Questions On Natures Of Enochian Angels, can anyone give me info on specific enochian angels? Options

Hi everyone, I would like any info some of you may have on specific enochian angels namely from the subangle air of Air.
Are these angels; above and below the top cross arms; Rzla, czns ToTt- the proper angels to call for healing?(knitting together and binding of things?)
Also; do you think the Enochian ANgels are "outside" the traditionall hebrew 9 chiors of angels? or can they fit within these.classifications.
I'm wondering are they truely angels elect" as I know some goetics such as Marbas for example can perform healing although they are not of a"good nature". Ps I know some would say; "call 'em up and ask them" lol..but i've heard they can be 'cranky" and want to be sure of whom I'm calling on for what lol!
thanks very much for the input
Love & Light

This post has been edited by Lightning777: Aug 29 2009, 11:36 PM

Has anyone here actually tried to use enochian angels for healing purposes? I've had good resuslts with Arcangels, and some of their associate angels so farand had sucess with evoking a few elementals.. but Enochian Angels are still uncharted waters for me, I'm finally getting an understanding of how the system works after a few years of study, I'm just not so sure if I should stray to far from the hebrew system & the angels of the sphiroth. I would take it then they are not on the tree? I supose I'm answering my own post ha ha! from some of the other stuff I've read: if E.A.'s are like blind forces then some would be more akin to elementals? From Tysons book for example particular angels of the subangles can teach functions and uses of elementals(good and bad)..
I am being drawn to this strongly its very difficult to learn something this complex on your own..thanks for the help you all have given me Love & Light (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mr47_05.gif)

ATTENTION MODERATORS; could you please move this to the enochian section?
I put it here not realizing there was a specific enochian section
thank you Levitas

Hi everyone, I would like any info some of you may have on specific enochian angels namely from the subangle air of Air.
Are these angels; above and below the top cross arms; Rzla, czns ToTt- the proper angels to call for healing?(knitting together and binding of things?)
Also; do you think the Enochian ANgels are "outside" the traditionall hebrew 9 chiors of angels? or can they fit within these.classifications.
I'm wondering are they truely angels elect" as I know some goetics such as Marbas for example can perform healing although they are not of a"good nature". Ps I know some would say; "call 'em up and ask them" lol..but i've heard they can be 'cranky" and want to be sure of whom I'm calling on for what lol!
thanks very much for the input
Love & Light

I just wanted to add to this dead thread ha ha! The call and command on this section of air of air is azdra to call and odiogo to command if i remembered correctly I think there are other subangle of air angels that can also perform "knitting togther" which would include healing as thats a form of knitting togther.
After 3 years I'm finally getting a good basic understanding of how this system works...I definately didn't want to blindly experiment with enochian as there are definately hazards if you accidently bite off more than your able to deal with.
One of my discoverys in studying Dr Dees original manuscripts is these angels don't really seem to be compatible with the christian belief system as seems at fiirst, as they definatley don't have anything good to say about Yeshua-(Jesus)..that he robed god and to do him no homage..but to name a few.
This makes me wonder are they really all that different from, the Goetic spirits? On several occasions E.Kelly thought the same and wanted nothing more to do with them..
I wanted to have a very clear understanding of the forces and currents to be evoked..as that leaves little room for serious errors that could definately lead to negative results..I just wanted to add this Thanks and Brightest Blessings

This post has been edited by Lightning777: Nov 18 2009, 06:29 PM

No they are defiantly angels, just of a different sort. Don't expect a gushy feel good angel ala Anderson or Virtue. They are generally even more hard boiled than some qabalaic angels. They have an agenda that goes beyond your wants but if you can deal with that then you can reach a common ground which they will work with you. Good luck!

No they are defiantly angels, just of a different sort. Don't expect a gushy feel good angel ala Anderson or Virtue. They are generally even more hard boiled than some qabalaic angels. They have an agenda that goes beyond your wants but if you can deal with that then you can reach a common ground which they will work with you. Good luck!

