur.

I've heard such theories and ideas before but like I said, this hasn't been my experience. I've experienced no drain, never seen anything glomming onto me, staring at me from the lower astral with hungry eyes...

Abandonning used servitors is sloppy. Whilst you may be the type to just discard your prophylactics on the ground without regard to where or why when you are finished you are leaving your mess for others to deal with. 'Out of sight, out of mind' may be your bywords but all you are doing is being a slob. (Poor laboratory method also!) Please keep it clean! Besides by reabsorbing the servitor you are gaining all its knowledge of its experiences...

Lovely metaphor.

Another metaphor a magician friend of mine uses is that Servitors are like servants. After they've served you well you should let them go and get on with their lives. Another idea is that without attention and energy from you they will just fade away. So there's no need to consciously reabsorb them.

What's the Truth? I don't know.

But it's interesting that most people's servitors tend to behave like their creator expects them to...whether consciously or subconsciously...

I've taken the stance that is contrary to most out there. Please read up on F. Bardon Initiation into Hermetics and Bruces AstralDynamics! They will give you some very interesting reasons for 'cleaning up' your environment. Cutting corners in your work can sometimes end up biting you in your butt! Keep a happy thought! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I've read and enjoyed both books very much and I respect Bardon's work immensely.

But as with anything else I'd rather experience something to be true before buying into it.

There is a lot of good stuff in Bardon but from my experience his strict, hostile approach to dealing with spirits (created or otherwise) is unfounded.

Greetings!
There are any number of reasons to reabsorb 'servitors' at the end of their purpose. They will glom onto you in the lower astral looking to be replenished...possibly causing a steady drain on your resources. Looking in on the surrounding astral will reveal what amounts to a psychic garbage dump filled with your leftovers and other lower astral trash feeding on the remains....psychic roaches...mmmm, pleasant! If the leftover 'body' is still fairly complete or is strong enough the parasitic types can 'animate/possess' them causing all sorts of manifestations or psychic nuisances to occur. Abandonning used servitors is sloppy. Whilst you may be the type to just discard your prophylactics on the ground without regard to where or why when you are finished you are leaving your mess for others to deal with. 'Out of sight, out of mind' may be your bywords but all you are doing is being a slob. (Poor laboratory method also!) Please keep it clean! Besides by reabsorbing the servitor you are gaining all its knowledge of its experiences...

I've taken the stance that is contrary to most out there. Please read up on F. Bardon Initiation into Hermetics and Bruces AstralDynamics! They will give you some very interesting reasons for 'cleaning up' your environment. Cutting corners in your work can sometimes end up biting you in your butt! Keep a happy thought! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
-Bym

PS To Coffee,
Good questions! More of you 'youngsters' should be asking yourself these before rushing to the final chapters to make a servitor. I've created longterm servitors. The longer they are around the harder they are to reabsorb. They tend to follow their makers personality traits and can even become somewhat 'liberated'. Thi0s can be very bad for a number of reasons starting with unwanted pschic manifestations to 'vampiric' interference. 'Killing' a pet is what it feels like but remember, you made it and it is intrinsically yours!

This is a good thread. Many of the issues addressed here are part of magical etiquette which is in danger of becoming a lost art. A well-mannered mage will not be as subject to the Darwinian force of peer review, if they consider the impact of their actions on other mages.

I second bym's views regarding the reabsorption of servitors. It is possible for servitors to find ways to sustain themselves, particularly if they were created for martial purposes. In some circumstances, the life span can be quite long and the creation can become a loose cannon. Failure to reabsorb this energy leaves a link to yourself relatively unguarded. It is unwise to underestimate the danger inherent in interacting energetically with the world. All energy that you put out into the world is a link to you. Creatures with skill can tell much about you by examining one of your creations. It is unwise to provide such information in an uncontrolled manner.

A second point that I feel very strongly about is that it is the responsibility of a mage to leave as few unintended marks in the worlds as possible. As your skill to project energy into the world grows, your responsibility to clear up after yourself grows. Leaving energetic clutter can interfere with the workings of others, changing the energy dynamic and thus the results. This magical litter has a randomizing effect on probability. I see it as a sign of respect for other mages to clean up after yourself.

