How Do You See? Options

I was curious as to how members here see things such as auras and other things that the normal person does not see. Like me i noticed that i see sylphs really easy when i asked few of my family and friends they said they had no clue they had never seen anything like that. I also can see auras somewhat ok every now and then when im just spaced out i admit im not the best at seeing them as i have not practiced that much. So how do you see? I have always found it intriguing to here how others view the world. I also have something with my eyes have had it my whole life i have very good vision but at any time at will i can make everything blurry but not like i cannot see it's almost like it disperses light. and makes everything closer but like even a little red dot looks like a fire work of light. No one else i have ever talked to can do this. Not sure exactly what it even is i sometimes do it whenever i get nerveous seems to calm me down. But nevertheless getting of topic so how do others here see the world around you?

Normally I don't work by seeing energy or people's auras. I work by feeling energy. Occasionally I will begin seeing energy but it isn't something I can do at will or consistently. It generally seems to occur when I'm at another level of consciousness. Probably I happen to reach the particular level of consciousness that enables me to see energy rather like tuning on a particular radio station.

I know people who can see auras easily and consistently, while I can feel auras easily and consistently. I also work sometimes by hearing energy, the tones and volume and clarity. Generally you are good at one but not the others, I tend to be a tactile kinaesthetic person so it seems natural that I work easiest at feeling energy.

Seeing things like sylphs is another sort of phenomena. That would maybe lie more in the shamanic end of things.

Normally I don't work by seeing energy or people's auras. I work by feeling energy. Occasionally I will begin seeing energy but it isn't something I can do at will or consistently. It generally seems to occur when I'm at another level of consciousness. Probably I happen to reach the particular level of consciousness that enables me to see energy rather like tuning on a particular radio station.

I know people who can see auras easily and consistently, while I can feel auras easily and consistently. I also work sometimes by hearing energy, the tones and volume and clarity. Generally you are good at one but not the others, I tend to be a tactile kinaesthetic person so it seems natural that I work easiest at feeling energy.

Seeing things like sylphs is another sort of phenomena. That would maybe lie more in the shamanic end of things.

I experience energy in a similar manner, for me there is no visual component. I perceive texture, heat and cold, and you could say vibration. With my work I sometimes also perceive a kind of structural element as well, tactile but in a 3-dimensional awareness of 'shape' rather than the way one feels a single 'plane' of texture against the skin. I have smelled energies as well.

It's like beating a dead horse at this point, but my take on it has for a long time been that the part of your senses that perceives subtle energy is independent of the senses all together - seeing, hearing, smelling, touching, and tasting energy all amount to sensory analogs employed by this sense in order to communicate information within the scope of our common experiential 'parlance'. It is possible to perceive energy without these analogous representations, but there is no specific vocabulary describing it, to my knowledge. We can say, "looks like..." and "smells like..." because these are common experiences and are present in our language. There really ought to be better vocabulary for it (chinese chi kung practitioners might actually have something like that, I don't know for sure, but the chinese ideograms are meant to convey complex associative information, which seems just abstract enough to convey experiences of that nature). But for that to be the case, there has to be more of a discussion about it, and more of a common experience. Right now we are mostly all tied up in our five physical senses. The perception of energy with it's own sense organ, however, is faster and more accurate and less prone to subjective 'smudging' of the information.

The thing with the eyes is a minute flexion of the very fine eye muscles. use a webcam to film your eyes as you do this and you will see what I mean - the pupils shift and there is a slight vibration of the eye. Every muscle in your body is capable of being influenced directly by your will, but most people either don't understand the vocabulary for some of the actions, or simply have never considered trying to have an influence - many possibly aren't even aware there are muscles involved. If you engage these muscles for too long at a sitting they will spasm and cause a migraine, so be careful with that. Otherwise, the action you are doing with them is included in a series of eye exercises practiced in some forms of yoga. It is quite advanced, but I think that is not because of it's difficulty so much as the difficulty in showing someone how to do it. Supposedly these exercises can both improve and maintain eyesight throughout life.

peace

It is possible to perceive energy without these analogous representations, but there is no specific vocabulary describing it, to my knowledge. We can say, "looks like..." and "smells like..." because these are common experiences and are present in our language. There really ought to be better vocabulary for it (chinese chi kung practitioners might actually have something like that, I don't know for sure, but the chinese ideograms are meant to convey complex associative information, which seems just abstract enough to convey experiences of that nature).

