Demon Or Egregore?, This is very serious Options

Hi everyone,

I really need some help and advice with this, I'll try to make it as brief as possible. When I was 3 years old (now 36). A family member put a Obeah curse on me and my mother, In 2007 I had the cursed items removed by a shaman. But it seems that the spirit went into hiding and was affecting me still from the astral plane.

Two nights ago the shaman and some others tried too removed this curse. But it wasn't a curse, what my shaman saw put him in Intensive care for 2 days. As the they were performing the ritual they saw a gigantic snake with two heads and horns, it had 4 legs and 4 arms it had three swords, one in each hand. It threw the shaman 6 feet in the air and bit him 2 times in the back, he barely made it out with his life.

Was the curse originally some sort of egregore that is now too strong or was it a demon that was used? I sense it may be a demon but I am not sure. I dare not even try to look for it on the astral plane. This thing is affecting me, my mother & my brother, I am told it will turn on my son too. Is there any way to get rid of it? Some feedback would be really helpful right now

thanx

On behalf of the administration here I apologize for allowing that member's attack to go on as long as it did. Action has been taken.

As to your problem, I admit my own skepticism, however even the suggestion made by the previous respondent could be a manifestation of such an entities attempt on influencing you and your family. I have seen far more seemingly unrelated things happen before, and in my own experience a malign entity will use such 'coincidence' in all aspects of life to get it message across and see it's intentions carried out.

Because of that, I have a couple of ideas/suggestions. Obviously in the first place you should learn - really should have already learned - some kind of banishing ritual to do every day, twice a day. In addition to that, I suggest you find the family member who put the curse on you in the first place. If they have passed away, you need pictures of them, articles which belonged to them, etc., so that you can perform an appropriate binding/banishing over them. Wherever this person is, know that they will be affected by this act.

If they are still alive and you can have contact with them, offer them the chance to remove the curse themselves. Likely if they are capable of a curse like this, they know the consequences of someone breaking that curse on their own.

You said the curse objects have been removed, unfortunately after this much time they are inconsequential. You 'grew up with' a curse, it's become a part of who you are and you have likely worked it into the very fabric of your own psyche at this point. You need to identify points in your life where that curse has affected you and get to the root of those behaviors, because to break a curse, you have to know what the curse is - it isn't enough to just 'break whatever curse is on me', at least not at this point.

I have never heard of an entity developing from a curse, although I have worked rituals which over time seemed to take on some element of consciousness, in the manner of a servitor, usually in order to carry out the intention I put into action. So, it is possible that the same thing happened here. However, it could just as likely be an aspect of the curse itself, in case the individual were to try and break it.

I know about undoing magick, but I've never had to break a curse. My suggestions then are to take these things into consideration, and if you cannot do these things yourself, find a practitioner/shaman/voudoun who can. I do suggest looking within the tradition itself, Obeah come from voudoun/houdoun tradition.

peace, and good luck.

On behalf of the administration here I apologize for allowing that member's attack to go on as long as it did. Action has been taken.

As to your problem, I admit my own skepticism, however even the suggestion made by the previous respondent could be a manifestation of such an entities attempt on influencing you and your family. I have seen far more seemingly unrelated things happen before, and in my own experience a malign entity will use such 'coincidence' in all aspects of life to get it message across and see it's intentions carried out.

Vagrant Dreamer thank you for your feedback, yes that incident earlier is a prime example of how its been working in the past. I never found out about this curse until I was 31, it was through developing by psychic abilities and re-kindling an interest in magick from childhood that I learned about this thing. I know this is pretty hard for me to swallow sometimes, if I hadn't have seen and felt it I'd be a little skeptical too. Here's picture below of what was used as a link, the toys I used to play with (if its working) they were removed in 2007;
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Because of that, I have a couple of ideas/suggestions. Obviously in the first place you should learn - really should have already learned - some kind of banishing ritual to do every day, twice a day. In addition to that, I suggest you find the family member who put the curse on you in the first place. If they have passed away, you need pictures of them, articles which belonged to them, etc., so that you can perform an appropriate binding/banishing over them. Wherever this person is, know that they will be affected by this act.

