So You Think You're Special., You sure? Options

I believe, or at least I hope, that i have a reputation here for being pretty patient in general, and being a decent fellow who rarely if ever loses his temper over stuff. I rarely have a reason - after all it's just a forum for all that it represents to me, and hopefully to others here as well; in the end how could I take anything here personally? I'd like to maintain that, and towards that end let me preface this just a bit.

I'm not angry. If anything, I'm amused, perhaps even amused at my own irritation - like when you see something that really gets under your skin, but is funny at the same time, and even funnier when you really lay into it. So, it's all in good humor, and I will continue to maintain an open 'door' policy to anyone who thinks they need help with a werewolf stalker, a thousand year old demon, an ancient evil mage from a past life, or aliens who are exacting a bloody price for the secrets they teach you while you sleep. That said...

...Stop it. Just stop it. It's as simple as that. You all know who you are. I'm tempted to pin this so you'll all see it. If you came here to find out how to best the black magician (who is a year older than you, 17) attacking you during math class, or here to learn the magic words that will give you control over the girl of your dreams, or how to enchant a sword to strike someone down without leaving a wound, or how to uncover your past life memories from when you were a grand high magus of the seventh circle of the super secret occult powers that were-are-and-will-be, press the back button, and go somewhere else. If you absolutely must post about your drama somewhere, go to occult forums. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/evil.gif)

Now, despite the fact that each and every one of you - save those that are actually clinically psychotic, in which case maybe you just don't know better - knows that you're just fantasizing and trying to get us to get involved with it, you are all none-the-less wondering, "Well how do you know? Maybe I am in an eternal conflict with a black witch/mage/sorcerer/werewolf/demon/warlock/darkelf/insert-evil-here! Maybe I am a werewolf and I'm trying to cope with the inherent conflict in my life! Maybe my best friend really can conjure fireballs and won't tell me how!"

I'll tell you how. I was you. I was a crazy teen. Like many of you, I had a broken family, I didn't get the attention I wanted, I had a hard life and wanted an escape, and so I fantasized. Like you, I got my hands on a book 'about magicK' and met a couple of other preteens who were into magicK as well, and before you knew it we were having disco parties on the astral plane and discussing the adventures we had in our past lives. I had a friend who was a werewolf, who insisted that spending the night on a full moon was too dangerous, a friend who was a vampire, who insisted that vampires being unable to endure sunlight was a myth (they were however light sensitive, which is why she wore gaudy black sunglasses everywhere she went, inside or out). And me? Well I was the scion of an ancient order of protectors who were reincarnated over and over into the same role in order to safeguard the very consciousness of humanity. No no, I couldn't possibly get into the details, our lives are very secret, and anyone could be an enemy and NOT EVEN KNOW IT. Including you, my parents, my teachers, and anyone who suggested otherwise.

Like you, my parents didn't pay enough attention, and when they did it was mostly to disapprove of my choice of interests. Like you, all I had mostly were cheap books off the 'occult section' shelves at barnes and noble. Like you my friends reinforced my fantasies by pretending to believe in them as long as i pretended to believe in theirs. Unlike you, I didn't have a forum like this. Unlike you, I didn't stumble into a group of serious, mature occultists who could slap the sense into me. Instead, I had to just grow out of it. Let me tell you something, when you don't have a handful of mature adults who can just forgive you your senseless drama and say "Look, you know your faking it, just let it go and we can move forward, and I won't judge you for it," getting over that crap can take a long time, and be a painful process. Oh I know, I know very well. It becomes painful to let it go. After all, this is who you are, according to your own design. This is literally the freedom to be who you want to be, regardless that you have overshadowed who you really are completely.

Those of you who've been here long enough know this isn't the first time I've had to rant like this. But, we get a few dozen new members every week and the Gods know, we get a regular stream of ridiculous posts in kind. So it can afford to be said again.

So, to those of you just getting here, drop it at the door. I'm going to be a lot more frank and a lot less patient about that from now on. Because I realized, when I thought about it for a while, that patience on that matter wouldn't have done me any good. If I'd had the right person come and slap me around a little, with no patience for my teenage angsty BS, who knows where I'd be now. As it is, I have seen, and felt, and been witness to, fantastic things that make my old teenage fantasies pale and withered in comparison. Because they were real, and I earned them, and they taught me something, made me more whole, rather than simply covering up the incomplete me that I was unsatisfied with. And I was impatient when I started, just like you are now, and I wanted the short path. But the short path turned out to be the long path in disguise.

