Help Please: Looking For A Simple Step By Step Approch To Learn Evocation Safely, I want to learn the art of evocation in a safer, simple but progressi Options

HI,

I am a newbie to magik expect some psi works. I am very interested in getting skilled in evocation. I would like to learn to summon positive creatures for good things... I had gone through many books and sites and found that all are not simple. I am in east and things available in west wont be available here and also its hard to find a much better private place. I would prefer the way which doesn't have much rituals and is safe to do. I read in these forms that a person had summoned an archangel (http://www.sacred-magick.org/index.php?showtopic=6183) safer without the circle or so. Drawing a circle is ok, but the most important thing is - how we can know that how much we are progressing in learning and how we can aware that the entity have summoned. I have read a few books about evocation too. So could any one show me a path which is safe, and easy to learn without other ritual stuffs please.

This post has been edited by prajith: Sep 27 2008, 01:56 PM

What you're looking for doesn't exist. No magick is "safe" because it alters reality. Whether this alteration occurs within the mind or outside of the body is something people don't agree on, and also perception of the "spirit" and other entities is something people will disagree on for days or weeks on end (it's in the mind, it's "real", it's incorporeal, it's another "plane" of existence, etc.). In the end magick causes us to experience reality in a manner that differs from the status quo's perception of it, so there can be no "safe" way to do it.

The only shortcuts are the ones we can take once we've become experienced enough with certain aspects of magick to alter the framework of whatever it is that we do... Now, that's not to say that some rites aren't more perilous than others, or that there aren't types of ceremonies or rituals that typically give more positive outcomes than others. But that's a different story.

Jumping straight into ritual evocation is a bad idea - not only because you might not have the degree of sensitivity or "skill" needed to actually perceive who or what you've conjured but also because it's more taxing mentally and physically. Stick to the basics, learn to crawl and then step up to invocation. You'll find yourself running, so to speak, in no time.

I had gone through many books and sites and found that all are not simple. I am in east and things available in west wont be available here and also its hard to find a much better private place.

I wonder where precisely are you located?

I am in the east too and in a very restrictive country and have not found getting any of the things mentioned in most books on evocation (Modern, that is) difficult. It isn't hard at all if you are a working adult and willing to spend the time to search. Especially these days where most things could be got off the internet.

The only exception to this is if you are going the traditional route, which sound like the exact opposite of what you are willing to do.

This post has been edited by Remared: Sep 28 2008, 08:23 AM

Given my own incredible lack of experience, I probably shouldn't be answering this myself, but for some reason I felt moved to. I also apologise if this sounds woefully arrogant; it's more a summary of what I've read here that has been written by others who actually do have some idea of what they're talking about. It wasn't intended to imply that I know what I'm talking about at all. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bigwink.gif)

I would prefer the way which doesn't have much rituals and is safe to do.

From what little I've seen, evocation without ritual is a bad idea. The different things seem to fulfill different purposes; people use the LBRP to banish, and the MP/QC to apparently center and configure their body to be able to handle large amounts of energy at a time. The circle basically seems to serve the same purpose that a cage does for scuba divers when they go down into water that is known to be infested with sharks; it prevents the sharks from getting in and attacking them.

I cannot emphasise enough that from everything I have read, evocation is possibly the single most dangerous type of activity that an individual can engage in, depending on the nature of the entities being summoned. It can involve spirits which are capable of killing people; I've read some stories of how things have gone badly wrong. Personally, I tend to view it like mountain climbing. A professional mountaineer isn't going to do anything without a harness, ropes, a pickaxe, spikes to drive into a rock face to create hand and foot holds if he needs them, oxygen in case he needs that, etc. It isn't cowardice for him to take those things, either, because if he doesn't, he could die whether he is brave or not. I had some bad experiences even just with a Ouija board as a teenager; I learned some lessons.

I've had people say to me on here that with Kali as the deity I focus on, I shouldn't be afraid of anything, but the thing is, it isn't actually fear as such...but rather, a respect for the level of genuine risk involved. I received the impression fairly early on that I could only consistently expect protection or help for as long as I was engaging in conscious self-responsibility.

What that means is, if in the process of taking appropriate precautions, I was also attacked in an unforeseen manner and got in over my head, I could expect help in defending myself...but that if I ended up being attacked or otherwise getting into trouble as a result of doing something which I knew was deliberately reckless or foolhardy, I'd very likely either be on my own, or would need to ask someone else for assistance. I accepted that, and it isn't an evil thing...quite the opposite...it's the proverbial tough love...to encourage me to learn to stand on my own two feet and be sensible about what I do.