I have been doing LBRP and MP everyday but I will start doing it twice a day. I have also chanting The Exorcism Zi Dinger from the Nec facing in each polar direction. This person is still alive, but she never performed this operation herself, the person who did died some time ago I'm told. I will try a binding banishing ritual. Any suggestions for a really effective one?

You said the curse objects have been removed, unfortunately after this much time they are inconsequential. You 'grew up with' a curse, it's become a part of who you are and you have likely worked it into the very fabric of your own psyche at this point.

That makes a lot of sense, I'm personally not scared of snakes - but my mom hates anything with scales she can't even look at one if its on TV. Also there was a dead baby snake in one of the packages with my mom's hair wrapped around.

You need to identify points in your life where that curse has affected you and get to the root of those behaviors, because to break a curse, you have to know what the curse is - it isn't enough to just 'break whatever curse is on me', at least not at this point.

As far as I know from other family members, my mother was an aspiring model just on the start of her career, this cousin who she lived with did this because she was jealous of the praise my mother was getting. It wasn't designed to kill any of us but I was told it was used to make our lives unhappy, unlucky and for all of us to be disliked. Any achievements were never going to materialize and both my mother and I both developed Lupus, an auto-immune disease which attacks the body and brother has problems with his health. My life went downhill from the age of 18 my brother was not so lucky my mother was pregnant when she was cursed.

Thank you your advice is worth its weight in gold and you've looked at angles that I couldn't see, Luna (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

A simple ritual that's saved my ass many a time is the Double Action Candle trick. It's a candle with one black end and one white end, usually the black end is toward the bottom. Shave off the flat end so the wick is exposed, put the candle on a spike (one of those pillar holders with a spike work great) over a mirror, light both ends, and let it burn. This should send any jinxes your way back to their senders. If you can't get a Double Action candle, black and white tapers or tealights work great too. Just put them side by side in their holders on top of a mirror.

Another use for a Double Action Candle is to anoint it with Uncrossing Oil (or something similar), then burn it as you would any other candle. The white section should drip over the black section as the candle burns. This symbolises good overcoming evil. The white ones are best for general unhexing, but you can get them in red/black (love troubles) and green/black (money/career troubles) as well.

Just make sure you follow good candle safety procedures and DON'T leave it unattended.

Good luck with everything...

A simple ritual that's saved my ass many a time is the Double Action Candle trick. It's a candle with one black end and one white end, usually the black end is toward the bottom. Shave off the flat end so the wick is exposed, put the candle on a spike (one of those pillar holders with a spike work great) over a mirror, light both ends, and let it burn. This should send any jinxes your way back to their senders. If you can't get a Double Action candle, black and white tapers or tealights work great too. Just put them side by side in their holders on top of a mirror.

Another use for a Double Action Candle is to anoint it with Uncrossing Oil (or something similar), then burn it as you would any other candle. The white section should drip over the black section as the candle burns. This symbolises good overcoming evil. The white ones are best for general unhexing, but you can get them in red/black (love troubles) and green/black (money/career troubles) as well.

Just make sure you follow good candle safety procedures and DON'T leave it unattended.

Good luck with everything...

Thanks for the tips Darkmage, I'm trying everyone I get at the moment to help me build up some sort of defense and protection. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Hi everyone,

I really need some help and advice with this, I'll try to make it as brief as possible. When I was 3 years old (now 36). A family member put a Obeah curse on me and my mother, In 2007 I had the cursed items removed by a shaman. But it seems that the spirit went into hiding and was affecting me still from the astral plane.

Two nights ago the shaman and some others tried too removed this curse. But it wasn't a curse, what my shaman saw put him in Intensive care for 2 days. As the they were performing the ritual they saw a gigantic snake with two heads and horns, it had 4 legs and 4 arms it had three swords, one in each hand. It threw the shaman 6 feet in the air and bit him 2 times in the back, he barely made it out with his life.