To those of you who have already spread your angsty drama, yours is a more difficult bit. Now there's no guarantee that those of you that have already posted this nonsense will read this particular post - but if you do: just say it here and now - "I know that was BS, but I'm ready to let that stuff go, because I want something real." I can't speak for everyone here. But as for me, I will not hold it against you, I will not boot you off the forum and I won't let the other mods/admins boot you either - as for me, you get a clean slate. As for others, well, who knows. I'm known to be particularly patient.

There is also a chance you were redirected here from whatever BS post you made. If I don't hear from you - and I'll seek admin approval for this - I'll boot you myself. You're gonna have to learn the long and hard way. Because this is a forum for discussion, exchange, and learning, of experience, theory, belief, and interest, based on the real substance of human curiosity and need for growth. Not a place for you to find faceless people to join you in your narcissistic fantasy brigade. I'm tired of seeing trash fill up the pages of this forum, because this is a respectable place for honest inquiry.

peace

EDIT: PS I'm using Vagrants Post to add this PS...I support his assessment(s) and wish to Thank him for a nicely worded statement. Not wanting to 'mar' his post with another 'reply' I piggybacked (forgive me Vagrant). PAY ATTENTION!
-Bym, Admin

esoterica:
My 'Jungian' reference was not aimed at vampires rather it was aimed at delusional people who might associate the vampire archetype with themselves through the neurosis of said disorder.

Well,for me,I dont believe I am special in any sense,I am a normal man and i am not ashamed of it.
I am not an experst in anything,nor will i ever be,on my last hour i will remain ignorant of many things,and think to my self (i will probably need an infinite life times to grasp a drop from the sea of wisdom and knowledge.
Now we all know the rule that says (energy always follow thoughts)thoughts have energy,I takes one thought for a man to have an erection,If you can control your breathing,blood presure,heart beat using thought,then its quite possible to control circumstances and physical objects using thoughts or intense concentration,for that reason i believe that people fantasy are not useless,Its belief and constant thought that gives these fantasy power.

I believe in vampires (psychic vampires,who absorb your vital energy and leave you tired and confused) many people had some encounters with these vampires,If you feel drained,tired after meeting someone,they are psychic vampires.


Peace and love.

Not to be a b**** but the over whelming skepticism and the whole “go seek medical help advice” can make this forum a really irritating place sometimes (there is a reason why 7 people update daily vs. other occult forums out there). Even more irritating than the over the top dramatic post (which I rarely see). Its really hard other than a select few, to have any interesting conversation.

Why complain about the dramatic post when one claimed to act this very same way during their own teenage angst years, that’s hypocritical IMO. Like the dad who gets angry at his son for having underage sex, when he (the dad) himself did the same. Then to turn around and say it’s natural teenage expression.

Blah Blah Blah, Nag Nag Nag. If it’s normal teenage angst, then stop complaining and or petition for this forum to have an age requirement. A public forum equals, children, and nutcases are equally allowed to voice their opinions. Obviously if they are making fun or full of shit banning is needed.

Also I like to talk fantastical about the occult, and or put a “Hollywood movie” twist to the rituals and spells I attempt. Sorry if that annoys anyone, and yes I am special.

IMO you are angry if your writing essay worthy post about nutcases and children writing on a PUBLIC INTERNET FORUM, and then having to add the whole contrived “I’m not angry” statement to your post despite the seemingly emotional fueled essay.

I wasn't targeting anyone specific. . .

'there are no such thing as the happy gentle bunny people'

i should hope not (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

'it could be said that my whole eternal mission has been to break open the head and cause dissociative disorders lol'

haha. at least you have a consistent mission. some people don't even have that. that's fine eso...philosophy is meant to be experienced and lived through...not traded in show in tell like a baseball card. i admire you for your conviction.

i also have come to understand, that anyone is allowed to change their mind, and so i have a very easy conscience about changing my opinions whenever i want to especially if i am confronted with a better understanding of things. its called honest humility. not hypocrisy. further more, as i have always been...i am an observer and an explorer. i LOVE to write essays whatever the subject. i never thought there was anything wrong with it. i tinker with ideas all the time. its what i do. THAT is my consistent trait...or fault. whatever it is...i have no desire to change THAT part of myself. furthermore, i try to be forgiving of anyone else besides me...who has more than enough air 'to cool their porridge'. That way i don't come off as a snot. yes? i like people who try to do the same thing but are unafraid of expressing themselves without passive aggressive undercuts bleeding through their lines.

just like you aphrodite, i try not to target people. i think we are one and the same yes?