Hi, From my limited experience with them yeah them do seem quite different from the angels I've met, and very serious: ie don't want to be called for mundane reasons...Thanks agian Frate Fio you aremost helpful..Brightest blessings

Hi, From my limited experience with them yeah them do seem quite different from the angels I've met, and very serious: ie don't want to be called for mundane reasons...Thanks agian Frate Fio you aremost helpful..Brightest blessings

Hi, Ijust wanted to add a little more to this;as Frater Fio was saying about the EA's having there own agenda, would this be akin to things like what I read in Ben Rowes "Book Of Senoirs" Like what The senior Aczinor was saying about the evolution of our solar system and specifically the earth moon system, a very interesting read for anyone getting into the Enochian system...He was taking about the evolution of not only humans but the planets and thier intelligences how the moon became a dead world ect....very heavy stuff...I'm really into that kind of stuff the why of it all.
I thinkFiomeans they aren't to concerened with giving us "stuff" but info of that deep of a nature could seriously open up new facultys in ourselves.. funny thing this system is one of the few that I have peace with, the darker magicks don't seem compatible with my spiritual makeup...a calling perhaps???
Thanks Lux

I think Fio means they aren't to concerened with giving us "stuff" but info of that deep of a nature could seriously open up new facultys in ourselves.. funny thing this system is one of the few that I have peace with, the darker magicks don't seem compatible with my spiritual makeup...a calling perhaps???
Thanks Lux

No what I mean is the enochian angels really don't give a shit about you. They have a goal they are trying to achieve and that is their only concern. For whatever reason they cannot achieve their goal without us Humans so they deal with us as a means to an end. Part of their agenda requires us to use them and their energies as well as spiritual "evolution" for us and our world regardless of the cost. This is the reason enochian can be so transformative, readily available, and highly adaptable. They want us to use their energy and use it often.

Now I am not saying they are evil and out to get us, although that is a possibility. I am just pointing out they are using us, just as much as we are using them. If you burn yourself playing with fire then that is not their concern. A lot of the safety checks inherent in the tree of life angels etc just aren't there in enochian.

No they are defiantly angels, just of a different sort. Don't expect a gushy feel good angel ala Anderson or Virtue.

There are people on this board who actually who actually READ those two? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/yikes.gif)



I thought they would've been considered lightweights around here. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hmm.gif)

There are people on this board who actually who actually READ those two? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/yikes.gif)
I thought they would've been considered lightweights around here. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hmm.gif)

No, I was using them to make a point. lol (IMG:style_emoticons/default/banana.gif)

No what I mean is the enochian angels really don't give a shit about you. They have a goal they are trying to achieve and that is their only concern. For whatever reason they cannot achieve their goal without us Humans so they deal with us as a means to an end. Part of their agenda requires us to use them and their energies as well as spiritual "evolution" for us and our world regardless of the cost. This is the reason enochian can be so transformative, readily available, and highly adaptable. They want us to use their energy and use it often.

Now I am not saying they are evil and out to get us, although that is a possibility. I am just pointing out they are using us, just as much as we are using them. If you burn yourself playing with fire then that is not their concern. A lot of the safety checks inherent in the tree of life angels etc just aren't there in enochian.

Thanks Fio for spelling that out, do you you give any credence to the idea that "their Agenda" is to bring about the apocolypse of revelations?
I know Tysons book was really bringing that possibilitiyto the forefront. I do see a lot line up with biblical prophecy like in Ezekial when hes taking about the vision of the Merkabah with the "wheels" of fire- that would be Auphnim; and the four faces; a man eagle,bull and lion and so the throne is actually made of various angelic classes like the watchtowers. After studying variuos layouts of the watchtowers structure I'm still amazed by how many times while reading through other books of the bible I see descriptions that line up with them or points that match. I should probably log these. Thanks Frater Fio

This post has been edited by Lightning777: May 6 2010, 03:09 AM

Thanks Fio for spelling that out, do you you give any credence to the idea that "their Agenda" is to bring about the apocalypse of revelations?

Yes absolutely. But that doesn't necessarily imply the evangelical christian version of what that actually will entail. Apocalypse is a greek word meaning revelation (sudden knowledge) the text is cryptic and can have any number of interpretations. It may or may not be a bad thing. Try reading the text with fresh eyes bringing none of the baggage from our christian cultural background and form your own opinions.