Was the curse originally some sort of egregore that is now too strong or was it a demon that was used? I sense it may be a demon but I am not sure. I dare not even try to look for it on the astral plane. This thing is affecting me, my mother & my brother, I am told it will turn on my son too. Is there any way to get rid of it? Some feedback would be really helpful right now

thanx

Well, I know from here I am unable to do anything. I can however give some advice that might be worth something. Curses are difficult to be-rid of when you aren't the direct target, and you don't know the original intent. Finding this guy's clothing would work wonders if you knew someone who could use the objects. If I were you I'd go looking for a Voodoo and/or Haitian Priest/ess to consult your problems with, if you're looking they will find you. I will warn you once, if you do contact these people they are dangerous and don't do any further workings with their spirits unless you are ready for the consequences. Go to any genuine occult shop, spread the word around, and leave your contact information. If you do eventually contact one of these Priest/ess do not with hold any information regarding the subject even if it seems minute or useless.

This is what I would do,
Good luck,
Coyote

This post has been edited by Dancing Coyote: Jan 22 2009, 03:41 PM

Thanks for the tips Darkmage, I'm trying everyone I get at the moment to help me build up some sort of defense and protection. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

You're welcome. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Dancing Coyote raises a good point--from what you've said, you and your brother seem to be collateral damage. So I'd work on passive defence and throwing up walls right now rather than counterattacking. There are a million ways to psychically protect yourself--google 'protection spells' and you'll find bucketloads of them. Also, check out Judy Hall's book The Art of Psychic Protection. Her techniques seem a bit New Agey at times, but damn if they don't work.

Make sure your astral space is clean, just like your physical space is. I'm not sure if you have any particular restrictions w/your lupus, sometimes people with autoimmunes have allergies up the ass, but burning frankincense, a mix of frankincense and myrrh (basically church incense), or sandalwood can really help send things packing. Sage also works, but the smudging sage that is native to and used in N. America is different than the culinary stuff. I've used both though to equal effect, so use what you've got. If you can't tolerate smoke, try a few drops of the essential oils in a fragrance diffuser. Different method, same effect.

There's also the good old Louisiana Hot Foot. Take equal parts salt, red pepper, and black pepper, and sprinkle it around the house. It also works great to get rid of unwanted houseguests or in-laws who have overstayed their welcome--just add a pinch in the washing machine when they use it to do their laundry or slip a pinch in their shoes when they're left unattended.

Good luck and be safe!

You're welcome. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Dancing Coyote raises a good point--from what you've said, you and your brother seem to be collateral damage. So I'd work on passive defence and throwing up walls right now rather than counterattacking. There are a million ways to psychically protect yourself--google 'protection spells' and you'll find bucketloads of them. Also, check out Judy Hall's book The Art of Psychic Protection. Her techniques seem a bit New Agey at times, but damn if they don't work.

Make sure your astral space is clean, just like your physical space is. I'm not sure if you have any particular restrictions w/your lupus, sometimes people with autoimmunes have allergies up the ass, but burning frankincense, a mix of frankincense and myrrh (basically church incense), or sandalwood can really help send things packing. Sage also works, but the smudging sage that is native to and used in N. America is different than the culinary stuff. I've used both though to equal effect, so use what you've got. If you can't tolerate smoke, try a few drops of the essential oils in a fragrance diffuser. Different method, same effect.

There's also the good old Louisiana Hot Foot. Take equal parts salt, red pepper, and black pepper, and sprinkle it around the house. It also works great to get rid of unwanted houseguests or in-laws who have overstayed their welcome--just add a pinch in the washing machine when they use it to do their laundry or slip a pinch in their shoes when they're left unattended.

Good luck and be safe!

I'm not entirely sure incense will solve this one, and I'm not entirely sure how much power one can put into a protection spell if you are already under constant attack. It's like trying to put on armor over a multitude of barbs and thistles stuck to your body. Salt is wonderful dealing with most things, but if this is a genuine curse it stinks of voodoo. That's my specific take on it, a dead snake with hair wrapped around it is a major indicator which is generally not a curse one can lift with incense. However it would be a good way of temporarily dispelling the entity so you could go in and put a quick shielding on the home.