The closest I have ever come to seeing an aura is to notice vague "shadowy currents" around some people. Sometimes I will feel a change in myself when I interact with someone and that will tip me off but I have not per se felt energy like Goibniu does. If it is something I have been exposed to enough i will simply be aware of it and what it is.

Not so sure about chigong proper, but in alchemy there exists a sort of language for articulating non-physical experiences but it deals mostly with the body as far as I know. The teacher has a student do an exercise and the student feels something and the teacher says that is such and such. The density of energy, where the energy is going and what it is doing all get piled on to of each other. This makes some of the prettiest and impenetrable descriptions. Sometimes an energy or location will have more than one name depending on the context further complicating maters. The Mysterious female, Mud Ball cavity and Pure Mercury can mean the same or different things depending on context.

The bagua are also used to describe energy but they require a very detailed knowledge of I-ching and related symbolism.
Both systems require that you have felt that energy do that particular thing before you can appreciate it.

It might not be too important to focus on the way you experience energy - or subtle reality in general. Instead focusing in awareness of them. Unless seeing auras or discerning sylphs is impotent step to your goals.

I also have something with my eyes have had it my whole life i have very good vision but at any time at will i can make everything blurry but not like i cannot see it's almost like it disperses light. and makes everything closer but like even a little red dot looks like a fire work of light.

Aside from the looking closer part, it sounds very close to something I did years ago to focus on the energy I was working with. Its like you bring the physical world slightly out of focus and bring the subtle world into sharper focus. It was helpful in that I could work with energy more directly but superimpose a visualization if the energy and my awareness of it ever became confused. If I remember correctly I also be came very aware of myself when I did this.

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Sometimes an energy or location will have more than one name depending on the context further complicating maters. The Mysterious female, Mud Ball cavity and Pure Mercury can mean the same or different things depending on context.

The bagua are also used to describe energy but they require a very detailed knowledge of I-ching and related symbolism.
Both systems require that you have felt that energy do that particular thing before you can appreciate it.

It might not be too impotent to focus on the way you experience energy - or subtle reality in general. Instead focusing in awareness of them. Unless seeing auras or discerning sylphs is impotent step to your goals.

I'm curious to see the chinese names written down in characters - I suspect there could be a clue to why those names are called as they are. I can't for the life of me remember where I read the article, but I read something a little while ago discussing the origins of chinese written language which discussed the most basic strokes and their philosophical combinations which lead to the thousands of ideograms currently in use. It was a fascinating read which indicated that although there are many dialects of the chinese spoken language, the ideograms are recognized universally and are constructed in such a way that for a chinese native (who understands the philosophy of chinese culture) puzzling out the abstract meaning of a symbol is possible even if it is entirely new to the individual. Thus chinese writing has transcended their spoken language and bridged history, remaining essentially unchanged for thousands of years even though the spoken language has changed as any spoken language does.

The bagua are something I have been putting off for a long time, you recommended some good books on working with them in another thread, perhaps I will explore them sooner than later. Interestingly it seems I recall that there are 8 primary kinds of strokes involved in writing all chinese characters, and have wondered about a philosophical connection between each kind of stroke and the meaning of the eight trigrams.

Did you meant 'important' instead of 'impotent' - both words seems to fit but imply different contextual meaning. I'll assume you meant important.

But I agree - the way you experience it is less important than the awareness itself whatever form it takes. It is difficult to work with something that you cannot perceive, though not impossible; I believe it will not become an integrated skill until that awareness is awakened.

peace

You might want to check out this ebook on the eight trigrams Dreamer. http://www.avaxhome.ws/ebooks/martial_arts/1848190654.html

I know what you mean by smelling energy. Sometimes you sense an energy signature in a way that seems similar to taste or smell. But how we sense energy doesn't matter as much as that we do sense it and that we have a system to associate a particular sensation with a particular condition. For instance when I feel a cool or cold spot in someone's energy I associate it with an old emotional trauma. But some of the others I know describe old traumas as being a sense of tension or tingling or some other description, but it is something that doesn't quite belong. It is an irregularity to what is normal.

