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post Mar 21 2011, 03:15 PM
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I am looking for books that detail the aspects and practice of Enochian magic without the influence of the Order of the Golden Dawn or Aleister Crowley. Is there a title anyone could recommend?

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post Mar 22 2011, 01:07 AM
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All of the ones that are mentioned are good, plus

Practical Angel Magic by Skinner and Rankine (it's about deciphering the names from the Great Table only)

Athena's enochian grimoire is very good, highly recommended.

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I think "John Dee's Five Books of Mystery" by Joseph Peterson might also be helpful, though I haven't read it.



Most definitely this. There's so much left out on the manual type of books that you can find from the original source material. Also, Casaubon's "A True and Faithful Relation" is good source material. A bit more difficult to read than the Five Books of Mystery.

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post Mar 29 2011, 07:47 AM
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QUOTE(ComaOfLoss @ Mar 22 2011, 09:07 AM) *

All of the ones that are mentioned are good, plus

Practical Angel Magic by Skinner and Rankine (it's about deciphering the names from the Great Table only)

Athena's enochian grimoire is very good, highly recommended.
Most definitely this. There's so much left out on the manual type of books that you can find from the original source material. Also, Casaubon's "A True and Faithful Relation" is good source material. A bit more difficult to read than the Five Books of Mystery.


Really? I had read somewhere that the 'true and faithful relation' was an attempt to show Dr. Dee as being influenced by infernal spirits, rather than being in contact with celestial ones.

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Really? I had read somewhere that the 'true and faithful relation' was an attempt to show Dr. Dee as being influenced by infernal spirits, rather than being in contact with celestial ones.


It's true that Casaubon had such an agenda, but it contains unedited Dee's diary notes from the spirit conversations and thus is along with the Five Books the only actual source material for enochian. Well, apart from getting the original MS from the British Museum that is. (Which they'll be happy to send you copies of if you pay a fee).

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It's true that Casaubon had such an agenda, but it contains unedited Dee's diary notes from the spirit conversations and thus is along with the Five Books the only actual source material for enochian. Well, apart from getting the original MS from the British Museum that is. (Which they'll be happy to send you copies of if you pay a fee).


Interesting! Is there material in the Casaubon book that is not present in the Five Books, and that you would describe as essential for an understanding of the Enochian system?

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Interesting! Is there material in the Casaubon book that is not present in the Five Books, and that you would describe as essential for an understanding of the Enochian system?


I'd say getting James's and DuQuettes books will get you very far as instructions for actual practice. "Enochian World of Aleister Crowley" is a good read as well. Reading the diaries will give you a better "feel" of the system.

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