In Need Of A Good Grimoire For A Curse... Options

Hey Sacred Magick how you all been?

Recently faced a trauma that has seen me come across a particularly nasty person and was wondering if anyone knew of any good books out there that would detail how to evoke forces and utilize them effectively in that regard... am a C.M and so am more drawn toward this form of practice just don't have any good books... any further advice would be helpful also, I'm hoping to antagonize someones career... a service I would well pay for if I knew the right people, am I guessing right in that I can expect it to infringe on my advancement as a pathworking C.M? Can I expect negative karma in this regard?

Any advice and information would be appreciated... really at an odd end and in need of some practical magick in place of the swirly self obsessed holier than though type .lol.

Peace
.M.

First; are you able to avoid this person in your everyday life without having to run into him/her? I say this because if I weren't so much of a nice person, since there are few people in the world I agree with, then I would be cursing people right and left. And if it's serious, if you're cornered;
Are you at the level of discipline to be able to shut out any sort of external distraction no matter what it may be? No matter what you may think about the grimoires, the attitude taken in these books is completely necessary. If your mind is is connected with your physical parts in any way, also, if you're eating impure foods, or if you haven't attained to any sort of transcendential thought, and have been rid of blindness, then I wouldn't recommend doing anything of any sort of destructive nature. But if you decide to without any preliminary toil, do it at your own risk.

I think you're familiar with my basic stance on the issue, more than likely. This comes up once in a while.

Anyway, grimoire work involves some stuff of this nature, but really the easiest route is good ole' fashioned low country magic.

To do just about anything without resorting to demons which, frankly, will be so much work for you that you probably won't care anymore by the time you get around to it, you're going to need either a way to get something to them/their person/their office/their home (A car can do as well but, you could get someone killed that way if you're not careful), or get something connected to them. Even a wrapper from something they ate is useable.

Then, no curse is simpler and more direct than a classic root bag/poppet. They're easy to make. The trick to carrying off that sort of magic is in solid belief that the person and the poppet are the same, and your ability to collect your anger and focus it clearly - not just the experiences associated with it, but the anger itself.

A good way is to set and dwell on the issue that ticked you off initially, get good and fired up, and then slowly shed the images, memories, experiences, all the structure supported by the anger, until you just have the anger. It'll burn you up and it will be painful if you do it correctly, psychologically speaking and probably spiritually speaking as well. Black magic stings *shrug*.

You keep this up while you make the poppet. You can make it out of wax, or make a little wire frame, wrap the wires in threads or vines, and then cover those in cloth - bone, muscle, and skin. Sew up whatever bit of them you have into the belly, the chest, and the head. Write/carve the letters AMTh on the forehead. Then soak it in red wine (blood/life). Poof, poppet. You've got to keep the anger going to whole time, you're making a kind of link but it's also a kind of lens. If you're thinking high and mighty purity and white light when you make it, it's not going to cause any harm.

After this, you can do all sorts of things, as long as you do them with true pure anger in your veins. Bury it in feces, urinate on it, desecrate it in whatever way you want.

Black magic is dirty, and you can't be a pansy about it. Don't go after this sort of thing unless you are committed and willing to pay for it. And you do pay for it.

Peace (haha, actually, kind of ironic there.)

I think you're familiar with my basic stance on the issue, more than likely. This comes up once in a while.

Anyway, grimoire work involves some stuff of this nature, but really the easiest route is good ole' fashioned low country magic.

To do just about anything without resorting to demons which, frankly, will be so much work for you that you probably won't care anymore by the time you get around to it, you're going to need either a way to get something to them/their person/their office/their home (A car can do as well but, you could get someone killed that way if you're not careful), or get something connected to them. Even a wrapper from something they ate is useable.

Then, no curse is simpler and more direct than a classic root bag/poppet. They're easy to make. The trick to carrying off that sort of magic is in solid belief that the person and the poppet are the same, and your ability to collect your anger and focus it clearly - not just the experiences associated with it, but the anger itself.

A good way is to set and dwell on the issue that ticked you off initially, get good and fired up, and then slowly shed the images, memories, experiences, all the structure supported by the anger, until you just have the anger. It'll burn you up and it will be painful if you do it correctly, psychologically speaking and probably spiritually speaking as well. Black magic stings *shrug*.

