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Rae |
Aug 10 2010, 08:15 PM
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QUOTE(Vilhjalmr @ Aug 10 2010, 07:56 PM) (IMG: http://www.omgmod.org/wiki/images/9/95/Odin01.jpg) Fuck yes. Also Xolotl; I have an odd love for Nahua deities. Hmmm...Actually, I'm not familiar with them, or Norse deities either. Sad that so many Gods&Goddesses have disappeared after being over-shadowed by other religions. Oh, and thanks for such a warm welcome. We're a bunch of crazies, eh? (IMG: style_emoticons/default/banana.gif)
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Bran |
Aug 11 2010, 06:53 PM
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I'm not sure yet if I will call out to any gods. I have a very high affinity with the older Egyptian gods, and some of the Celtic gods. If you don't mind me asking, Rae, why Morrigan? I don't mean that in a derogotive way, just curious, she (or all three of her, actually, since she was the Celtic Valkyrie almost) was always one of the Celtic deities that was interesting to me. I like reading the Celtic sagas when the Morrigan would get all upset and destroy stuff and her alter-egos would escort the souls away while she cooled down, haha.
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Rae |
Aug 11 2010, 08:13 PM
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QUOTE(Bran @ Aug 11 2010, 07:53 PM) If you don't mind me asking, Rae, why Morrigan? I don't mean that in a derogotive way, just curious, she (or all three of her, actually, since she was the Celtic Valkyrie almost) was always one of the Celtic deities that was interesting to me.
Honestly, I'm not even sure why. I got my first oracle deck before I even really started to understand what they were for. It was a Celtic deck. When I started looking down the Pagan path, I was already looking into Horus, but I wanted a goddess to connect to. I started noticing crows more, and I may sound a bit crazy, but them seemed a lot bigger to me for some reason. I immediatly thought of Morrigan. I adore her on her own, I actually haven't reached out to the other two yet.Is that a good enough answer? And if you don't mind me asking, why do you have such interest in the Celtic deities?
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Bran |
Aug 11 2010, 08:37 PM
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QUOTE(Rae @ Aug 11 2010, 09:13 PM) Honestly, I'm not even sure why. I got my first oracle deck before I even really started to understand what they were for. It was a Celtic deck. When I started looking down the Pagan path, I was already looking into Horus, but I wanted a goddess to connect to. I started noticing crows more, and I may sound a bit crazy, but them seemed a lot bigger to me for some reason. I immediatly thought of Morrigan. I adore her on her own, I actually haven't reached out to the other two yet.Is that a good enough answer?
And if you don't mind me asking, why do you have such interest in the Celtic deities?
Haha, any answer was good enough, I was just curious. I have studied the histories of both the ancient Egyptian and the Celtic peoples, their cultures, medicines, philosophies, etc. After all that work I knew a lot about their religion and magic as a side effect. I'm Irish, so I've always been drawn to the Irish Celtic deities when it came to my own spirituality, because I knew a lot about them already, and because it seemed closer to home. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Rae |
Aug 12 2010, 06:28 AM
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QUOTE(Bran @ Aug 11 2010, 09:37 PM) Haha, any answer was good enough, I was just curious. I have studied the histories of both the ancient Egyptian and the Celtic peoples, their cultures, medicines, philosophies, etc. After all that work I knew a lot about their religion and magic as a side effect. I'm Irish, so I've always been drawn to the Irish Celtic deities when it came to my own spirituality, because I knew a lot about them already, and because it seemed closer to home. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Lucky Irishmen. Being Canadian, I really don't know much about Native American Spirituality and Christianity just wasn't working for me. Which Egyptian god/desses stick out to you?
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Bran |
Aug 12 2010, 11:48 AM
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QUOTE(Rae @ Aug 12 2010, 07:28 AM) Lucky Irishmen. Being Canadian, I really don't know much about Native American Spirituality and Christianity just wasn't working for me. Which Egyptian god/desses stick out to you?
