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A werewolf? I've never come across one of them. What are they like?

I know werewolf...but he doesn't come out of my pants unless its a full moon...

I suppose if one were consider that creatures like vampires and lycans are real, with out much hard proof, they'd also have to consider that leprachauns, banchees, medusa and all other manner of mythic creatures are also real. Personally I just have not seen ANY evidence that supports the notion that the undead rise at night to drink the blood of happless virgins. Or that werewolves are anything other than somebody's interpretation of an encounter with something comperable to a timber wolf in the dead of night during a full moon.

People can choose to believe in what ever they like. However skepticism is good in cases of understanding subjective ideas with no evidence to back them up. Without any skepticism one simply doesn't have a grasp on reallity and could believe pigs fly. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/1238.gif) Or tinker bell is real. And no I'm not clapping my hands.

There are two different types of vampires

Psi- Psi vamps feed off of energy or charka of the world, humans, animals, etc.

Sangi- Feed off of blood to survive. There are phases of being one; first you must be "initiated" by an ancient or immortal. Yes immortal, once you become a vampire by drinking the blood of a vampire you are one. Same goes with immortals, they drain your blood as you drain theirs. It hurts a lot, but there is other ways. Turning half is a different story, the "vampire disease" spreads like aids but doesn’t hurt you like aids dose. The strengths and weakness are when immortal you have teleportation like speed, strength of a train and well you’re immortal. The weaknesses are, weakness to sunlight (any light for that matter hurts your eyes like hell! No joke!) And only immortals can be turned to dust by the classic stabbing them in the heart.


Yeah I know I sound like an idiot. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tomato.gif)

You know, lycanthropic legends can easily stem from berserkers, ulfhednar, leopard-men, and all other sorts of people known for wearing animal skins and entering all sorts of ecstatic frenzies.

This may be true, but I know these things because I myself used to be a vampire. Now I have turned against that and became a hunter.


In the future, please provide something usefull to the topic. An official WARNING has been issued.

-Ashnook (IMG:style_emoticons/default/butcher.gif)

Hang on a minute ... you were a vampire and then became a hunter? What would be the use of hunting something that you say is immortal? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/8.gif) Fact is, if there WERE immortals living amongst us, they would have been discovered by now.

Those 'claiming' to be vampires have exactly the same genetic make up as the rest of us, they have either, in my opinion, got carried away with role playing and actually started ingesting blood (which they CAN survive without incidentally), or in an energy sense either consciously or subconsciously feeds off of others - again they can survive quite nicely without doing this - IF they want to learn to do so. I believe that these types are probably empaths to some degree and know how to manipulate individuals very cleverly into believing what they say.

The reason folk choose to associate themselves with the word vampirism is purely due to the romanticism of the myth, the supposed power and charisma shown on film or in literature, at least that's what I think.

It's a conscious choice, not in my view a compulsion or a condition.

The Vampires disease that someone mentioned? Yes ... it's called hepatitis and is spread amongst those who claim to be blood vamps but just aren't aware of the danger of ingesting other peoples blood.

Well, I'm just sharing what I read on a few sites a good 4 years ago...Last year before my 17th birthday I snuck my way in through older freinds into a "Vampire" club called hidden shadows, and it was disturbing to say the least. People get too carried away with roleplaying.

-Chris.

I find it interesting that a bunch of people who could be accused of not realizing that AD&D is a game accuse others of being too carried away with roleplaying, when the majority of the vampire community is quite grounded in reality.

There are two different types of vampires

Psi- Psi vamps feed off of energy or charka of the world, humans, animals, etc.

Sangi- Feed off of blood to survive. There are phases of being one; first you must be "initiated" by an ancient or immortal. Yes immortal, once you become a vampire by drinking the blood of a vampire you are one. Same goes with immortals, they drain your blood as you drain theirs. It hurts a lot, but there is other ways. Turning half is a different story, the "vampire disease" spreads like aids but doesn’t hurt you like aids dose. The strengths and weakness are when immortal you have teleportation like speed, strength of a train and well you’re immortal. The weaknesses are, weakness to sunlight (any light for that matter hurts your eyes like hell! No joke!) And only immortals can be turned to dust by the classic stabbing them in the heart.


Yeah I know I sound like an idiot. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tomato.gif)

It seems crazy but the hunter is correct on his acclaims. That is exactly how vampires are. Sorry people wouldn't take the time to care if people were immortal they would just ignore it just the way you do. Believe me, the government knows of these beings they just don't think to care.