You keep this up while you make the poppet. You can make it out of wax, or make a little wire frame, wrap the wires in threads or vines, and then cover those in cloth - bone, muscle, and skin. Sew up whatever bit of them you have into the belly, the chest, and the head. Write/carve the letters AMTh on the forehead. Then soak it in red wine (blood/life). Poof, poppet. You've got to keep the anger going to whole time, you're making a kind of link but it's also a kind of lens. If you're thinking high and mighty purity and white light when you make it, it's not going to cause any harm.

After this, you can do all sorts of things, as long as you do them with true pure anger in your veins. Bury it in feces, urinate on it, desecrate it in whatever way you want.

Black magic is dirty, and you can't be a pansy about it. Don't go after this sort of thing unless you are committed and willing to pay for it. And you do pay for it.

Peace (haha, actually, kind of ironic there.)

Well! You said it! I didn't, hahaha! I was just giving him a "welllll maybe you shouldn't mess around too much with that kinda stuff, deeemons have a tendency to become addicted to people, they are only fun if you are experienced, and if you aren't, when you are attached to this thing and it starts to fade, you fade with it, because you can't banish it properly, and generally the person becomes obsessed with the demon also, no matter how bitter or abominable it is, it may even seem like its doing GOOD to you when you can first percieve it" Well I supposed he's going to have to feel what I've felt from diving head first into that weirdness! At least I'm not the only one! Unless he decides on another method, of course.

Alright I'll add the white into this thread. Instead of going about a bitter cursing way to to do it, which only ultimately (truly, no dogma) brings you AND that person to misery, you could do something far better to solve the problem - White Magic - on yourself. I would say, by way of mysticism, open your seven Solar Centers, then once you have a good vibration going, get yourself some of that special wine which makes maids merry, and FORSAKE him by its fire. I promise you just a dab of this stuff will churn his stinky recesses.

Sorry, I like to make it hard for people.

By the way, if any of you Adepts see any flaws in my Philosophy, don't hesitate to correct me, I will not get defensive, I promise.

This post has been edited by †§L£ÅŽ£!†: Sep 13 2011, 11:09 PM

Hmmmm... the opposed polarity does have interesting effects, in my experience it nulls the wrongdoing or vibration and in that way reflects on the perpetrator.

This all sounds so neophyte but seriously, I've been all holier than thou, kind, open and fluffy and have been blind to the negative element in those around me in return I've been hit like the ten of swords, coupled with a three of the same suit... that wouldnt bother me so much if it werent for the fact that I'm damn clairvoyant and have had to put up with FEELING said person doing me wrong, how can I explain.... like waking with a headache with someones hand imprinted on your face, rings and all well enough for you to know who hit you... obvious said person has a piece of me, an energetic poppet and is excrementing heavily all over it... was hoping for a set of specific curses to off set the damage, loss of hair, worts, an infection of some kind, understand that demonic entities would be good for this kind of thing... going to have to scowl as though I were one while attacking the poppet, screw up my spirit, may as well borrow the services of one for a short while.... dont have an item from them, as a clairvoyant I can raise a connection I suppose, easy enough... I have a signature actually, although it dosent have much in it, a few warm and happy photos, God bless facebook...

What by way of karma can I expect in return for making a poppet and going through the works? This is really a lesson in walking the line, not being too good, some balance is healthy right? (Moral Justification) How does karma work if I pay someone to do the damage?

This all sounds so neophyte but seriously, I've been all holier than thou, kind, open and fluffy and have been blind to the negative element in those around me in return I've been hit like the ten of swords, coupled with a three of the same suit... that wouldnt bother me so much if it werent for the fact that I'm damn clairvoyant and have had to put up with FEELING said person doing me wrong, how can I explain.... like waking with a headache with someones hand imprinted on your face, rings and all well enough for you to know who hit you... obvious said person has a piece of me, an energetic poppet and is excrementing heavily all over it... was hoping for a set of specific curses to off set the damage, loss of hair, worts, an infection of some kind, understand that demonic entities would be good for this kind of thing... going to have to scowl as though I were one while attacking the poppet, screw up my spirit, may as well borrow the services of one for a short while.... dont have an item from them, as a clairvoyant I can raise a connection I suppose, easy enough... I have a signature actually, although it dosent have much in it, a few warm and happy photos, God bless facebook...