I really like the Ennead. Atum, Shu, Tefnut, Nut, Geb, Osiris, Isis, Set, and Nephthys. You should read the Pyramid Texts or the Book of the Dead if you're interested. Anubis and Thoth are in there too. I love them.
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Vilhjalmr |
Aug 12 2010, 01:04 PM
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QUOTE(Rae @ Aug 10 2010, 09:15 PM) Hmmm...Actually, I'm not familiar with them, or Norse deities either. Sad that so many Gods&Goddesses have disappeared after being over-shadowed by other religions.
Perhaps you are familiar with Quetzalcohuatl, in passing? My initial attitude toward Aztec religion was first one of fascinated disgust - I would read about how bloodthirsty and vile it was. But when I actually began to seriously study, I realized that many of the concepts resonated with me. The idea of sacrifice - of anything, even and especially your time and devotion - is a powerful one, and surprisingly, perhaps the biggest part of the Nahua religion (it has never been given a name, either by the Aztecs or other cultures, AFAIK; it was such a large part of their daily life they had no word for "religion", or so I read!) is thanks-giving. The deities gave of themselves for mankind, and this was recognized and honored. And of course, the Vikings speak for themselves. DIE IN BATTLE! ODIN WAITS FOR THEE! (IMG: style_emoticons/default/lol_2.gif) That said, I don't actually follow any religion. Dyed-in-the-wool materialistic atheist here. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) QUOTE Oh, and thanks for such a warm welcome. We're a bunch of crazies, eh? (IMG: style_emoticons/default/banana.gif) You don't know the half of it! This post has been edited by Vilhjalmr: Aug 12 2010, 01:06 PM
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Rae |
Aug 12 2010, 01:29 PM
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QUOTE(Vilhjalmr @ Aug 12 2010, 02:04 PM) Perhaps you are familiar with Quetzalcohuatl, in passing? My initial attitude toward Aztec religion was first one of fascinated disgust - I would read about how bloodthirsty and vile it was. But when I actually began to seriously study, I realized that many of the concepts resonated with me. The idea of sacrifice - of anything, even and especially your time and devotion - is a powerful one, and surprisingly, perhaps the biggest part of the Nahua religion (it has never been given a name, either by the Aztecs or other cultures, AFAIK; it was such a large part of their daily life they had no word for "religion", or so I read!) is thanks-giving. The deities gave of themselves for mankind, and this was recognized and honored. And of course, the Vikings speak for themselves. DIE IN BATTLE! ODIN WAITS FOR THEE! (IMG: style_emoticons/default/lol_2.gif) I have heard the name. I have a book on spirits/deities by Judika Illes. Aztec has never really stuck out to me, not sure why. Glad though that you found interest in them. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) How many deities are there in the Pantheon(if I could even call them that)? Isn't there a game they played there too, involving a large (rubber?) ball of some sort? Can't remember where I heard it, but I just remember it sounding painful. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/black eye.gif) QUOTE That said, I don't actually follow any religion. Dyed-in-the-wool materialistic atheist here. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) You don't know the half of it! Very nice. Oh yeah, it's no wonder why air security and border-crossings are so tight now days. They want to make sure we're not supposed to be in our straightjackets instead of heading out of country.
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Rae |
Aug 12 2010, 01:39 PM
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QUOTE(Bran @ Aug 12 2010, 12:48 PM) I really like the Ennead. Atum, Shu, Tefnut, Nut, Geb, Osiris, Isis, Set, and Nephthys. You should read the Pyramid Texts or the Book of the Dead if you're interested. Anubis and Thoth are in there too. I love them.
Just name them all, why don't you? (IMG: style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Not interested in Hathor, Horus, or Baset? In Egyptian astology, I'm born under Osiris. What about you, if you know? I think I've seen the Book of the Dead, but I'm not sure. I'll keep an eye out. Thanks.
