Specific But Harsh Curse? Options

So I went to a concert with my friend today. The concert was AWESOME. However, his dad called saying we had to be out at seven (it started at 6) because my parents wanted me home. My parents were leaving that night and had said that I could metro home or he could drive me, any time was okay. I texted my dad to make sure and then my friend put me on the phone with HIS father, who insisted that my father was lying to me. I offered that maybe there had been a misunderstanding and he insisted. I said something along the lines of "You're the liar here. If you want us to leave then say so and we'll leave, but don't lie to me about what my father said or insult my father to my face." He got his back up and started freaking out.

So the friend I was with is a really good friend of mine and I don't want to harm him... His father, on the other hand, will get majorly fucked up one way or another. I'm an elemental magician who specializes in tides, waves and weather, so anything I do will be relatively large-scale, so I'm not effective here with my current skill set.

Does anybody have any curses that are specific to the victim and will not harm anybody else? I don't want to KILL him, just put him through hell one way or another without harming my friend. Anybody have something that will cause sickness or something?

Also I'm staying with a family friend at the moment and don't have much privacy to perform lengthy rituals... any suggestions? I'm also open to things like binding and such if you think that will be effective.

I've never cursed anyone before and it's against my principles as a light-wielder, but I'm putting this under the category of "respect thy parents" since him insulting my father is what made me mad and hoping God can forgive me for one transgression.

Can someone help me out?

Does anybody have any curses that are specific to the victim and will not harm anybody else? I don't want to KILL him, just put him through hell one way or another without harming my friend. Anybody have something that will cause sickness or something?

Why not just go slash his tires or smear dog-crap on his windshield or something? Or be an ass to his face?

I'm not suggesting either of these things btw, but they seem a bit more...in control than a "curse."

I'm also a bit confused as to how you expect to affect your friend's dad without affecting your friend. Make him sick, and your friend has to deal with a sick, pissed-off dad. Same thing with his tires, though your friend may get out of going to school for a day if you do that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bigwink.gif) Just because the effects of magick might be harder to trace back to you doesn't mean that your friend won't be affected by it.

This post has been edited by monkman418: Sep 1 2010, 01:16 AM

I recall you just made a post about trying to band a group of magicians together to make the world a better place? Shall we curse every single controlling parental figure one by one first? The consistency in your statements are confusing.

I recall you just made a post about trying to band a group of magicians together to make the world a better place? Shall we curse every single controlling parental figure one by one first? The consistency in your statements are confusing.

Clearly you didn't read my post. He's not controlling, he's a liar and a manipulative a$%*#!*. Controlling parents I have no problem with; if he'd said "I want you out at seven because that's how it is and I'm your dad," I would have hated him but been okay with it. A parent that attempts to sow discord in my family for no ostensible reason by telling me I'm being lied to by my father, however? He needs a curse. Or a bludgeon in his ribs. But that takes heavy lifting, so I'll go with the curse.

With regards to Monkman... I'd rather curse him than commit a crime. I can't get put in jail for cursing somebody. Also, my friend already has to deal with a constantly pissed-off dad, I think he'd be happy to have his dad laid up and out of his hair to be honest. I understand these consequences, what I mean is can I curse the father without making my friend die so that his dad will be miserable?

Work with a demon. Bad advice? I know but why lecture you, ya can already guess the what I would say against it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blablabla.gif)

A parent that attempts to sow discord in my family for no ostensible reason by telling me I'm being lied to by my father, however? He needs a curse. Or a bludgeon in his ribs. But that takes heavy lifting, so I'll go with the curse.

Once again, as an individual who wishes to make a team of people to make the world a better place, you seem to have an interesting sense of good and evil.

Once again, as an individual who wishes to make a team of people to make the world a better place, you seem to have an interesting sense of good and evil.

My family comes before your judgement. No offense. Also, protecting the environment has absolutely nothing to do with allowing other humans to kick you around however the hell they want; good and evil are irrelevant to me as far as that goes, it's a matter of pure logic and I have no idea what you're attempting to say about it with this.

This post has been edited by Ethereal Sight: Sep 1 2010, 03:02 PM

I've never cursed anyone before and it's against my principles as a light-wielder, but I'm putting this under the category of "respect thy parents" since him insulting my father is what made me mad and hoping God can forgive me for one transgression.

Mmm hmm.

Clearly your principles are a little shaky. As a 'light-wielder', it should be enough for you to file this bit away about your friends father so that in the future you will have a clearer picture of who he really is. Better to know, than to trust, anyone.

You don't need any kind of forgiveness from 'God', just be willing to accept the consequences of your actions. There will be consequences of course, so assume that this is a given and consider it a sacrifice for whatever it is you want to do to the man.