What by way of karma can I expect in return for making a poppet and going through the works? This is really a lesson in walking the line, not being too good, some balance is healthy right? (Moral Justification) How does karma work if I pay someone to do the damage?

Don't call up a spirit for this. It's not so much about the fear of attachment per say, so much as, any spirit that's going to do this sort of thing for you is not going to do it and just leave you feeling righteously avenged. Also you start dealing with divine providence, whether you really deserve vengeance, and that sort of thinking will be used to mess you up.

A photo isn't the best link, but it can do okay, especially if it's someone you have had physical contact with. A signature is really better because it's a unique and personal expression. A bit of hair or fingernail is ideal, and of course it doesn't get better than blood but, well, unless you have an old bandaid or something...

Karmically? In this life you'll feel like crap probably, and remember that revenge doesn't make you feel better, if anything you'll just be more angry and possibly a little unbalanced. And, I wouldn't bother to pay someone for it - for one thing they'll have less success than you will because they'd only have the links that you have but none of the personal contact to back it up with. For another, well, magic is about your power over your life, not someone else's power over it.

In your next life/afterlife/ventures into the astral world though? It'll mark you. Maybe in another life the same thing will happen to you, you'll have nightmares in this life, astral guides that might otherwise have come to you may avoid you instead, any benevolent spiritual forces may require your honest and sincere penitence before working properly for you. Those that live by the sword die by the sword, and yoda wasn't wrong when he said "Once you travel down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny." Once you go that way, it's hard to come back. Doing this kind of magic is not at all different than being a violent person face to face. It's just more clandestine and harder to trace. If you don't feel bad about doing it afterwards, well, then you didn't believe in it enough unless you'd have felt the same about pounding this person physically.

I'm not saying it's wrong, but I am saying it's a choice with consequences like any other choice - and if you want to make that choice then just recognize that it'll cost you and decide whether the cost is worth it or not. You assault someone on the street and you'll probably go to jail for it. Look at it the same way - would it be worth it to spend six months in prison for aggravated assault? Is it an egregious enough insult to you what this person has done, that you'd gladly pay the price to hurt them back?

The best way? The way that will cost you the least? Just say F*** 'em, their choices do not rule your life.

Let me tell you a short story.

I previously worked for a couple of people that I really thought of as friends. I was an independent contractor, and I loved my job with them, I loved my clients, the pay wasn't great but my input and opinions, my guidance and instincts were valued, so I enjoyed being there. One day, I decided I wanted to make the next leap in my life and open my own clinic. Far enough away that I wasn't going to be competition for them, even though I didn't have to do that because my contract with them was a cut-and-paste hack job that wouldn't hold water in court. However, despite that I had a great deal of respect for them so when I made my plans I moved three towns over to look for a location because I felt it wouldn't be in line with my values and personal ethics to open up in their back yard.

I had seen that they could be greedy people, I had seen how they had treated others, but I had always been honest and loyal to them, and they had never given me a reason to believe that they would not treat me in kind. However, everyone I knew told me that I should just go about my business, let my contract expire and then just politely let them know that I was moving on. They told me not to tell them I was planning to open my own clinic afterwards, because they would can me in a second if I did.

However, like I said, these people were my friends and I believed in our relationship. So, when I was certain that my plans were going to be finalized and put into motion I came to them to tell them that I would be doing this in two months - at the end of my contract. These people with whom I had shared mutual trust and loyalty, who I had helped and been helped by, who believed in the same ideals of healing - I thought - that I did, first laughed at me and told me my plan would never work, then became paranoid that I was going to steal my clients from them, and ultimately yelled at me, laughed off my trust in them, and terminated my contract early. Then they systematically cut out the other therapists who knew I was opening my own clinic and who believed I would do well. I was shocked, and hurt, but even if I had known that was the case I would have done the same thing. Because that's just my values, my way of living life, and I don't budge on those things. Honesty, integrity, and loyalty are important to me.