Finally, I am uncomfortable in assuming a callous approach to energetic constructions with that much complexity of structure. Although you may only dictate a few characteristics of its balance, it must manifest many more characteristics in order to have enough structure to function. Without access to the creator's structure, the creature will become imbalanced. I can't find the words to explain why choosing to allow this seems wrong to me, but it does. Perhaps, I would not appreciate being manipulated by a more complex creature in that fashion. The act of absorption is ultimately an expression of love, and each time I have become one with something in that manner I have benefited spiritually.

motsie

Another metaphor a magician friend of mine uses is that Servitors are like servants. After they've served you well you should let them go and get on with their lives.

What lives? You gave them a function when you created them. When that task is over, reabsorb them!

But as with anything else I'd rather experience something to be true before buying into it.

Absolutely. I have noticed this to be true so I am careful about the end of the operation. A baby doesn't understand how or why it made their messy diaper but as they mature (and are housebroken) they no longer crap their drawers. Just because you haven't lived long enough to experience certain things doesn't mean they don't exist. I'm not the Park Attendant for the Astral so you go right ahead with that.

There is a lot of good stuff in Bardon but from my experience his strict, hostile approach to dealing with spirits (created or otherwise) is unfounded.

We disagree. Bardon is definately not hostile toward spirits. He doesn't have an 'open door' policy in regards to the evocation/invocation of spirits but that is hardly 'hostile'. In fact, he goes to great lengths to supply the student with many ways to facilitate communication between the student and the spirits.

A reason that you haven't experienced or seen some of the lower astral sludge may be that one has never really looked. People don't often look at nightmare willingly. Perhaps if you took a look around you'd understand where I'm coming from. Or not. Happy trails! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/i_triangle.gif)

Really, the point isn't whether or not you (whoever) have had a good, bad, or insignificant experience with your thoughtform leftovers.

The point is . . . that when one DOES absorb their astral creations they have an opportunity to benefit; energetically, informationally, and contagion-wise (unless you want to leave strings out there that others can yank)

bym and motsie are both well within good edicate (and well founded occult theory) to warn about the inconvienance, and even possible dangers, of not bringing those parts of your magickal self back to yourself when your finished.
Its alot like saying, when your done projecting . . don't just snap wake and up, bring your energy body back to your physical and remerge.
Of course, you CAN just snap back . . . but why?

Why leave that coherent mass of YOUR energy out there to fade (or worse), why waste it . . . if you need to be rid of excess energy, either ground it out or store it . . . but otherwise, why not reclaim the potential value of it (plus, you may potentially get additional 'energy' that the thoughtform has collected in the meantime, ie. information)

Certainly, if you want to experience loss . . . leave'em out there, let them slowly drain themselves out to oblivion.
I just can imagine why . . . when you (whoever) have a perfect opportunity to get it back (mostly at least)
Siamese, this isn't personal . . . you've been kind enough to put yourself in the position of a 'devils-advocate' of sorts, hopefully for the benefit of the thread and maybe other sorcerer . . . thanks.

If, for you, Bardons approach to spirits seems hostile . . . maybe it isn't unfounded, just consistant with his experience. I'm certainly not one to say that his practices, experiences or teachings are wrong . . . but they have some validity simply because he experienced them. Far be it for me to criticize a mage as himself, whether or not my experiences are different.
Of course, the same could (should) be said for your practices and experiences. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

In the end, whether servitors are reabsorbed or left to dissolve, it is your energy and your relationship with the greater context (reality, world, astral plane, whatever) . . . and you have to accept your responsibility for the way you move (...Ladyj)

This post has been edited by palindroem: Oct 2 2006, 12:18 PM

Very well said Palindroem! No, it was not personal Siamese! Point taken... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/horse.gif)

I enjoyed this discussion. I hope we talk again.

motsie

Servitors need a continual supply of energy in order to maintain their cohesion, which is why they tend to degrade over time. If you want to make one permanent, you have to either continually "feed" it, (which can be dangerous, what with having an unnessecary astral connection between you that can be manipulated by other entities/people) or attach it to a physical object (I use stones) through which you can set up a continual feed of energy to supply it, which is the method I use when creating servitor guardians, this frees me up from basic maintenance, and removes possibility of an astral thread that can be abused or manipulated.