MODSQUAD - I just checked the IP's and MIko and HunterWhiteWolf are the same person. I am going to ban both user ID's. Anyone else stupid enough to try this trick, take this as a warning! Mediocracy

This post has been edited by mediocracy: Nov 25 2005, 04:49 AM

The Vampires disease that someone mentioned? Yes ... it's called hepatitis and is spread amongst those who claim to be blood vamps but just aren't aware of the danger of ingesting other peoples blood.

Although Miko/HWW is a little bit crazy on the sangs, he's got it right in principle.

The division is psi and sang. Psis feed on energy, sangs on blood. Most sangs are careful enough to avoid diseased donors.

I've yet to see proof of immortality in vampires... but sunlight's a bitch. Depending on the severity of the "curse" it can be anywhere from just the need to wear sunglasses continuously to full-on "sunscreen applied every half-hour and clothing covering as much skin as possible". As to stakes... I imagine anything through anyone's heart is going to be hazardous to their health.

I suppose if one were consider that creatures like vampires and lycans are real, with out much hard proof, they'd also have to consider that leprachauns, banchees, medusa and all other manner of mythic creatures are also real. Personally I just have not seen ANY evidence that supports the notion that the undead rise at night to drink the blood of happless virgins. Or that werewolves are anything other than somebody's interpretation of an encounter with something comperable to a timber wolf in the dead of night during a full moon.

Who says that that's what vampires and werewolves are? I certainly don't say vampires are undead, or require virgin's blood (from the sangs I've been in contact with, they have no real preference). That's specifically why I asked what werewolves are like.

As to a disease which mimics vampirism of myth, SangueDiNapoli - porphyria. It causes skin photosensitivity, retracted gums (and therefore long, fanglike teeth) and hematin is really the only cure. There aren't really any benefits from it though.

However, points to be made against this are as follows. 18th and 19th century literature had vampires occasionally wandering about in the daylight - sunlight destroying them is only a recent invention (like the "weakness to silver" which Hollywood has recently taken on - that's werewolves you idiots!). Similarly, pale skin is not necessarily a vampiric trait - the vampires of the Balkans were actually ruddy in complexion due to their ingestion of blood. Similarly ingesting blood doesn't give any benefits to porphyriacs since the stuff in it that would help doesn't survive digestion.

But one final point. Most cultures had vampire myths. How you killed them varied (the Norse believed that if you nailed their left foot to the ground and force-fed them beer, that killed them... the Romanians believed that a stake paralysed them, allowing you to dismember them and then separate their bits so that they didn't grow back together again... and so on), and sometimes how they acted varied too (in the east, there's such a thing as a "hopping vampire" - because the vampires suffered rigor mortis from not having the positive animating spirit but retaining their negative bestial spirit). The connecting factors were that they drank blood, and had mind-influencing abilities.

I've heard of porphyria, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif). But isn't the thing with porphyria that the people feel "ill" if they don't ingest blood? I don't remember reading of any one on that site feeling ill if not ingesting blood...They treated it more like an intense craving. Madonn', I wish I still had the site , so you could see for yourself, but this was a good 4 years ago, and I barely remember what I did last week (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) .

-Chris.

Sorta. They need certain things that are found in blood... but as I said - it doesn't survive the digestion process.

The vampire/porphyria thing was connected in the 80s or so as a suggestion by some random doctor (there's a link to the arguments against it in the wikipedia article if you check). He made a few errors - like that digesting blood fixes it, and these have moved into popular urban myth (as they do - like lemmings and cliffs... but that's another story). He even suggested that garlic had an adverse affect on porphyriacs, but that's never been proven.

Are vampires for real?

If you define 'for real' to be a group of goths going to clubs, cutting each other with razor blades and licking off the blood or sitting around being moody and saying they feed of emotions then the answer seems to be a resounding YES.

Like most things the answer to this question depends on your reality tunnel.

lol - scepticism and sarcasm make for great ego comforters, but as for learning, they tend to be less useful.

www.sanguinarius.org is a very good site, which not only explains what it's like, but also what sort of magics go along with it, and the effects of a vampire NOT vampirising among many other things.

Temples of blood ,alredy rising high in the air ,worshiped by the masses
oh so many masters and mistresses recive their daily tributes
lives presented freely in exchange for safe despair
Eternal hunger so sweet


Psy vampires are all around ....people are hungry and shall not be denied
-just look at our world

So many dine ,body and blood
-it is normal to drink of other

Fear is the ultimate weapon of control
-just look at our world

We are good if we become "livestock" ,and "bad" if we refuse
-just look at our world

...if we take all this into account .....non-vapires are minority

ps: i just love to write in this fashion (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

lol - scepticism and sarcasm make for great ego comforters, but as for learning, they tend to be less useful.

www.sanguinarius.org is a very good site, which not only explains what it's like, but also what sort of magics go along with it, and the effects of a vampire NOT vampirising among many other things.

