Women and Men, Their Roles in Magic Options

Greetings! (PS the title may be too limiting...go nuts!)
This was a bud starting to form in the Abramelin thread.
It was stated that women should be excluded from the Abramelin working.
It was remarked upon about that this was a prevalent attitude in Western esoteric traditions.
I maintain (whether right or wrong) that this practice takes place all around the world and that Magic can be dictated by the sex of the user. Women and Men handle/channel energy differently....
So, what are your thoughts?
Is this merely an attitude foisted off on us by the patriarchal church? Or does it stem from something alittle more basic?
Do tell us your opinions, theories or thoughts about this! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

The Randi challenge is based upon reproduceable scientific results. That you would use this as a 'Prove It' point in a discussion was where I lost it.

That wasn't exactly my point; it's just because it's such an easy thing to test I thought hey, why not suggest it! Randi's challenge seems to be better-known than I thought, though.

Now, especially, since you, yourself wouldn't take the challenge does this become onerous. (btw...you cannot prove the Theory of anything...yet, and if you do, then you'll be worth millions of dollars to the scientific community.) Theory is merely a believeable conjecture. It is not cast in stone. Otherwise it wouldn't be a Theory.

It depends on how you want to define "prove." You can reduce everything down to "cogito ergo sum", but I do not hold science or magic to this standard.

Although I've had many strange and even wonderful experiences in my life, based upon the occult 'sciences', I can not faithfully reproduce them in a 'scientific' way.

This brings a question to my mind; and it is a question, not an attack! If you cannot reliably produce a result from your magic, how do you know it is bringing results at all? Of course, if a ritual summons a real fire-breathing demon 1% of the time and you do it 100 times, that'd be enough - you can't argue with that kind of result. Do you get things that spectacular? I ask because I would very much like either one!

(Here is another great seed topic for this Forum!) Nor do I feel the urge to rise to the baiting the 'scientific' world bandies about with the puerile 'Prove It' response. Frankly, I hope they never do reduce Magic with the Scientific Method. I'm an Anarchist...I find that the very notion of the unknown rather appealing and tittilating. I'd find the world rather sterile without the conjectures. This is why I'm a fan of sci-fi, fantasy and the occasional conspiracy Theory!

Absolutely! Me too.

If I've misconstrued the tenor of your post then I am sorry...but if it was the grand "Prove It" maneuver then all bets are off. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sport_boxing.gif)

Not at all. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) It was mostly just curiosity about the community's/Goibniu's thoughts. Since he claimed reproduce-ability, I thought it seemed appropriate.

This post has been edited by Vilhjalmr: Nov 25 2009, 11:02 PM