Well, this screwed me up a bit - I had two months of no work, very little money coming in, my clients didn't know where I was although a few of them came and found me, my partner worked for them as well and they changed the locks on him and then claimed that he didn't show up for work one day so he couldn't get unemployment. When he did file, they claimed that he quit because I 'quit'. We lost our home and had to crash with a friend while we got the business started so that we could manage to get into another house for the interim. Even now, we're late on all of our bills but, of course, a little magic helped keep us from drowning and things are improving. Still, six months of hand to mouth, we had to sell stuff, we've got marks on our credit and just barely avoided an eviction judgement which would keep us from renting another place. They knew this would happen because I told them that I needed to be able to work those two months while I transitioned, so that I can continue to have an income and reassign my clients to other therapists. They did it anyway, and laughed when I said I wouldn't be able to pay my bills, eat, put gas in my car, saying "Well, you're sitting on $15k it sounds like, you can live off of that." The money to build my business.

Afterwards, I went home and looked at my various supplies, figuring the best way to bring their lives crashing down around them. I had lead for saturn works, I had bits of hair stuck to my clothes from one of them, I had bits of the business itself I could work against, and of course I could just drop a root bag in their bushes and ruin the business that way. And, I almost did. And I reconsidered several times over the next couple of months. But, I didn't because of what said above. To me, the cost wasn't worth it. And you know what? Later on my clients got calls from them, in their paranoia, wanting to know if I had contacted them. After that call, each of them looked for me, found me, and now they come to my clinic, even though I'm 30 miles away. I was the busiest therapist in the clinic. Now, they're scrambling to recoup the loss of clientele, they have all fresh out of school therapists and no one to teach them like I did. I also ended up hiring one of the best therapists there who left when they kicked me out. Their receptionist left about a month ago to get married and move to italy, but before she did she was updating us periodically, and the entire atmosphere there has gone sour, the clients can feel it, and people are leaving less satisfied, not tipping their therapists, and the therapists are unhappy.

I didn't do anything. I just stuck to my values, and let them play out their messed up drama. The net result, is that their kind of living can't be sustained for too long. Eventually, their own paranoia and anger the audacity of me trying to improve my life and build a future for myself instead of working for them forever, has gradually destroyed their business. They're like roaches, they'll survive i'm sure by swindling some other people, but the way they're going they will struggle forever. Because that's what that kind of life causes.

So is there always justice upon those who wrong us? Sometimes quickly, sometimes not, but the kind of person who acts that way suffers. They destroy their relationships because it isn't just you - if they'll do it to you they'll do it to anyone if it strikes them to do so, and over time they won't have any long lasting relationships and you may have learned this already, but it's those relationships which help you get ahead in life. If I didn't have the kind of strong and trust filled relationships with my clients that I do, if I was the kind of person they are, then I wouldn't have been able to establish and build this business in the time that I've had to do it. It was because I'm not the kind of person that exacts bloody revenge that these people sense a light in me when we meet and connect, and I never have to struggle to create good relationships.

So think about it carefully, and don't just think of the gratification, think of what it will mean for you and who you are, and where you will go in life. You might want to think it can be an isolated incident, but it won't be. It may not ruin your life, but you'll always know that you did it, and at some point you'll be paranoid about someone else doing the same to you - just like these people I dealt with. They became paranoid because they are the type of people who would have done what they were afraid I would do.

peace

Wow... surprises me at times how people can act in such a demonic way toward others and not feel like animals when they do... suppose their attack passed through you and reflected on them, would you say your light had you blind to their darkness?

My problem isnt the incident glad its over, but the connection, need to sever the link. Have intentions to do the abramelin after my time with the GD, any evil filled poppet will likely crop up there and mess me up... sucks being a good guy... have decided to give her 7 days... if in that grand total I still have to deal with her astral mess then its poppet time baby! .lol.

Still, thanks for the advice guys didnt want to be all teen wolf asking for stupid stuff, can be difficult working solo, easy to go astray and fall foul.

Wow... surprises me at times how people can act in such a demonic way toward others and not feel like animals when they do... suppose their attack passed through you and reflected on them, would you say your light had you blind to their darkness?

My problem isnt the incident glad its over, but the connection, need to sever the link. Have intentions to do the abramelin after my time with the GD, any evil filled poppet will likely crop up there and mess me up... sucks being a good guy... have decided to give her 7 days... if in that grand total I still have to deal with her astral mess then its poppet time baby! .lol.