Am I meant to take that site seriously as a source of information?
It is obviously maintained by people who are in the vampiric reality tunnel.

does anyone know anything about vampires. i was meditating late at night a few days ago when i sensed a presence in my room i opened my eyes to see a tall man walking out of my door and vanashing. he freaked out both me and my dogs

MODSQUAD - I have merged your question into this existing thread on Vampires - mediocracy

This post has been edited by mediocracy: Nov 28 2005, 03:52 AM

...There's already a topic on Vampires in the Esoteric Discussion forum., and I doubt very much that that was a vampire.

-Chris.

Am I meant to take that site seriously as a source of information?
It is obviously maintained by people who are in the vampiric reality tunnel.

Which would you prefer to do Med - perhaps learn something, or just act superior without even stepping into an area you've not yet touched? Read it, ignore the ads.
However, if you'd rather something hosted by Sacred Magick, there's always the Vampire Codex.

And I agree with Sangue - I doubt that was a vampire.

*shrugs* I've looked into Vampiric claims quite a lot over the years and I'm pretty sure that my opinion reflects Mediocracys view. I don't think I'm superior, but I believe that it's a choice - not a compulsion. I've never seen anything scientific or physical to disprove my belief - there is no documented or recognised condition by which an individual cannot survive by ingesting blood, or taking energy from another individual with or without consent.

The first site referenced just seems like roleplay and the second, Vampire Codex that Mayaparisatya mentioned reads like a fictional book to me. It talks about them being predators and those who they feed from being victims. From those I've spoken to who seem coherent and sane and claim to be vampires - they all talk about willing donors as even they can see that it's wrong and unnecessary to take something without permission. So that somewhat contradicts the Vampire Codex too.

I did point out in my post that this all depends on your personal reality tunnel. If you choose to believe that Vampires are real then you will discover evidence to support that... What the Thinker Thinks, the Prover Proves. People may find it useful to read Prometheus Rising or Cosmic Trigger by Robert Anton Wilson.

Anu, my comment was specifically to do with Med's post, not people generally.

Med, nihilism will get you nowhere even faster than scepticism. You do not want to listen, so why do you try? You forgo point six on your link and instead just dismiss people you already look down upon. It makes learning a pointless endeavour if you follow that path.

How's about I satirise your post, just to make my point clearer:
Am I meant to take this maths textbook seriously as a source of information?
It is obviously written by people who are in the mathematic reality tunnel.
Or perhaps:
Am I meant to take that political treatise seriously as a source of information?
It is obviously written by people who are in the Republican reality tunnel.
Or even:
Am I meant to take your complaints seriously?
It is obviously derived from a person who is in the "reality tunnel" reality tunnel.
And so on. It's an excuse to avoid even looking at something because you already disdain it. Discarding someone's statement because it is what they believe is pointless. Discarding someone's statements because they're outside your knowledge zone is even more pointless.
There's more in heaven and earth, Med, than is dreamt of in your philosophy.

The first site referenced just seems like roleplay and the second, Vampire Codex that Mayaparisatya mentioned reads like a fictional book to me.

The first site is a collection of articles put together by various vampires - hypotheses, helpful information for vampires and so on. The second is... well about as fictional as any of the books of ceremonial magic. They (works on ceremonial magic) mostly read as gibberish to me, because I haven't started from the bottom and learned how that area works. Similarly, since you haven't experienced what it is like to be a vampire, any book to codify the experience and train in the specific abilities attached to that experience will read as gibberish to you.

It talks about them being predators and those who they feed from being victims. From those I've spoken to who seem coherent and sane and claim to be vampires - they all talk about willing donors as even they can see that it's wrong and unnecessary to take something without permission. So that somewhat contradicts the Vampire Codex too.

Even then it's still a predatorial thing - you should try speaking to a donor some time. While I certainly wouldn't call the people I feed from "victims", it's one way of looking at it. House Kephuru is not noted for its... ability to be broadminded, and supposedly this edition of the Codex is looser than the last.

The caste system for instance, has no practical benefits to anyone not in House Kephuru. That's just an easy way they can denote status within their house. Most "freelance" (I guess that's the best term) vampires tend to look at other vampires as individuals rather than searching for "where the others fit in the grand scheme of things".

If you get a chance to talk to your sane vampires, get them onto the topic of their "hunting mode". It might make for an interesting conversation.

If I pointed you towards the Flat Earth Society website would you take it seriously?
From a certain reality tunnel the earth is flat, and you can find as much evidence as you need to support that. It doesn't make it "real" though.