The best shielding technique using physical objects I've come across might sound rather disgusting because of the social taboos, but I wouldn't post it if it didn't work. Step one, Get a medium sized glass bottle and fill it with iron nails. Step two, fill the bottle with your urine. Step three, bury the bottle under your house (if you live in an apartment find an outdoor pot or buried near your house is fine too). Step four, there is no step four you're done.

Good luck,
Coyote

Edit: I finally looked up the word "Obea" and found that it is in fact a sort of African/Voodoo practice, I have not heard the term used before for whatever reason.

This post has been edited by Dancing Coyote: Jan 23 2009, 02:08 AM

Well, a temporary respite is better than none at all. And I'm assuming that one burns the incense with intent, prayer, etc. Just torching it and doing nothing else, then assuming everything's now OK is foolish. Many times things like this follow the path of least resistance, throwing up resistance can be enough to buy some time to learn to fight it. And Google is a friend here, there are banishing/binding spells pretty much anywhere you care to look.

The whole host of GD banishing rituals would be applicable here, in addition to finding a shaman or voudoun practitioner who could help break this curse. I do agree with you on that.

Edit: this curse makes me think along the lines of termites--you can't resist them if you don't know they're there. Once you do, you can tent your house, fume the little bastards, then repair the rot, but you've also got to be vigilant and make sure they don't reinfest everything.


This post has been edited by Darkmage: Jan 23 2009, 03:17 AM

Well, a temporary respite is better than none at all. And I'm assuming that one burns the incense with intent, prayer, etc. Just torching it and doing nothing else, then assuming everything's now OK is foolish. Many times things like this follow the path of least resistance, throwing up resistance can be enough to buy some time to learn to fight it. And Google is a friend here, there are banishing/binding spells pretty much anywhere you care to look.

The whole host of GD banishing rituals would be applicable here, in addition to finding a shaman or voudoun practitioner who could help break this curse. I do agree with you on that.

Edit: this curse makes me think along the lines of termites--you can't resist them if you don't know they're there. Once you do, you can tent your house, fume the little bastards, then repair the rot, but you've also got to be vigilant and make sure they don't reinfest everything.

Wow, I tickle you alittle and a whole load of useful information comes out. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ac42.gif)

Well, I know from here I am unable to do anything. I can however give some advice that might be worth something. Curses are difficult to be-rid of when you aren't the direct target, and you don't know the original intent. Finding this guy's clothing would work wonders if you knew someone who could use the objects. If I were you I'd go looking for a Voodoo and/or Haitian Priest/ess to consult your problems with, if you're looking they will find you. I will warn you once, if you do contact these people they are dangerous and don't do any further workings with their spirits unless you are ready for the consequences. Go to any genuine occult shop, spread the word around, and leave your contact information. If you do eventually contact one of these Priest/ess do not with hold any information regarding the subject even if it seems minute or useless.

This is what I would do,
Good luck,
Coyote

Hi Coyote,

Thanks for the advice, trying to look for a practicioner now, the shaman that i usually work as I said earlier was attacked by this think though he's back on his feet now. He's in South Africa and the news has got around about his ordeal so the other practicioners are scared to work with him as he needs group help to combat this thing and he's detemined to defeat this thing. And just to make even more complicated there are 2 of these snake things not one, a male and and female. Just as I thought it couldn't get any worse. I'm in England and its very hard for me to find voudon practicioners here, the internet is full of tricksters and charlatons wanting cash claiming they cant undertake the work for you and i'm very weary of anyone who claims to use obeah as it is one of the most dangerous form of magick having no religious structure to it just primary forces/entities that are worked with.

I'm in the process of getting hold of this family members address and going over there to deal with this. But I will keep looking, thanks (IMG:style_emoticons/default/victory.gif)

Well, a temporary respite is better than none at all. And I'm assuming that one burns the incense with intent, prayer, etc. Just torching it and doing nothing else, then assuming everything's now OK is foolish. Many times things like this follow the path of least resistance, throwing up resistance can be enough to buy some time to learn to fight it. And Google is a friend here, there are banishing/binding spells pretty much anywhere you care to look.