" it comes with the territory of going beyond the human - and to take it to the extreme means dehumanizing and amorality, not narcissism"

i think it is interesting that you touch on this eso. its very hard to induce dehumanization (although i would argue that morality is only a bi-product of humanity and not a defining factor) and yes, in attempting to transcend/transform its very easy to "become more human" rather then less. Its a polarization affect, i've noticed...how everything has an equal and opposite reaction, and that we humans can't help but exist in a reactive state. But how to escape from the bear trap? cause and effect is a devil of a cage.
you have a good point, when you imply that labels of any sort are detrimental to transcending those ties. but then, most people are incapable of defining their selves...so they allow others to define them, because it is convenient.

still, this is my firm belief: while we are in the physical...we are weighed down by physical law and obedience to those laws are essential to survival until we can grow enough and become self aware enough to transcend said reactive state.

but also. im not sure inducing 'dehumanization' is necessary to transcend. what's wrong with embracing one's humanity? aren't there other ways to transcend other than rejecting one's natural state of being? i don't know about you, but i chose to be a human for a reason.

"the land of make-believe is a glamour that the dissolving ego creates as reality melts, and it is a trap"

yes i agree...though aphrodite makes a worthy argument when she states:

" I like to talk fantastical about the occult, and or put a “Hollywood movie” twist to the rituals and spells I attempt"

overall, i think that azareth gave us the key here:

"Its belief and constant thought that gives these fantasies power."

i remember already having a conversation with bb3 about this earlier in the thread...its a fascinating subject.

here's his reply: http://www.sacred-magick.org/index.php?showtopic=6600

This post has been edited by valkyrie: Apr 12 2009, 10:48 AM

i just now figured out there was a page 2 lol

guess i got my mind on ishtara - sorry, i'll look at it tomorrow am

ah well garsh! don't i feel embarrassed. yes possibly...i overreacted then...but now i have no problem with it what so ever. so don't worry acid...to me, you are the same lovable caustic chemical you've always been. : keep up the good work! -valkyrie

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/blush2.gif) Now I feel all warm and squishy inside...

The vampire image serves as a scapegoat as it allows us to disown the negative aspects of our personalities. This in turn becomes Narcissistic rage and one seeks the utter destruction of others.
The vampire within ourselves projects its image onto others thereby justifying its own predatory intentions.

While the vampire image makes sense and is totally analogous to a narcissist I think would more accurately be described as the fantacy image. The person who has no real grasp on reality aside from whatever gets them the attention they desire. They will manipulate others to no end and have no moral character. And actually, imho, if you want to make a true analogy that anyone can relate to, politicans = narcissists.

Not to be a b**** but the over whelming skepticism and the whole “go seek medical help advice” can make this forum a really irritating place sometimes (there is a reason why 7 people update daily vs. other occult forums out there). Even more irritating than the over the top dramatic post (which I rarely see). Its really hard other than a select few, to have any interesting conversation.

??? Maybe I just don't browse the forum as much as I used to but this site is really tame when it comes to skepticism. Try going to yahoo answers and having a decent converstation about the paranormal in the vary forum dedicated to that subject! Your top answers will be "it doesn't exist" or "there is no such thing". And there are few pagans who will try to give you a decent answer and few more that will just make you wonder "who let you out of the funny farm!?"

From my point of view I think it is important to offer mundane solutions over magick and rely on magick as a catalyst, rather than a direct force of change. I think some people tend to think that magick is the solution, and indeed it may help. But why over complicate things if a more mundane solution is more likely to get you from point A to B?

Why complain about the dramatic post when one claimed to act this very same way during their own teenage angst years, that’s hypocritical IMO. Like the dad who gets angry at his son for having underage sex, when he (the dad) himself did the same. Then to turn around and say it’s natural teenage expression.