Still, thanks for the advice guys didnt want to be all teen wolf asking for stupid stuff, can be difficult working solo, easy to go astray and fall foul.

Well, I'll admit I wasn't expecting it from them, but I had seen the potential for it. Even if I had known though, I would have done things the same way. In my life, I've actively chosen to believe in a person's potential versus just who they are. I've seen 'bad' people in the right situation be very good people - and I've seen very 'good' people do horrible things as well. However, the times that I've personally been at my best were the times that I had people around me who believed in me and my potential to be a good person and accomplish great things. Don't get me wrong, I believe in myself as well, all the time these days instead of just when others are believing.

But my point is, I don't think my light blinded me to their darkness. I think that whatever is in them that drives them to act the way that they do just wasn't overcome by it. *shrug* Maybe in the long run that won't be the case but I'm no longer connected to them anymore so I just hope they have someone else in their life now, or later on, who will be more successful at demonstrating what it means to act with integrity and compassion.

As to your connection to this other person - what makes you think there is still a connection? You don't have to deal with any astral mess that isn't your personal karma; if you bore no fault in what happened between you, if you feel you acted in the best way that you could have, then all you have to do to break that connection is let it go on your end. Like my former employers, their actions tried to follow me, but I just didn't accept the connection. When my old clients find me and ask me about them, I just shrug and say that I don't really deal with them anymore because I have more important things to do with my life. What they tell me, is that those two are still brewing and worrying and grasping at my old clients to keep their business going. Since I haven't picked up the other end of that potential connection, we're not at war with eachother; they're connected to nothing and they're bleeding their energy out the empty end.

If you could see yourself, and this other person, and the 'connection' between you, in context to everything that it manifests into, what you would see is a series of people and events creating a chain, in which one of you is temporally 'forward' of the other. As one person slides along the axis of time, the other is drawn along behind and encounters the events and people spilling down the connection. I wish I could animate well enough to make a little flash video; think of two beads along a string, a red bead and a blue bead. The red one is in the blue one's future. The connection is the string they are both on. As the red one progresses, they tell lies, spread rumors, make passive aggressive gestures, which make little sticky spots on the string as it passes. Then the blue one following along behind encounters those sticky spots, has trouble with something because of something the red bead did.

But it's a loop. Eventually both beads pass the same spot again. But, if you just hop off onto another string, she's left recycling the same bullshit over and over again. It's not the most elegant allegory, but it's a basically useful imago. Stuff like this is present in the astral world in what we think of as more 'literal' ways - but what is important to us is if and how they actually manifest as experience. THe lower and higher worlds are reciprocal. Sometimes you don't need magic to break a connection, you just need magical understanding of what the connection is.

peace

Yeah, I can dig it... still, you'd expect to be granted some immunity, in your case the trauma was such that you MUST have seen it coming, no? Am wondering what the LBRP is for if it dosent mute negative influences.

Anyway... on part due to your advice I've decided not to put the poppet on the person in question, its come to light that the issues arent on my side and to let it damage my aspirations would be foolish. Chained to a good tree. Confess that part of me wanted to do it out of curiosity as well as an act of revenge (which I'll call justice), suppose that says a lot about my character but yeah... situation averted.

Yeah, I can dig it... still, you'd expect to be granted some immunity, in your case the trauma was such that you MUST have seen it coming, no? Am wondering what the LBRP is for if it dosent mute negative influences.

Ah, well, my thoughts on the LBRP aside, I don't believe the purpose is to avert negative influences so much as, in a certain sense, preserving you from being corrupted by them.

As a for instance, I don't personally practice the LBRP anymore, and haven't for a long time, but I have a daily orison that's not entirely dissimilar in principle. Whether it's the ritual itself or the meditation that it constitutes, the ultimate effect is not that my life is free of difficulty; rather, that I am able to maintain a grounded sense of calm, a tranquil emotional state, a mind of clarity, a decisive attitude, a focused sense of purpose, and an unshakable spiritual direction. My 'LBRP' includes the six faces of the cube of space.

In any case, the purpose of these kinds of daily rituals isn't, I think, to avoid encountering challenges like these, but rather, to allow us to maintain our true Self throughout them - making us therefore impervious to the fallout of those situations, and allowing us the clarity and stability to deal with them in accordance with the correct currents that we wish to embody and follow.