The whole host of GD banishing rituals would be applicable here, in addition to finding a shaman or voudoun practitioner who could help break this curse. I do agree with you on that.

Edit: this curse makes me think along the lines of termites--you can't resist them if you don't know they're there. Once you do, you can tent your house, fume the little bastards, then repair the rot, but you've also got to be vigilant and make sure they don't reinfest everything.

Hi Darkmage,

It was through doing the Lesser Keys in Goetia that this dormant curse was brought to the surface. I evoked Flauros for proctection from an ex-boyfriend who was throwing curses at me - nothing as severe as this one though. Lets just say Flauros dealt with him in an unexpected way, but was not powerful enough to defeat this snake thing which flagged up not soon after. This was my first attempt with they keys but this curse is probably something that would maybe need the use of the Necronomicon to deal with, i have no exp there, so i'm may have to go to my parents birthplace in the caribbean and find an obeah practicioner there to nuke this thing. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/Gigakach_02.gif)

Incense doesn't work i've been doing that for years as well as incantations for protection. It is a little too far gone, also this thing knows me it has grown with me so it knows what I know and will cut off most of my attempts at helping myself. It's not dormant now, as the shaman pulled it from its comfort zone and it attacked him (out of fear and its comfort zone - near me), like a dog would when its scared I suppose, so that would be its weak spot. I just don't know how to go about finding someone who could do it again, but i'll try. Thanks for the info (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Hi Darkmage,

It was through doing the Lesser Keys in Goetia that this dormant curse was brought to the surface. I evoked Flauros for proctection from an ex-boyfriend who was throwing curses at me - nothing as severe as this one though. Lets just say Flauros dealt with him in an unexpected way, but was not powerful enough to defeat this snake thing which flagged up not soon after. This was my first attempt with they keys but this curse is probably something that would maybe need the use of the Necronomicon to deal with, i have no exp there, so i'm may have to go to my parents birthplace in the caribbean and find an obeah practicioner there to nuke this thing. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/Gigakach_02.gif)

Incense doesn't work i've been doing that for years as well as incantations for protection. It is a little too far gone, also this thing knows me it has grown with me so it knows what I know and will cut off most of my attempts at helping myself. It's not dormant now, as the shaman pulled it from its comfort zone and it attacked him (out of fear and its comfort zone - near me), like a dog would when its scared I suppose, so that would be its weak spot. I just don't know how to go about finding someone who could do it again, but i'll try. Thanks for the info (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Hmm...sounds like Flauros removed this thing's guards. London is a city of what, 12 million? You can probably find an Obeah practitioner in the city but it may take some searching. But going to the caribbean sounds like a lovely getaway from the cold English winter anyway, so I'd also use the hunt for an Obeah practitioner as an excuse for a nice vacation. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

As for the second point, I just wasn't sure what you were doing already. I've bumped into more than a few 'experienced practioners' that didn't have the first clue about protecting themselves or their space. Those are the times I put my head in my hands and weep for the future. *sigh* I'd rather oversimplify and give a crash course in Magic 101 until I know what someone's doing--or not. Keep searching, there's bound to be someone or something out there who can truly help you.

I could possibly activate a strong Sigil to banish the spirit. Or turn it into another harmless form lol

Hi everyone,

I really need some help and advice with this, I'll try to make it as brief as possible. When I was 3 years old (now 36). A family member put a Obeah curse on me and my mother, In 2007 I had the cursed items removed by a shaman. But it seems that the spirit went into hiding and was affecting me still from the astral plane.

Two nights ago the shaman and some others tried too removed this curse. But it wasn't a curse, what my shaman saw put him in Intensive care for 2 days. As the they were performing the ritual they saw a gigantic snake with two heads and horns, it had 4 legs and 4 arms it had three swords, one in each hand. It threw the shaman 6 feet in the air and bit him 2 times in the back, he barely made it out with his life.