To be honest the dad who gets mad at his son for having teenage sex, even though he did so himself does not follow. The dad is much older, more mature and may have suffered the consequences of having sex before he was ready, and simply does not want his son to make the same mistakes. I think more dad's tend to get disappointed, rather than flat out irrate. And that disappointment is not necessarily just in that child that has sex, but also from the part of the father who feels he has somehow failed as a parent.

True hypocrossy would be like a politican who gets into office by claiming to support lower taxes and then get elect and end up supporting tax hikes.

Just saying.

Obviously if they are making fun or full of shit banning is needed.

That right there in one short sentence is the summation of the original intent of this thread.

still, this is my firm belief: while we are in the physical...we are weighed down by physical law and obedience to those laws are essential to survival until we can grow enough and become self aware enough to transcend said reactive state.

I think humanity can use a little "dehumanization", or from my interpretation a seperation between man who is civilized from man who is an animal. For example - say sexuality and human anatomy. Europeans are not nearly as hung up about the human body as Americans are. And its not just the showing of it, I think that is just part of it. Many people are taught to not talk about the "penis" or the "clitoris" and these perfectly normal, natural parts of the human body end up getting demonized as though they were somehow "dirty" or inappropriate to talk about. And yet at the same time - society through mass media sells sex through just about everything! Anybody see BK's new ad for sponge bob and kid's meals?

It does become a slippery slope arguement. At one point do we free ourselves from the "civilized" person to become more "animal" and in touch with our nature. Surely, as a society, we do not want men knocking each other on the heads for breeding rights with whatever woman. And surely we do not want pedophiles to be allowed to express their disfunctional nature freely. Albeit a lawless society might be interesting I don't think in the long run it would be very successful, nor do I think humans could go for long without somehow setting up "rules" and "punishments".

I wasn’t being literal. I’m just making an analogy of the hypocrisy, stating that you (no one in particular)

A. Abject to something you’ve done.
B. Abject to something you claim to be a natural occurrence of teenagers, making it inevitable.

“I think more dad's tend to get disappointed”

I’ve mentioned before it was suppose to be a lose analogy (I know, a weak one). Human emotion isn’t necessarily logical so I’m not going to guess what fathers do or don’t.

“That right there in one short sentence is the summation of the original intent of this thread.”

Ok so guess all for this idea petition this to the moderators?

Well I do admit to being one of those people that believe anything is possible via magic, so that’s why crazy post just seem more amusing and imaginative than annoying.

I think as American sexuality goes, people aren’t IMO demonizing it, just the idea of emotionless risky sexual behavior. I kind of understand that because I’m sure at least 90% of my friend and acquaintances have an STD and or some emotional issue because of the extreme sleeping around (and I have a lot of friends). I think American media pushes sex is a strange way versus Europeans. I don’t know how to explain it, Europeans make sex seem sensual and a beautiful nature thing, were as America it’s raunchy and a hobby. I don’t even know if I’m on topic. . .

we do not want men knocking each other on the heads for breeding rights with whatever woman. And surely we do not want pedophiles to be allowed to express their disfunctional nature freely.

I wouldn’t mind that. I think metro sexual is kool, but I miss/crave the aggressive and take charge/typical caveman behavior men had. And what’s consider a pedophile is different in each culture/country.

interesting how folks express dehumanization

my dehumanization problem is dissociation, but not down into the animal, but up beyond humanness into, what, the alien?

and my body is sometimes unresponsive, but there is no medical problem (i've checked)

the higher i go up the chakra ladder, the more i don't have complete control of my physical existence - hands don't work right and stuff - its like not grounding for a really long time and the body becoming a zombie

edit: we finally got power! - after the ishtar hook-up, and some other work, we had a couple of really strange things - the first was that we had a very unique atmospheric condition called a gravity wave, or wake front, that was like the atmosphere was in two layers and the fast movement of the upper layer caused the lower layer to blow up in waves like on the ocean! the split between the two layers was at 1000 feet and our area here in the alabama mountains was at 990 feet, right in the wave-action area - we got scrubbed like with a scrub brush, with high winds going back and forth! - like being on a underwater reef just underneath the wave action - the wave period was long, like 3 minutes - we had trees down on the house, debris everywhere, but THERE WAS NO DAMAGE TO THE HOUSE OR CARS OR ANYTHING and everybody else did have damage (some terrible), and that is the reason behind primal magic based on communication with entities! - plus i got the distinct message that there was no damage specifically because i asked for protections before the event (as i always do) - also there were some dreams that i will put in the dream thread