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Bran |
Aug 12 2010, 01:42 PM
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QUOTE(Rae @ Aug 12 2010, 02:39 PM) Just name them all, why don't you? (IMG: style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Not interested in Hathor, Horus, or Baset? In Egyptian astology, I'm born under Osiris. What about you, if you know? I think I've seen the Book of the Dead, but I'm not sure. I'll keep an eye out. Thanks. http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/pyt/index.htm - pyramid texts; http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/ebod/index.htm - Book of the Dead; http://www.nemo.nu/ibisportal/0egyptintro/1egypt/index.htm - 115 egyptian deities and their attributes. My linking isn't working right you'll have to copy and paste, sorry, lol. ;P This post has been edited by Bran: Aug 12 2010, 01:43 PM
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Bran |
Aug 12 2010, 02:00 PM
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QUOTE(Rae @ Aug 12 2010, 02:53 PM) Eh...That's a lot of readingI'll check up on it later. That's a lot of god/desses. How many of them do you think are maybe too similar or 'avatars' of another?
There's probably quite a bit of syncretism going on there. I know the older ones were the ones that lasted the longest. Isis, Osiris, Set, Anubis, Thoth, those were extremely old deities whose myths just evolved over time and more and more deities were added and worshiped only in certain areas. A lot of those deities would be like area deities. If you lived in a certain nome you'd have your own gods as well as the more major ones. Egypt lasted from before recorded history all the way in to the rise of Christianity in the 300s a.d., so their religion went through numerous changes and evolutions. Osiris was one of the gods listed in the list of the first Kings of Egypt (pre-dynastic to get technical), and there's debate that he may have actually been a real person that later became deified after his death, but since it was before they started recording their own history in writing, no one can be sure.
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Rae |
Aug 12 2010, 02:05 PM
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QUOTE(Bran @ Aug 12 2010, 02:54 PM) I don't know about that, haha. I'll need to check in to that, I know using their calendar I was born in the month Mekhir on the 21st, which is Dec 5th in our crazy calendar, lol.
Just checked it, and you're Osiris too! Two sides to your personality, fiery but fragile, often indecisive. Colors: male: yellow, female: green Compatible Signs: Isis, Thoth Dates: Mar 1 - Mar 10, Nov 27 - Dec 18 Role: God of the afterlife Appearance: A green-skinned man wrapped up like a mummy, wearing the Atef crown and holding a crook and flail Sacred animals: bull I'm also a bit interested in Kwan Yin as well, though the lunar Calendar confuses me some. Some of the gods are probably local, because if they weren't, every single thing on Earth would have a deity, just Egyptian too. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Bran |
Aug 12 2010, 02:07 PM
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QUOTE(Rae @ Aug 12 2010, 03:05 PM) Just checked it, and you're Osiris too! Two sides to your personality, fiery but fragile, often indecisive. Colors: male: yellow, female: green Compatible Signs: Isis, Thoth Dates: Mar 1 - Mar 10, Nov 27 - Dec 18 Role: God of the afterlife Appearance: A green-skinned man wrapped up like a mummy, wearing the Atef crown and holding a crook and flail Sacred animals: bull I'm also a bit interested in Kwan Yin as well, though the lunar Calendar confuses me some. Some of the gods are probably local, because if they weren't, every single thing on Earth would have a deity, just Egyptian too. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Thank you for that. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) So does that make you a Sagittarius like me in the other one?
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Vilhjalmr |
Aug 12 2010, 08:34 PM
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QUOTE(Rae @ Aug 12 2010, 02:29 PM) How many deities are there in the Pantheon(if I could even call them that)?