Was the curse originally some sort of egregore that is now too strong or was it a demon that was used? I sense it may be a demon but I am not sure. I dare not even try to look for it on the astral plane. This thing is affecting me, my mother & my brother, I am told it will turn on my son too. Is there any way to get rid of it? Some feedback would be really helpful right now

thanx

The Obeah used to be centered around the worship of snakes ( A Serpent Cult) which in some mythology mentions them actually seeing the serpent in a materialized form but very harmless when encountered. They supposedly tap into the creation power of God and produce the spirits at there will. This reminds me of old spirit creation by the grimores. The person who did it probably was very ignorant of the danger he was creating. When a person creates a entity it has always been known they grow progressively stronger over time. Thats why it was highly stressed among magicians to never ever keep a entity alive. After you create it and its done its use your supposed to destroy or banish it or else it can become too powerful for you too banish. This sounds like some powerful magic from what I'm reading and I'm really thinking of a solution that is easy and unexpected. I was thinking maybe if you know the name of this family member i could try a spell to make the serpent believe you are your family member and your family member is you.

Please excuse my late response but if the problem isn't solved yet then why not call in a archangel.
Michael can whoop on any entity in the known universe lol.

and he's pretty good with snakes :big wink:

this is an old thread, but something came to mind that i didn't notice before - everything was ok until she tried to undo the curse?

my whacked point of view (which can get you killed) is to attempt communication directly with the influence, but that's just me...

Disturbing stuff. I would have thought a shaman could take on any astral entity but this thing actually hospitalized him?

this is an old thread, but something came to mind that i didn't notice before - everything was ok until she tried to undo the curse?

my whacked point of view (which can get you killed) is to attempt communication directly with the influence, but that's just me...

we think alike (IMG:style_emoticons/default/13.gif)

Disturbing stuff. I would have thought a shaman could take on any astral entity but this thing actually hospitalized him?

I've been hospitalized. it happens. in my case it was the result of being cocky and underestimating an entity.


anyway, i wonder how this situation turned out? Personally I don't know of any created entities which could do the sorts of things claimed here. my guess would lean more towards an actual non-human entity (like a "demon" if you like christian terminology/stigma). It would have to possess not only great energetic power, but also great 'know-how' to do the effects being claimed in this thread. which suggests it's quite old, rather than a recently made servitor. Plus the symbolism, snake with two heads, 3 swords, etc. it just doesn't strike me as a look which a person would think up, but a look which embodies underlying symbolism relevant to the entity.

I'm not really a fan of an angelic paradigm, but the basic idea of seeking aid through a benevolent but powerful being, sounds like a good idea to me. Personally, myself, I'd try to communicate with the "demon", and if that went badly I'd try to fight with it myself. or maybe invoke Brimo as a way to channel a big can of whup***. But that is probably reckless of me. For advice I'd definitely go with seeking assistance/protection from a friendlier being. I'd recommend a deity though, rather than an angel. the thing with protection & beings though, is that it tends to work based on having an *actual relationship* with the protective being, not just because you phone them and want something from them. So do bear in mind that you'd basically be asking a big favor of a relative stranger, and make your approach fit that. unless you already *are* on good terms with a deity or powerful protective being... but if that were the case I'm guessing you'd have already taken care of the problem.

This post has been edited by Kath: Nov 3 2009, 10:09 AM

I don't know if you've taken care of this situation yet. But this caught my attention, as I've dealt with darker forces on several occasions, and I wanted to see what you were talking about.

The moment you described it, every entity around me was screaming demon. When I looked at the pictures, I was certain. It gave me the same queasy, dark feeling that most deeply evil demons do.

However, I am not confident that the method I use to banish demons will work for you. Generally my group and I (humans, not entities/angels/ghosts w/e) gather a lot of pure, concentrated energy, (usually into a purified stone, sometimes in one of us) and then...well, I realize this sounds lame, but we blow it up. Very rarely, the strong ones come back. This requires some more extreme measures, (which I would gladly post, if it comes to that) but as of now, we've had no ongoing problems. I doubt this will be of any help to you, because I have never tested this outside my group, but if you've resorted to any recourse, I would encourage this plan of action, as it requires no more than a stone, some intensely serene, pure, faithful thoughts, and belief in something, anything, higher than yourself.