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I wouldn't say it's a mistake, as long as you consider that the 'one book' may be the one book for you and not for everyone.
Do consider the source of the work itself - the author was not, it would appear, a pagan for instance. Religions are also full of the suggestion that every other religion is false, and that the followers of those other religions will find themselves judged at the end of times.
The power in a system like that one is simply a matter of disciplines and convictions. If you are willing and able to commit, then I'm certain it will deliver what it promises. The basic problem is that this isn't because it is the 'one true book', but that none the less its requirement is that you develop the faith and conviction that this is so. Two hundred years ago that would have been easier.
In any case, it is a rather exclusive text, there are others which simply refer to 'the magician' as the operator, but Abramelin's books specifically tell the reader that if you're going to work this book you need to put everything else down. Consider how you feel about the book, and if you really sense that you have made a powerful connection with the work in this way, then go for it! Just remember that the power we gain through conviction, we can lose when we lose conviction.
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QUOTE(Vagrant Dreamer @ Sep 3 2011, 09:50 AM) ![*](http://www.sacred-magick.org/style_images/grimoire1142433417/post_snapback.gif) I wouldn't say it's a mistake, as long as you consider that the 'one book' may be the one book for you and not for everyone.
Do consider the source of the work itself - the author was not, it would appear, a pagan for instance. Religions are also full of the suggestion that every other religion is false, and that the followers of those other religions will find themselves judged at the end of times.
The power in a system like that one is simply a matter of disciplines and convictions. If you are willing and able to commit, then I'm certain it will deliver what it promises. The basic problem is that this isn't because it is the 'one true book', but that none the less its requirement is that you develop the faith and conviction that this is so. Two hundred years ago that would have been easier.
In any case, it is a rather exclusive text, there are others which simply refer to 'the magician' as the operator, but Abramelin's books specifically tell the reader that if you're going to work this book you need to put everything else down. Consider how you feel about the book, and if you really sense that you have made a powerful connection with the work in this way, then go for it! Just remember that the power we gain through conviction, we can lose when we lose conviction.
peace
That was certainly a good and complete explanation. Thank you very much, and I'll meditate on the book and find what my decision will be. I'm currently reading at the moment: Kybalion Modern Magick 12 lessons in the high magickal arts Chicken Kabbala I just wanna make sure whatever I do is nothing that in the end is a wrong path, the book of Abramelin the way it was written shows that basically every other magic tradition was wrong and satanic... sighs. But then again and like you just told me, it's an old book written with a very religious point of view. This post has been edited by Harkadenn: Sep 4 2011, 10:33 AM
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QUOTE(Harkadenn @ Sep 4 2011, 12:31 PM) ![*](http://www.sacred-magick.org/style_images/grimoire1142433417/post_snapback.gif) That was certainly a good and complete explanation.
Thank you very much, and I'll meditate on the book and find what my decision will be.
I'm currently reading at the moment:
Kybalion Modern Magick 12 lessons in the high magickal arts Chicken Kabbala
I just wanna make sure whatever I do is nothing that in the end is a wrong path, the book of Abramelin the way it was written shows that basically every other magic tradition was wrong and satanic... sighs. But then again and like you just told me, it's an old book written with a very religious point of view.
Of those three books, Kybalion is probably of the most utility in the long run. Personally I wouldn't bother with 12 lessons, but, if you need a generic kind of frame work for ritual work in general, it's got some use there. Chicken Kabbala I haven't read but it's a familiar scheme and probably deals with practical kabbala? The right or wrong path is a matter of internal direction. No book is going to put you on the right path, or the wrong path, so I wouldn't worry about that. peace
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I couldn't comment on this earlier but I recently read that book, the new translation. I was disappointing it was so exclusive. Two years of basically prayer and old testament devotion probably isn't a very attractive deal for most people these days, I know it isn't for me. I think though, that it doesn't have to be as rigid as Abramelin makes the process out to be. It seems like his procedure involves basically:
1) authentically good intentions 2) devotion to a higher being 3) two years of special devotion 4) some abstinence or separation with "worldly" pleasures
For a Jewish guy in the 1300s, he seems pretty open minded about the who magic thing, but I suppose it would have fit in well with what I understand to be a culture of superstition with mystic teachings anyway. I don't think it would be a major exaggeration to believe that his methods would be much more secular if he had believed the same thing but had been raised in the 20th-21st centuries. His practice basically boils down to working with an angel, and getting the angels attention by being focused for two years.
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QUOTE(Vagrant Dreamer @ Jan 30 2013, 02:19 AM) ![*](http://www.sacred-magick.org/style_images/grimoire1142433417/post_snapback.gif) Expect nothing, or you will get caught up in the future and not pay attention to the present. Just do the practice diligently, do it because you enjoy it, do it because you believe in it. Don't wait for results, don't wait for it to happen.
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Good morning everyone. Forgive me for speaking, making a strictly personal thought. I believe that when we read these ancient texts, and especially the grimori, we must also identify himself, the thought of the time in which it was written. This will allow, first to understand, that no ancient text such as the Bible, will come to us, perfectly intact in its concepts, but that each manuense, who rewrote the text, have also made conceptual changes, according to their I think. It is also important to see the text, in the context in which it was written, then beliefs, religion, and the degree of human evolutionary time. In the writings of Abramil, is the predominant conception of the supernatural, which fully describes, as irrefutable concept of sacrifice and removal of man's desires, in order to strive for maximum purification. The times are very long, this is because the adept, will reach the maximum belief in what they want to achieve, and what it evokes for you to help him in his goals. In order to reach such a state of conviction must abnegare himself and strictly stick to what needs to be done, without any distraction. In this way, when it is ready to operate, and will operate, will get what you are prepared. That's because anything is possible if you truly believe in doi us. All this is expressed in a totalitarian, as if the truth was that, and everything else just falzitā ideological. Even this way of presenting serves to make the adept, depending on his views. Who wrote these texts communicator certainly was a great time, as well as being very intelligent person. But I am convinced that these texts had its own weight only for those times where superstitions and beliefs, lived in ideological and religious speculation. MI hope that today, the evolution of man differs much from that, considered by Abramil. So I think, to go beyond these texts, though fascinating and interesting. Otherwise there would be no evolution of man to ONE.
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