A hundred or more, at least! But many were local deities, or local aspects of major deities. There are about two dozen major, near-universal Nahua god and goddesses, I'd say. Tezcatlipoca (night and sorcery), Tlaloc (rain and water), and Huitzilopochtli (the sun, the Nahua themselves, and war) are probably the three most important. Xipe Totec (crops, fertility) and Quetzalcohuatl are also important. QUOTE Isn't there a game they played there too, involving a large (rubber?) ball of some sort? Can't remember where I heard it, but I just remember it sounding painful. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/black eye.gif) They did, and apparently the ball was very heavy! It's called "the Mesoamerican ball-game", because it was played in almost every culture there. This post has been edited by Vilhjalmr: Aug 12 2010, 08:34 PM
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Rae |
Aug 12 2010, 09:09 PM
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QUOTE(Vilhjalmr @ Aug 12 2010, 09:34 PM) A hundred or more, at least! But many were local deities, or local aspects of major deities. There are about two dozen major, near-universal Nahua god and goddesses, I'd say. Tezcatlipoca (night and sorcery), Tlaloc (rain and water), and Huitzilopochtli (the sun, the Nahua themselves, and war) are probably the three most important. Xipe Totec (crops, fertility) and Quetzalcohuatl are also important. They did, and apparently the ball was very heavy! It's called "the Mesoamerican ball-game", because it was played in almost every culture there.
You have to wonder, how did so many deities come to existance? Imagine getting hit with that ball, eh? Oww..... What was the game about again? it's been years since I heard about it, surprised I still remember. Oh, and Bran, no worries.
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Bran |
Aug 12 2010, 09:53 PM
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QUOTE(Rae @ Aug 12 2010, 10:09 PM) You have to wonder, how did so many deities come to existance?
Imagine getting hit with that ball, eh? Oww..... What was the game about again? it's been years since I heard about it, surprised I still remember. Oh, and Bran, no worries.
I can't remember what it's called, because I can never pronounce that stuff, but basically there's one hoop in the middle of the ball court and each team had to get the ball in the hoop using only their hips and feet. It's a lot like soccer, but one goal, and the losing team's captain got sacrificed to the gods. http://cdn.travelmuse.com/docs/artwork/columns/off-beat/coba/off-beat-coba-mayan-ball-court-full.jpg There's a picture of one of the ball courts, if you look close at the right side, almost in the middle you can see the hoop.
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Bran |
Aug 12 2010, 10:02 PM
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QUOTE(Vilhjalmr @ Aug 12 2010, 09:34 PM) A hundred or more, at least! But many were local deities, or local aspects of major deities. There are about two dozen major, near-universal Nahua god and goddesses, I'd say. Tezcatlipoca (night and sorcery), Tlaloc (rain and water), and Huitzilopochtli (the sun, the Nahua themselves, and war) are probably the three most important. Xipe Totec (crops, fertility) and Quetzalcohuatl are also important. They did, and apparently the ball was very heavy! It's called "the Mesoamerican ball-game", because it was played in almost every culture there.
To keep this on the topic of deities, Sacred texts has some of the hymns to some of the gods/esses you mentioned here. http://www.sacred-texts.com/nam/aztec/rva/index.htm I think they're beautiful.
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Bran |
Aug 12 2010, 10:12 PM
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QUOTE(Rae @ Aug 12 2010, 11:10 PM) Bran, first off, you like links, don't you?
I remember now! Wasn't it in a kid's movie, Colorado or something like that? Still, using your hip then getting sacrificed? Nice, I hope you just loved the god.
Lol, I have this quirk where I feel like I'm not getting my point across unless I can show a picture or something, haha. And yeah, but for most of them, it was probably an honor to save your entire race by becoming a sacrifice and joining your gods. Of course there were thousands of prisoners who were sacrificed that probably didn't feel the same way, haha. P.S. It's not showing me my sent messages, so I can't tell if you got what I said last or not. /shrug. About Viracocha? This post has been edited by Bran: Aug 12 2010, 10:15 PM
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Rae |
Aug 12 2010, 10:19 PM
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QUOTE(Bran @ Aug 12 2010, 11:12 PM) Lol, I have this quirk where I feel like I'm not getting my point across unless I can show a picture or something, haha. And yeah, but for most of them, it was probably an honor to save your entire race by becoming a sacrifice and joining your gods. Of course there were thousands of prisoners who were sacrificed that probably didn't feel the same way, haha. P.S. It's not showing me my sent messages, so I can't tell if you got what I said last or not. /shrug. About Viracocha?
Just read about him. Funny, it sounds like the bible's Noah's ark stuff, but these people had no idea about it. They were very advanced. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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