Newbie Question, i just started using this spellbook... Options

i have few questions ...

1) can i use more than 1 rune ritual during same night?

2) i must wait 3 days since my last ritual before i can start another?

3) after the ritual my rune becomes energized what do i do with it now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)) , i carry it with me ?

4) i did ZIKU summoning ritual today , on an A4 paper , after that i rolled the paper 6 times till` got small, is this good?


thanx for taking your time reading this... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/book.gif)

i have few questions ...

1) can i use more than 1 rune ritual during same night?

2) i must wait 3 days since my last ritual before i can start another?

3) after the ritual my rune becomes energized what do i do with it now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)) , i carry it with me ?

4) i did ZIKU summoning ritual today , on an A4 paper , after that i rolled the paper 6 times till` got small, is this good?
thanx for taking your time reading this... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/book.gif)

nvm i answered myself all of those questions ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/i_triangle.gif)

If this is your first experience with the spirits of the Necronomicon and the 50 Names of Marduk, be careful with Ziku. He is irritated to no end by people who summon him for frivolous or self-serving ends and repeated attempts to contact him if he does nothing to help you would not be advisable. I've worked extensively with this spirit and can safely say his powers are VERY potent. If you call upon him for aid once and nothing happens over a week or two, you will be tempted to call him a second time. By all means, do so carefully. If you call him a second time and still nothing happens you may want to consider another method for attaining financial help. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Don't call him a third time unless it's for another working and he's already helped you once. He is one of the most-called spirits in the Necronomicon and, I repeat, many people call upon him for help with frivolous goals in mind. He does not appreciate this. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sculacciata.gif)

Otherwise, happy invoking and welcome to the Necronomicon. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clapping.gif)

Agreed with everything said about Ziku, he's tempermental. Also, three days between each casting? I cast for three days straight, wait one, then cast for another three. Have fun and try to anger anything. consequences aren't fun.

And can be fatal.

And can be fatal.

Any magickal act can be fatal... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mf_bookread.gif) for that matter taking a shower can be fatal if you don't use liquid soap and have an unhealthy BMI; the Necronomicon makes no claim to safety (although the "Spellbook" may contradict this) and shouldn't. Nothing that involves experiencing reality in a manner not prescribed by the status quo can be described as safe, and this element of risk can be affected - made worse - by local culture and customs.

What about offending your watcher?it says it will kill you! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/Gigakach_02.gif)

What about offending your watcher?it says it will kill you! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/Gigakach_02.gif)

It states that if you misuse the Watcher - the guidelines for which are stated clearly - the Watcher may turn against you. However a close reading of the text also shows that the author did things which he describes as "unlawful" to the Watcher but reports that his Watcher is still with him, has not "devoured" him, but instead is unresponsive rather than destroying him. What this means is uncertain. Careful examination will show, however, that the Watcher is a rather personal experience and varies. It's open to interpretation.

I too have broken some of the "rules" for the Watcher, and yet have never been destroyed. I never use a circle with the Watcher. From the very first Calling of him I eschewed a circle in an attempt to command greater respect from and authority over the Watcher. It has worked. Of the many blinds and misnomers in the text I think the ones dealing with the unknown force called the Watcher / Bandar are the most likely to be passed over, for the supposed consequences of not observing the seriousness of its rites to a fault are dire indeed.

The Watcher is only violent in nature if 1. we make it so, 2. the operator is of a violent nature himself/herself, 3. the operator is in danger. Acts of mischief are usually ways the entity has of attempting to communicate with the operator, but these are usually minor things. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

For an in-depth look at some of the research I've done into the true nature of the Watcher, visit this post on a forum operated by the Disciples of Enki.

This post has been edited by bym: Sep 14 2008, 09:56 AM

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/oops.gif) Didn't realize my last post was in violation of forum rules (it's been a while since I read over them (IMG:style_emoticons/default/13.gif))

In lieu of a link to another forum I decided to simply post here some of the information which was in the article I'd linked to, which I originally authored anyway. It's a post in regard to The Watcher.

After months of kicking around one idea after another as to why the term "Bandar" was not forthcoming in any Sumerian lexicon/dictionary and finally making some dim connection I began the search anew with the fact in mind that there are many mistranslations in the Simon Necronomicon. Whether intentional or otherwise, they've hindered my attempts to create definitive translations of some parts of the grimoire (especially the Incantations of the Gates and the Conjuration of the Watcher).

Right there in front of me, after searching anew with a bit of creative thinking, was this:

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banda (STANCHION) (12x: ED IIIb, Ur III, Old Babylonian): wr. ban3-da; banda5; banda4 "stanchion, support"

This particular set of stylus strokes was also found under banda5/uru9, which you can see for yourself at OB Diri Nippur, Seg.9, 15. The word "banda" itself is suggestive, but given the sign names "uru" on the end also - "Bandauru" - seems to confirm Simon's claim that the text was received in garbled format to begin with, having been translated into archaic Greek from an archaic form of another language (presumably Arabic).

That the previous translator knew nothing of the meaning behind most of the words must also be assumed, as in this case the term "Bandar" as we know it seems to fit in more than one way when we apply some creative thinking to the terms "banda" and "Bandauru". Quite generally speaking the definitions found in the ePSD for these words are "Stanchion", "Support", and "Sagacity" depending on their use. The figurative meaning of "Support" would here be obvious (though the Sumerians obviously intended it in the context of housing and maintaining cattle - which is quite amusing!), as this egregore/Watcher's job is to 'support' us during ritual. But what of "stanchion" and "sagacity"?

"Stanchion" is explained presumably as coming from the Middle English stanchon, from Old French estanchon, probably from estance, act of standing upright, prop, from estans, present participle of ester, to stand, from Latin stāre (source: American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language). For "Sagacity" (and from the same dictionary) we get "the quality of being discerning, sound in judgment, and farsighted; wisdom", originating in the French sagacité, from Old French sagacite, from Latin sagācitās meaning "quickness of perception". So here the threefold meaning resounds with what we know of The Watcher from experience.

On another note the word "banda" is also said to have meant "fierceness, wildness". This also fits the general characteristics of The Watcher pretty well.

It's at first amazing that a simple backstudy on the word allowing for mistranslation/mistransliteration would yield such interesting results - and then it's very interesting to consider that, the Watcher's job being to watch us like cattle, its opinion of us at first must be very low indeed. This is a telling sign of just how central our sense of humanity is to Simon's system - and to some of the entities conjured therein. With only 2 distinct forms of this sign attested, the provenance of the other form bearing the same general definition is uncertain, its manner of writing being thus:

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Perhaps I'm in err and don't understand the specifics of this word just yet, but these are the same two strokes found on the end of "Banda" before. Standing here alone but still meaning the same thing (albeit years after the original attestation) is puzzling.

The Akkadian takšīru is said to share the same meaning as the Ur III of our banda and ban-DA-uru. At last one of the ghosts in the machine has finally been spotted, and I'm glad to be able to share the possibility with you all.