Frankly, the principles of magic are the same across the board, its only the application that is different. Being a great and powerful elementalist will carry right over into small scale cursing if you apply a little creativity to the problem. Assuming you can suss out the difference between Principle and Application.

But, if you believe in cursing a man, fine. Do it and own it as something you believe in. Don't play around like you have high flying ideals and principles against it though. You're wanna do it because your mad, and that's fine, but call it like it is. There is no divinity such that it will judge you to be 'good' or 'bad' based on what you believe in, your actions will have consequences and that's all there is to it.

Tom punches Bob, Bob punches Tom back, Tom's buddy comes over and punches Bob, Bob punches Buddy, Tom punches Bob...

Tom punches Bob, Bob shrugs it off because he isn't mortally wounded and didn't really lose anything in the bargain, and remembers in the future that Tom is the type of guy that will punch him, and treats him accordingly.

There's an active and smart way to live, and there's an entirely reactive and thoughtless way.

peace

While I think you have the right to be angry at him, I don't feel you should curse him. Yes I understand that he lied about what your father said but thousands of people lie everyday, that doesn't mean we should curse them. From what I understand he lied about what your father had told you concerning when you could leave correct? Then wouldn't this be an issue for your father and him to address/work out? Since I see this more as a disrespect to your father you may just want to have him talk to your friends dad about what occurred. I am also in agreement with monkman that there's no guarantee the curse won't affect your friend somehow. In fact, I think this is an issue that can be resolved without the use of magic. While I understand your anger towards him, I don't believe what happened is serious enough to warrant a curse.

This post has been edited by Pyre: Sep 1 2010, 04:52 PM

While I think you have the right to be angry at him, I don't feel you should curse him. Yes I understand that he lied about what your father said but thousands of people lie everyday, that doesn't mean we should curse them. From what I understand he lied about what your father had told you concerning when you could leave correct? Then wouldn't this be an issue for your father and him to address/work out? Since I see this more as a disrespect to your father you may just want to have him talk to your friends dad about what occurred. I am also in agreement with monkman that there's no guarantee the curse won't affect your friend somehow. In fact, I think this is an issue that can be resolved without the use of magic. While I understand your anger towards him, I don't believe what happened is serious enough to warrant a curse.

My father and him were talking the whole time; it did no good. It's not exactly a disrespect to my father so much as a deliberate attempt to cause a fight in my family for no reason. It can't be resolved without magick because he's too stubborn to admit that he lied, even when I show him clear proof of it. In fact, magick may not resolve it, but someone like that needs to be put through serious pain, whether they learn anything from it or not.

I don't think words are ever worth fighting over (except with more words). This guy sounds like a serious a$%*#!*, but by taking up your time and effort, he's only "winning"... The best way to demonstrate superiority is simply walk away.

And that's also why this is my (second-to) last post on here. Monkman: I think you've been ridiculous. Just FYI.

Feels good man.

This post has been edited by Vilhjalmr: Sep 1 2010, 09:03 PM

Yo ES,

Not sure if it's kosher to quote from other parts of the message board, but you said on another thread:

My father demands absolute control over my life and I hate it. Our relationship is essentially frigid and he shows no affection for me. EVER.

That said, if anyone (adult, not my age) hurt me, he would go after them and... errr.... crunch? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/oops.gif)

Fathers do demand absolute control for the most part - but on the basis of love, if you get my meaning.

Makes me wonder a bit whether the real issue here is with your own dad, and (perhaps) an unconscious fear that if you hurt your dad you'd get pummeled for it. Easier to lash out at someone else's dad than your own. Just a theory...


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Vilhjalmr, it's been radical. Take care, and hope to see you back here!

This post has been edited by monkman418: Sep 1 2010, 09:51 PM

Mmm hmm.

Clearly your principles are a little shaky. As a 'light-wielder', it should be enough for you to file this bit away about your friends father so that in the future you will have a clearer picture of who he really is. Better to know, than to trust, anyone.

You don't need any kind of forgiveness from 'God', just be willing to accept the consequences of your actions. There will be consequences of course, so assume that this is a given and consider it a sacrifice for whatever it is you want to do to the man.

Frankly, the principles of magic are the same across the board, its only the application that is different. Being a great and powerful elementalist will carry right over into small scale cursing if you apply a little creativity to the problem. Assuming you can suss out the difference between Principle and Application.

But, if you believe in cursing a man, fine. Do it and own it as something you believe in. Don't play around like you have high flying ideals and principles against it though. You're wanna do it because your mad, and that's fine, but call it like it is. There is no divinity such that it will judge you to be 'good' or 'bad' based on what you believe in, your actions will have consequences and that's all there is to it.

Tom punches Bob, Bob punches Tom back, Tom's buddy comes over and punches Bob, Bob punches Buddy, Tom punches Bob...