This post has been edited by esoterica: Apr 15 2009, 08:42 AM

when i said embracing humanity i meant embracing it on a world level. as in we are all part of the same race same species, we are all animals and we all originated from the same worm! we are all social creatures, it is very natural to operate in relationships, systems, governments, you name it. I am NOT an anarchist for the very reason you stated, Acid. I am, however, a Darwinist and i firmly believe in the fact that 'the strong survive' and 'the weak perish'. i think that is a type of spiritual connection right there; in that we are all connected by the laws of natural selection, just as we are all part of a niche in our environment. Regressing into a primitive state of an animal or ascending into a state of remote 'alien' is good and all, but how does it help to advance humanity into a larger dimension of growth? Furthermore, if we are looking at an individual's process of actualization, how would dissociation from or rejection of regular human values (this includes morals, systems, and physical limitations and mental boundaries) advance the person, or to develop the persona, let alone the race as a whole? Not that i would ask anyone to 'take up the yoke' or shoulder Atlas, but does no one feel a spiritual tie, and dare i say obligation, to humanity? if not this, then why decide to reincarnate into one? Personally, i like being human. And of course, when the time comes to graduate i will, without hesitation, graduate...but for now, my place is here, lovingly, inside this very human body. There is no urgent sense of escapism, no immediate pressure to become enlightened over anyone else. Its a personal journey, but also it is a shared journey.

but you are right. civilization gets carried away. Its too intense, too confused. i just want to know if spirituality itself, is not a product or reaction to that fact. i don't get the sense that it is, but when i see the methods people take to obtain spiritual empowerment, i have my doubts.

I think we're getting a little off topic. But then again its fight club and I doubt other moderators really care.

I wanted to add:

Well I do admit to being one of those people that believe anything is possible via magic, so that’s why crazy post just seem more amusing and imaginative than annoying.

Just to reiterate; if I or rest of the staff were to come down on every person for believing in anything "magickal", we'd have to shut down the sight. Its an occult website! Of course people on here are going to believe in magick and anything related. But back to this:

Obviously if they are making fun or full of shit banning is needed.

BINGO!!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

>>we are all animals and we all originated from the same worm!

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and so our task is to evolve into something more?

yikes - i assume we are made in the image decided on by our creators, placed here in this petri dish of a incubator planet, and left to reproduce according to our genetic programming (truth) - soon there will be the harvesting of the ones that did it properly (kept the spliced genetic structures intact through reproduction), and then its into the autoclave for petri dish before the next batch

same techniques we reproduce bacteria with, just on a larger scale, but 'as above, so below' for scale

we have absolutely no future except to become more than gm bacteria

not just cows trying to talk to a farmer who raises the cows for his livelyhood, we must evolve (or speed up the evolve process) to escape the farm culture entirely


This post has been edited by esoterica: Apr 16 2009, 09:07 AM

Just figured I'd say...
I'm new to the fourms but already you can tell who stands out here as a true practioner and who is'nt...
respect must be earned and it shows who knows thier stuff who's done their homework and who hasnt...

As a newbie to the fourms its really not my place to comment on this post as i really don't know all the drama you, how do i say more "senior members" have had to endure and done youre best to with hold totally destroying and ripping apart those that come here with self deluted fantasies.

but I will say to those of you that put the extra time in carfully editing youre posts to most make sure you present youre idea's and comments in the best way you can, it dosnt go unoticed and is greatly appreciated at least by myself and I'm sure many others here that.
come here seeking counsel and a place to bounce like idea's off one another...

with that said
Thanks for youre time, effort and deligence and remember that amongst the annoying drama's here I hope you find that there are certain kindred spirits here that value true knowledege and wisdom here.
Thanks again

P.s. maybe vagrent's originall post should be p.m.ed to all new accounts as part of a "welcome letter" that may help to snuff the b.s. before it sullies the fourms just a thought, though I'm sure it's not youre intent to police the site. just vent fraustration...

Take care

Ahem.

*bump*
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Seconded.

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Reading is bad enough, I feel for the mods.