I haven't done any really formal evocation yet; I might at some point, but I'm not going to do it until I make very sure that:-

a) I have the background I need, ritualistically and also in terms of preparing myself to handle it, and
b) I have a very concrete reason for doing it. Trying to do something just to see what happens is asking for massive trouble.

I read in these forms that a person had summoned an archangel (http://www.sacred-magick.org/index.php?showtopic=6183) safer without the circle or so.

Yes, that was me...and that was about the only deliberate act of evocation I've performed yet. (There has been some other mediumistic stuff, but that was uncontrolled; as in, things came to me without me calling them, so I don't beat myself up for that)

In that particular instance, not only was I lucky, but I figured that I could chance it specifically because of the nature of the particular entity I was calling. I still berated myself somewhat for not using a circle afterwards. The archangels I consider safe, but they're one of the only groups I've read about that I would consider so. For just about anyone else, I'd definitely want the shark cage, and I wouldn't even consider the Goetics at this point in my development at all.

My encounter with Raphael isn't really what I'd consider a desirable example to be followed, in any aspect other than three:-

a) The fact that it was motivated by genuine need, and not simply a desire for thrillseeking/random experimentation.
b) The fact that I tried to be as respectful as possible when addressing him.
c) It demonstrates how not being prepared in advance is a bad thing. Raphael, despite being an angel, quite reasonably asked for a fee in exchange for his service, and he caught me in a bad situation due to not having anything for him at the time. I thus had to appeal to said angelic nature in order to get out of that situation. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/oops.gif)

So in closing, if I could offer you any advice at all, it would be firstly to observe the above two points, and secondly to do your homework first...that is what I myself intend on doing. If you're going to call a specific entity, most people here that I've seen recommend doing advance research on said entity first, to answer the following questions:-

a) What correspondences does it have?

In Bardon's Evocation, he writes that if you're calling a Venusian planetary intelligence, as one example, you're going to want to "impregnate" (the word he used) your space with incense/colours that match the correspondences of Venus, in order to create an environment that the entity will be comfortable in.

Think of it this way; when astronauts went to the Moon, they had to take space suits because there wasn't a breathable atmosphere there for them. So using incense/the appropriate colours is the equivalent of terraforming; pressurising an artifical environment and flooding it with oxygen so that the alien entity (yes, they are alien from our perspective) you're summoning will be comfortable while it spends time with you. Bardon suggested that a comfortable spirit is a happy spirit; one which is more likely to give you what you want, and less likely to try and do unpleasant things to you.

b) What offering(s) does it like?

Nobody works for free; this is just as true in the corporeal world usually as the acorporeal one. In the example with Raphael, he caught me in a bad situation because I was unprepared in terms of having anything for him. That was a mistake. If you can, find out what the spirit(s) in question likes in exchange for what it will do for you, (souls are obviously a no-no. ;-)) and as Darkmage once said, be prepared to give it to them.

I've tried starting off with the Qabbalistic Cross on an intermittent basis; the reason why I haven't done it every day however is because I found my dream activity fairly markedly changed on nights after I'd done it, and I tend to prefer peaceful sleep.

If I ever do end up doing anything formal, I will probably try and plan it a week or two in advance, and do the QC/MP consistently for that week, as well as looking up a good vegan diet and going on that for that period as well. I'm semi-vegetarian right now, but I'm definitely not vegan, and I'm not fanatical about it usually, either. I'm celibate as much by circumstance as by choice right now as well, so that isn't an issue for me, but I've read on here that abstinence for a week or so can be beneficial for operations with certain entities as well.

People generally recommend the LBRP before and after something as well, and I'd probably also try and ward as strongly as I could, and maybe use the Rose/Solar Cross as well.

A fellow poster on here whose attitude I relate to, and who has implied having considerably more practical experience than myself, is Mr. Curi. You might want to look up some of his posts, where he talks about precaution and the reason why it is beneficial. Bym perhaps doesn't take quite as stringent a stance on that as Mr. Curi does, but he still does very much advise caution to people and an appropriate level of attention to detail.

People might call me a coward, but as far as I'm concerned, (especially with such things as the Goetia) it's better to be safe than sorry.