Tom punches Bob, Bob shrugs it off because he isn't mortally wounded and didn't really lose anything in the bargain, and remembers in the future that Tom is the type of guy that will punch him, and treats him accordingly.

There's an active and smart way to live, and there's an entirely reactive and thoughtless way.

peace

I'm a bit like Tomber as far as my beliefs go - IMO, the bible never opposed sorcery, it just only involves it being used for evil purposes. It's a matter of man-made fear and misinterpretation. I am a christian occultist. This is why I talk about God - He is the universe in my opinion, and I think he will forgive me in this case, since I'm defending my family.

I don't mean my PRINCIPLES as a light-wielder, I mean my DUTY - I use my powers in all cases to benefit people unless I deem it necessary to put it down - that's my duty. I'm only supposed to smack down evil spirits and people though, and I don't know this man enough to call him evil. I'm smashing him anyway because he did an evil thing and hoping that's within my jurisdiction.

That explains my side.

Monkman, my issue with my real father is him being controlling, not a lying, manipulative, sadistic and cruel a$%*#!* (something he isn't). I wouldn't hurt my dad because however much we may disagree on, he's my dad and he has the right to tell me what to do. What fathers DO NOT have the right to do is lie just to hurt other people; moral turpitude is bad.

Okay, can I just bring this back to the topic at hand; will someone provide me with a powerful and yet specific curse that doesn't require extensive ingredients or rituals?

Remove all of his fire element from his spiritual body. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/evil2.gif)

Be sure to put it back shortly, though. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Remove all of his fire element from his spiritual body.

Remove his consciousness from his body and attribute it to his actions. The results will be visible. Make sure he isn't operating machinery. The results vary.

Well that would be very effective, and rather amusing. Yet it would not treat the issue. Its often easier simply to act around them and think of them as the manipulative people they are. If I read the situation right then nothing would have happened if you ignored your friends father- he having no formal power over you. Pay them no mind and there is little they can do about it.



As for a curse, In my line of work I deal with a lot of people like your friends father. Each one is their own special kind of screwed up. If you can find the root of that screwed up a Geis is often highly effective way to prevent further issues. The same skills you use to change the ratios of the elements will work equity well on emotions. Make it so he gets flooded with happy thoughts whenever he gets in to a manipulative mood.

Honestly, if you rip their consciousness out of their body and move their body around for a few hours, that'll probably make them feel powerless enough to teach the lesson. I see plenty of these people, and being one once and having an egregore do that to me, I learned my lesson quick, though the energy it takes to control two bodies while making sure you don't kill the individual will take skill.

Honestly, if you rip their consciousness out of their body and move their body around for a few hours, that'll probably make them feel powerless enough to teach the lesson. I see plenty of these people, and being one once and having an egregore do that to me, I learned my lesson quick, though the energy it takes to control two bodies while making sure you don't kill the individual will take skill.

Kaboom,

That makes me want to drink...

...that's extreme, both in terms of power and in terms of punishment.

You must be joking...you MUST be joking...(please tell me you're joking).

Honestly, if you rip their consciousness out of their body and move their body around for a few hours, that'll probably make them feel powerless enough to teach the lesson. I see plenty of these people, and being one once and having an egregore do that to me, I learned my lesson quick, though the energy it takes to control two bodies while making sure you don't kill the individual will take skill.

Your magickal, their not. You know whats going on and from the sound of it you could link your "punishment" to something concrete that you whee told not to do. The friend's parent is normal, and furthermore have no way to link punishment to behavior. I would be like hitting a dog because its bothering you. You end up with a pissed off and broken dog, that will still do the things that bothers you.

While I agree the father is manipulative, I also recognize how crazy parents get when their children are involved. Its best to fix the troublesome behavior, the motives are likely good and whats more you don't trigger psychosis in the father- which I can only assume would make matters worse.

Curses, hexes, spell for revenge, and such done to spite someone are all very satisfying. They make you feel like your in control of your life, hell you control others lives, and when someone wrongs you getting back is just plain satisfying. But people are general well intentioned to mildly uncaring. A small slight is not worth ruining someones life. More specifically to the solution quoted, even the LHP people I know would only use such excess for genuinely rotten people.

The OP asked for powerful, and that's powerful, but there is a simpler better way. There is in revenge something inherently selfish, nothing wrong with that per se, but a working to show the manipulative father how much it hurts and frustrate the people around him is more appropriate. You get to show him up, punish him and fix or start to fix the underlying issues.

This post has been edited by fatherjhon: Sep 3 2010, 12:48 PM

Kaboom,

That makes me want to drink...

...that's extreme, both in terms of power and in terms of punishment.

You must be joking...you MUST be joking...(please tell me you're joking).