There is no such thing as a 'charmed life', not really, not the way most people think of it. We all encounter challenges. What differentiates the Magician, the Enlightened, those who Know, from the supposed 'everyone else', is that this kind of person is able to maneuver within those challenges to come out ahead and continue on their path rather than being diverted by every difficulty that comes along. This is the essence of living in Action rather than Re-Action.

And, perhaps, drawing to us the influences that enable us to stay on our path, as well.

Good Job.

Peace

There is no such thing as a 'charmed life', not really, not the way most people think of it. We all encounter challenges. What differentiates the Magician, the Enlightened, those who Know, from the supposed 'everyone else', is that this kind of person is able to maneuver within those challenges to come out ahead and continue on their path rather than being diverted by every difficulty that comes along. This is the essence of living in Action rather than Re-Action.

And, perhaps, drawing to us the influences that enable us to stay on our path, as well.

We are all in the vast Pit of Unknowing. It's part of physical life. To the extent that we start to understand the unobvious influences in our life and how they shape us is how much we start to scramble out of that pit. The lessons are rarely easy. Congratulations, Mchawi.

Ooooh people sure know how to test you though, huh? Hey, why not send him photos of me flirting around with other guys a few days after I've ended our a few years long friendship by no more than a text as though the time and effort by way of devotion on his side counts for nothing. Malice. Drew the devil card in a celtic cross spread today... no need to reply to this, am rambling, I think God wants me to go ahead with a curse, like the universe is calling for judgement after some invisible trial and is asking me to be the executioner, such is the temptation .lol.

Ooooh people sure know how to test you though, huh? Hey, why not send him photos of me flirting around with other guys a few days after I've ended our a few years long friendship by no more than a text as though the time and effort by way of devotion on his side counts for nothing. Malice. Drew the devil card in a celtic cross spread today... no need to reply to this, am rambling, I think God wants me to go ahead with a curse, like the universe is calling for judgement after some invisible trial and is asking me to be the executioner, such is the temptation .lol.

YEAH! Alright, well here's what you do, eat about an eighth of Psilocybe Cubensi, crank some molten heavy metal, burn sulphur, storax, and all the bitter herbs in one, then, get your trip going as vivid as possible, until you're just completely obliterated, and call this name, "A'abiriron!! Hagh! Whagh! Whagh! Whagh! Come me in your full on Infernal Glory, show me the madness! Show me the madness! Molasses, abomination, come and feed on my ecstasy, infinite molasses, abomination, show me that madness! Come morbid, come scornful, come malignant and bide unto me. Leviatan, out of the muck, raise, raise, raise, raise, raise, raise, raise, out from the muck, RAISE!" Close your eyes, and when you percieve an endless vast sea of sticky substance (it should be highly malignant). Which in raising Leviathan you should begin to see large and vivid things begin spring out from the stuff, thrusting themselves toward you, and keep raising leviathan until these things become more and more abominable, and begin to quicken faster and becomes more vivid, you may feel like your members are melting into this muck. Having thus raise the ugliest muck-abomination, for instance venom weilding, having 26 piercing eyes, all of which are like that of a toad, scales of red and green, with fangs the size of god-knows-what, howling and roaring like explosions of the sun. Then, having the image imprinted into the mind, feel to your knees and conjure the person you wish to harm, and holler as loud as possible in your mind "RIP THAT SCUM APART! SCUM! SCUM! SCUM! WHAGH! HAGH! HAGH! HAGH! HAGH!" and command the thing, (while pulling your own hair, and if you have nails, relentlessly scratching your own face, biting your toungue, doing whatever to cause pain on youself,) to completely obliterate his image with poison, vapor, madness, sanguine, violence, decay, disease, turning to ashes, again, and again, and again and again and again and again until the trip is over.then in your exhaustion fall over and go to sleep.

This should be done while the Moon is waning and in the sign of Capricorn, for the best results.

The next morning, pray pathetically to God for the entire day that your garments not be forever stained.

Do this at your own risk. Because I still suffer from doing this ridiculous non-Art, it is malignancy that catches up with you, turns itself on you, attaches and sucks. It's very bad, you might even have to suffer for longer than you might expect, too.

This post has been edited by †§L£ÅŽ£!†: Sep 20 2011, 12:58 PM