This post has been edited by Petrus: Sep 28 2008, 11:38 AM

THank you Petrus, Thanks for spending your time for me. Your are correctly on the points...

Jumping straight into ritual evocation is a bad idea - not only because you might not have the degree of sensitivity or "skill" needed to actually perceive who or what you've conjured but also because it's more taxing mentally and physically. Stick to the basics, learn to crawl and then step up to invocation. You'll find yourself running, so to speak, in no time.

Understood. Will you please let me show a path or a way from where i can start learning, progress step by step and much importantly be able to observe the progress... I would like to learn from basic. But i wish to cut short the things that might not be essential for reaching a higher state to do Evocations. I believe that the skills like astral sense, grounding etc is important for summoning....

Thanks in advance...

Understood. Will you please let me show a path or a way from where i can start learning, progress step by step and much importantly be able to observe the progress... I would like to learn from basic. But i wish to cut short the things that might not be essential for reaching a higher state to do Evocations. I believe that the skills like astral sense, grounding etc is important for summoning....

As I wrote, I'm planning on doing the QC/LBRP for a few months, and then maybe move on to the MP after that. http://www.home.earthlink.net/~xristos/Gol...n/rituals00.htm.

From what I've been reading, the LBRP is something which you'll likely end up using a lot before/after an evocation to banish things anywayz, but it apparently also has the effect of attuning you to be better able to do things. The QC which is part of that seems to have that effect as well. As I wrote, although in a full LBRP you apparently do the QC twice, on days when I've only done it once, I've noticed that my level of dream recall increased radically, to the point where it caused me to back off a bit. ;-)

I've also done some reading about the MP, including what people (and Regardie himself) have said about it being dangerous to do if you haven't done the LBRP enough first, in terms of a risk of overloading your system. When thinking of that, I suddenly had a humorous mental image of one of the final scenes from the Australian film Young Einstein, where the eponymous character connects his guitar to a nuclear reactor to drain its' energy, in order to avert an explosion.

"Don't worry, Mary! (His girlfriend) They're only electrons!" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/prop.gif)

This post has been edited by Petrus: Sep 28 2008, 02:03 PM

Get a Grimoire. Get all the necessary items. Read it. Learn it. Practice it until you get the results you desire. I recommend starting with the sixth and seventh book so moses as the instructions are simple and easy to do in certian parts of that Grimoire. It does not rquire a lot of items. making the seals however can be time consuming. Wish you all the luck-HHG

Get a Grimoire. Get all the necessary items. Read it. Learn it. Practice it until you get the results you desire. I recommend starting with the sixth and seventh book so moses as the instructions are simple and easy to do in certian parts of that Grimoire. It does not rquire a lot of items. making the seals however can be time consuming. Wish you all the luck-HHG

HHG ,Could you point me to a source where the seals are recognizable please?

All the books I have seen are quite blurred regarding the seals, looking in most cases no better than bad photocopies.

HHG ,Could you point me to a source where the seals are recognizable please?

All the books I have seen are quite blurred regarding the seals, looking in most cases no better than bad photocopies.

I own the Peterson edition. I do not have it readily available this evening but I will post back to you what pages I am going to work with. I have made half the circle and one of the seals. I love the simplicity of much of this Grimoire and it leaves you a lot of room to experiment. Know of some success stories with it as well from trusted sources.

Starting on page 59 of the Peterson addition is The Seventh Book of Moses translated by Rabbi Chaleb from the Weimer Bible

This is a very easy section to work with and I have heard of very good results from it. I have yet to use it however as I am busy with other Grimoire work at the moment. Sorry it took so long to get back to you I had unexpected circumstances arise. Hope this helps. -HHG

Ive never been able to evoke an archangel. they are to high and mighty for me to like. Goetics work really well for me. The fear adds to the power of evocation. it puts you in an alert state with high awaerness even higher psychic awairness.

If you are not caught up with commiting a sin etc. they are more like old Gods being half human and animal like the egyptian or hinu Gods they represent a more natural primordial power. actually many of them are actually pagan gods that were demonized by the Christians.

If you look at it from a Christian belief it will never work for you sorry. there is too much mental baggadge to shed etc it would be very hard.

from a pagan perspective it is comming in contact with diety. even if the concept of diety is strange to the modern world it is in built in us as part of our human heritage. In this case it is much easier to work with goetia and you would take so much more from it,

Maybe you are best of masterinng the enochain style of evocation. John Dee was a devout Catholic so it might blend well with your own style.