I have seen people's auras very clearly at times but it isn't something that I can do at will. It has always occurred while I was doing therapeutic treatment. When I'm treating clients I often drift from one level of consciousness to another, particularly while I'm doing craniosacral therapy. When I've seen the aura in a altered state of consciousness it looks like a neon light in different colours with a dominant colour overall. It's very cool looking but if you can't tap into this on command it isn't very useful professionally. Generally the best I can do is something like fatherjhon, seeing a shadowy outline with perhaps a single dominant colour.

Hey guys sorry i havent got to respond been on vacation so haven't really been around a computer. Very interesting discussion going on though.

The thing with the eyes is a minute flexion of the very fine eye muscles. use a webcam to film your eyes as you do this and you will see what I mean - the pupils shift and there is a slight vibration of the eye. Every muscle in your body is capable of being influenced directly by your will, but most people either don't understand the vocabulary for some of the actions, or simply have never considered trying to have an influence - many possibly aren't even aware there are muscles involved. If you engage these muscles for too long at a sitting they will spasm and cause a migraine, so be careful with that. Otherwise, the action you are doing with them is included in a series of eye exercises practiced in some forms of yoga. It is quite advanced, but I think that is not because of it's difficulty so much as the difficulty in showing someone how to do it. Supposedly these exercises can both improve and maintain eyesight throughout life.

I never really thought about the eyes and there muscles contracting i always thought it was interesting to notice how they work just when transitioning light to dark. Maybe that is the reason for my headaches sometimes whenever i try to focus on seeing auras i find that my eyes strain when i try but when i actually just relax and breathe i can see them better. I would be interested in finding out some of these exercises if you happen to have some information on them.

Aside from the looking closer part, it sounds very close to something I did years ago to focus on the energy I was working with. Its like you bring the physical world slightly out of focus and bring the subtle world into sharper focus. It was helpful in that I could work with energy more directly but superimpose a visualization if the energy and my awareness of it ever became confused. If I remember correctly I also be came very aware of myself when I did this.

Yes that is exactly how it feels it's almost like whenever i do this that i feel like i am higher state whenever i look around. Although it is hard for me to maintain it for long periods of time without causing me to have a headache at other times i can hold it for longer periods of 10 minutes or longer without any strain on my eyes. Whenever i look at someone i can see an outline around them of there body i have tried to see auras this way but i find it particularly hard as my eyes want to unfocus and go back to the normal state. I feel almost like everything slows down whenever i do this. No that i think about it this is probably why i would do it in school to feel less nervous.

Normally I don't work by seeing energy or people's auras. I work by feeling energy. Occasionally I will begin seeing energy but it isn't something I can do at will or consistently. It generally seems to occur when I'm at another level of consciousness. Probably I happen to reach the particular level of consciousness that enables me to see energy rather like tuning on a particular radio station.

I can't that i have felt there energy directly i have felt liked i picked up on peoples emotions around me. If someone is angry or sad or whatever i almost feel like i know exactly what they are experiencing. I have had people i only talked to once or twice just break down and tell me everything that is bothering them and just unload. I always feel good though after as if i have helped someone but even before they say anything is wrong i can feel how they actually feel. Kinda hard to explain now that i think about it but i like that people will trust me enough to just talk to me like so. Anyone else ever have this happen?

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I think I would side mostly with the posters above that often I don't see auras rather I know, through the use of feeling and intuition. In a way I prefer this method instead of viewing the aura because I can learn more quickly the way that person might affect me. However, I think teaching oneself the second sight is definitely a skill worth acquiring. The only time I actually train or make a concerted effort in seeing auras is when I astrally project. As for seeing sylphs and other natural energies I've never a huge amount of success but the technique I've been employing lately, which I have confidence in is pretty simple. I sit down, preferably outdoors, relax and just let my eyes gaze unfocused. I've found that the more my eyes want to grasp something the quicker that energy signature or pattern fades from sight. Also Lujan Matos has an excellent book on gazing technique, awakening the third eye, it has good stuff.