The original question is one that cannot be answered because we can all argue until the cows come home about what exactly "real" means. Just because I do not share your realirt tunnel does not mean I 'look down' on you. I don't share the reality tunnel of a lot of buddhists who believe in reincarnation.

mediocracy has put it well (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ac42.gif)

...dont take this personaly but its realy hard form me ,not to look down on a vampire who can be put to death by a paper-cut ,and sent away by harsh language

...i studyed vampire myths of the world ->and tv vampires exist only on tv

This post has been edited by Wanderer: Nov 29 2005, 06:29 AM

No, he hasn't - and I'll point out why:

If I pointed you towards the Flat Earth Society website would you take it seriously?

1) If they could come up with reasonable arguments that negate (or incorporate) the freely available evidence to the contrary, I'd definitely be interested. Similarly, if they only presented flawed arguments, I'd still be interested since it presents a learning opportunity.
2) Such a comparison does not apply in this situation - lack of historical evidence is not the same as evidence to the contrary (IOW - the fact that you haven't seen something isn't proof that it doesn't happen/exist).
3) Even so, it's still not a matter of "taking it seriously" or not - it's a matter of seeing what they have to say, and analysing its rationale... something your forwent in favour of ridicule.

Just because I do not share your realirt tunnel does not mean I 'look down' on you.

No, the fact that you would not even try to take someone else's "reality tunnel" seriously shows you look down on it.

...i studyed vampire myths of the world ->and tv vampires exist only on tv

I don't believe I've argued against that... but if you start delving into energy working and psionics, then vampires come into their own.

I have a few questions based on the little bit I've read in the Codex:

How is being 'many-born' different from reincarnation?

How is the energy taken in 'changed' or made to 'resonate to a higher level' and whom does this change benifit? I understand this is considered a power but why is it considered a power soley held by psi-vamps? My limited understanding of energy leads me to believe energy is changed by everyone and everything.

Which leads me to my next question: Again, to my limited understanding, energy is everywhere and in all things, why does energy need to specifically be taken from people?

Please know I have no real opinion of psi-vamps because I do not understand, which is why I'm asking questions.

Very good questions.

"Many-born" is much the same thing as reincarnation. The Kheprians believe something along the lines that a vampire will always be a vampire in each incarnation due to a fundamental difference in their spiritual nature, and that some event in the past "cursed" them into that sort of existance.

The change comes from the processing of external raw energy into the vampire's aura. It benefits the vampire... but apart from that I can't say that I know of other beneficiaries... although it can benefit other vampires if you need to "spoon-feed" them I guess.
Yes, everyone changes energy... but psi-vampires are sort of massive whirlpools compared to the normal person's ripples.

And your final question is a good one. It doesn't. Humans just have a reasonable amount, already in a nicely packaged form. Plants and animals tend to have less energy, but it's probably not uncommon to take from them as well. Objects and the air and so on all have energy as well, but it's either too raw (compared to the "normal" energies obtained from humans) or too little or something... hard to describe. No, I should divide that - objects have fairly little and it's inert, air is raw and thin, and earth does have a large store, but accessing it probably requires training.
Just to highlight the point - I take from light as well as people. Light (while ironic, because I do require sunglasses continuously) offers a small but continuous input, which is why I like it.

Thank you for your honest answers. If you don't mind, at least one of your answers brings up another question:

I can understand a fundamental difference in spiritual nature; that actually goes along with some ideas I have in general. As to being "cursed"; do those who feel they have been cursed feel they need to rectify the curse, reverse it, undo it? Also, is there an idea as to who or what cursed them?

Also, have you found there to be a medical reason why your eyes are light sensitive?

Oh, and by 'whirlpools' does they mean they (you) generate more energy?

Okay, I think that's it for now. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Zahagiel~ I had a chance to read your last reply to me before the hooplah, didn't want you to repost unless you want to. I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to answer all my questions. While I have seen many opinions on the subject I haven't had a chance to actually talk to a sane person who considers themself a psy-vamp.

Can you tell I was one of those 'why' kids who drove my poor folks nuts? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

While I have seen many opinions on the subject I haven't had a chance to actually talk to a sane person who considers themself a psy-vamp.

Welp I think this site has several psi-vamps, who, to me, seem sane. Including me.

While I have seen many opinions on the subject I haven't had a chance to actually talk to a sane person who considers themself a psy-vamp.

Welp I think this site has several psi-vamps, who, to me, seem sane. Including me.

I appreciate you letting me know you consider yourself sane.

It has been my experience on another board most of the people who would claim to be a psy-vamp were either young-uns excited by the thoughts of ramance and power or people who, when questioned, never posted again or if they did it was only to berate me for my not taking their powers at their word.

It's refreshing to have actual conversation. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)