I haven't done something close to that for an incredibly incredibly long time. He wanted something harsh, and I'd consider that probably one of the more brutal things out there. But I'd seriously have to say that its one of those things an individual would have to experience firsthand to get a grasp of (like how cops have to get tasered if they want to carry one.)

I haven't done something close to that for an incredibly incredibly long time. He wanted something harsh, and I'd consider that probably one of the more brutal things out there. But I'd seriously have to say that its one of those things an individual would have to experience firsthand to get a grasp of (like how cops have to get tasered if they want to carry one.)

Any techniques for doing this? In theory, it makes sense, but what actions produce this effect?

Any techniques for doing this? In theory, it makes sense, but what actions produce this effect?

Sounds a lot like a necromantic rite I once read about. The soul is seen as a matrix of key emotions, thoughts, perspiration and memories that combine to make us who we are. Suppressing, or in the case of the rite I read, summoning them out of the body would have similar results to the ones described. Although, I would think some one with a reasonable level of physic abilities could cut off active thought while keeping perception intact. The result would be as if one where ripped out of their body. But I like VitalWinds idea of removing all the fire element from a person.


By the by, NONE of this is simple, so we might have derailed the thread. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/oops.gif) (Ethereal Sight, try candle magick easy and effective.)

Any techniques for doing this? In theory, it makes sense, but what actions produce this effect?

Intuitively, I'd say that fatherjohn's approach isn't wrong, but it isn't effective.

One thing important is that you have to have a legitimate power source. I can exhaust all of the energy in my body and recover it in around 20 minutes, and I can easily spend all of it under 50 seconds if need be. Drawing from energy sources for that much fuel is pretty much impossible, so it demands a basically endless power source.

You just need to find your target and just grab ahold of him and tear it out whilst substituting yourself into the target's body. For the longest time, I'd just use brute energetic force to do stuff, which I've figured out recently is kind of ineffiecient, but I had the capacity to do it.

But I'd have to say one of the few definite requirements for this is to be able to navigate multiple planes simultaneously, as you'd probably have to operate on multiple planes at once to make sure that you don't exactly lose your mind and that everything is balanced as you're outputting that much energy.

Another alternative is to create a farraday cage around the target. That'll obviously have to require a crapton of work, but if you do it right, you can minimize the target's connection to everything to a point its basically discountable. I haven't done that before, but I've experienced that as a child for a few months. Its arguably crueler, and much much much much much harder to stabilize and control if you can even generate enough energy to create something even close to that magnitude.

I'm about as moral-shy as anyone, but I still wouldn't just go around punishing every stupid adult authority figure in my path. Save your ammunition for thick-skinned monsters, not annoying little parasites. You have physical ligaments to deal with those.

...so did you end up making a curse?

...what happened? Did the backside of a camel land on his head? Will his leg ever recover from that chainsaw accident, or will they have to amputate? Amazing how much of a man a polar bear can eat for dinner while still leaving him alive and fresh for desert!

We want the gory details!

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This post has been edited by monkman418: Sep 12 2010, 08:50 PM

...so did you end up making a curse?

...what happened? Did the backside of a camel land on his head? Will his leg ever recover from that chainsaw accident, or will they have to amputate? Amazing how much of a man a polar bear can eat for dinner while still leaving him alive and fresh for desert!

We want the gory details!

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/evil2.gif)

Actually the first week of school just hit and I'm sort of half-dead and totally spiritually imbalanced... I'm going to get myself in order before I put him back in order.

Once again, since people seem to continuously misunderstand this, my issue is not with controlling parents!!!! Read the whole first post, or maybe if you're feeling able the whole thread before you decide you can judge my motives, please.

Thank you.

Cursing people is not a worthwhile endeavor with terrible Karmic ramifications. I too have cursed, in times of extreme emotion. I once brewed up such a storm that small animals including my own pets would not get near me for a week. So ask yourself: is that the type of energistic atmosphere you want to cultivate and then live in? I find it much more effective to take the other side of the coin in situation like this. Rather than cursing or tormenting someone, which damages them and yourself more or less equally, perform a rite to accelerate the impact of the individuals own bad Karma. Project realization and enlightenment on your target. Why? Because how do you think your target will feel when they realize what a heel they have been? Karma has a way of kicking you in the teeth at the exact moment that such realizations usually occur. The realization coupled with the ramifications of one's own wrong action tends to create a deep sense of despair that results in **spiritual growth**. In this case, your Karma is wholly positive, having only endeavored to aid. Keep the negative emotions out of it while you do it though, the Gnosis of such a working must be love.

We are all emanations from the same source, all siblings, and all humanity is our family. To learn to love a person whom one detests is a great victory. (and a difficult battle)

Ex

This post has been edited by Ex Lux: Nov 11 2010, 02:22 AM

terrible Karmic ramifications

Interesting, are we talking about Buddhist karma?