Also in regards to language, one thing that I've come to appreciate, which was pointed out by Draja Mickaharic in one of his books is that the english language is almost entirely void of words that have mystical connotations. Of the words that do exist a great number of them were basically heisted from other languages. For instance in english, we have a word like spirit, however just think about how many synonyms of spirit with deeper, spiritual context there would be say in the Indian culture.

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I've found that the more my eyes want to grasp something the quicker that energy signature or pattern fades from sight

This is what i had trouble with whenever i actually realized that i was seeing sylphs. I would try to focus on them and my vision would go back to normal. But once i would just breathe and just unfocus i would be able to see them a lot more clearly. I will have to check out the book always nice to read some different techniques.

This is what i had trouble with whenever i actually realized that i was seeing sylphs. I would try to focus on them and my vision would go back to normal. But once i would just breathe and just unfocus i would be able to see them a lot more clearly. I will have to check out the book always nice to read some different techniques.

I have known a handful of people who seemed to be able to reliably see energies and spirits, and they described it as seeing with their eyes "sort of" - as though there is an input laid over the visual input that is put there by another sense. Most of them stop seeing this overlay when they close their eyes, but one lady I met at a festival saw energies even with her eyes closed.

I have found that when I focus on trying to see what I am sensing otherwise, I will tend to lose touch with it and my accuracy will suffer significantly. Eventually, I stopped trying to see it at all, but I think relaxing and allowing the information to arrive in whatever way it does is probably the key. After all, this is the way most of our senses function.

A simple exercise that helped me when I first made this connection for myself, was to learn what it feels like to hone in on a particular sense, and apply that to this other sense that was perceiving energy. You can sit and listen to a song, for instance, and attempt to hone in on just the base line, just the lead guitar, the backup singers, etc., and try to isolate one particular element of the music (I like music, but you can do the same kind of thing with a painting, I imagine, isolating colors or textures). The 'muscle' in your brain that does this is the same for every sense it seems, and it applies to the energetic sense as well. Identifying the energetic sense in isolation is tough because we all have it but take it for granted the way we do any other sense - it's always present among the various influxes of stimulus we are receiving every hour of the day. In a sensory deprivation chamber it might stand out more, but I haven't spent a lot of time working with them and when i last did I wasn't looking for it.

It's the sense that tells you more about your environment than you can observe with your other senses.

Having identified the sense and the muscle that 'focuses' senses, you can develop a greater depth of information gathering ability through this sense than you will get if you are restricted to a sensory analog experience. For instance, because we see in three dimensions, the visual analog to the energy sense is presented to us in 3-dimensional format. However, energy can be sensed beyond just spatial dimensions, into temporal and potential dimensions (4th and 5th, but I kind of feel the numbering of them gets to be arbitrary as we keep changing our minds about how many dimensions there are). There is no visual analog for these, though clairvoyance is an ability that can offer symbolic representations that can be accurate but requires a learning curve.

peace

I have noticed that whenever i am higher up that i can see them a lot better. For example whenever i was on an air plane i was looking out just trying to unfocus to see what i could see and it was amazing the whole sky seemed to be just full of them whenever i would try to actually look closer they would all disappear and normal vision would come back. It is really awesome sight i have always been able to see them but never really thought anything of it until i got interested one day and started doing some research and sure enough sylphs where what i was seeing.

I am not able to see them with my eyes closed although i bet that is something else. I have been trying to hone in on different instruments in every song i listen to know (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) . That was a very cool technique i never thought about. I am more for music myself trying this with a painting could be beneficial to my seeing auras just attuning to colors perhaps, I will have to give this a try. I always find whenever im outside in the summer and everything is in bloom ill concentrate on different colors of flowers and things and how they stand out against the background of the lush green. Just to try and improve my sensitivity for colors as i have been really trying to see energies of people things animals plants etc.

I have heard of people being able to see into higher dimensions but i always think of them as planes and that we can only perceive certain levels or dimensions. As most are not attuned to be able to "see" into higher dimensions beyond 5th or 6th. I would assume the higher ones are those that are meant more for angelic beings and the like perhaps i am wrong as i myself am not superb at being able to transcend my consciousness. It would be very amazing to get to those levels but that won't be anytime soon for me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/06.gif) .