The Worlds of "If", More Experimental Magic Options

Rather than using magic to create change in the current world, why not use magic to go to a world where the change has already happened? In his book "The Science of the Craft," William H. Keith writes: "A quantum event occurs. Let's say an atom emits a photon ... or it doesn't. Quantum theory says that both possibilities - a photon emitted and no photon emitted - are equally 'rea,' and it requires only an observer to collapse the event's wave function into one outcome or the other. Schrodinger's cat is both alive and dead, remember, until someone opens the box.

"The multiple-universe interpretation of quantum physics declares that both outcomes, in fact, exist; the universe we know branches into two separate universes - universes identical in every way save that in one the photon bursts from the heart of the atom and in the other nothing happens."

This means that in a parallel universe, you're about to win the lottery, in another you're about to die horribly. With directed magic, what you can theoretically do is you move yourself from the world you're currently in to one nearby in which your goal is a reality. Of course the obvious way to debunk this idea is to simply "will" yourself into a universe where you have everything you ever wanted, right? Well, it takes less energy to move to a world that is more similar to this one than it does to move to one that is more different.

This is because vast differences between one universe and another would be the result of the divergance happening a long time ago:

(IMG:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/Rin_Daemoko/Occult/Divergance.jpg)

It's easy to move to a parallel world the closer you are to the point of divergance, because there's less of a "gap" to traverse, thus less energy is required to make the leap. At that point, the differences between the two worlds are not as pronounced.


So, it's easier to jump into a world where the only difference is that you drank coffee with three sugar and one where you drank coffee with two sugar, than it is to jump into a world where you drank coffee with three sugar and one where Hitler won World War II and the world is under Nazi rule.

Moving to an energy with subtle changes could be done using personally raised energy, but if you want to shift yourself into a universe where the Chinese colonized Europe instead of the other way around, you'd probably need the energy of an exploding star.

I'm sure there are countless ways to actually move the self into a proposed parallel world. How would you do it, given this idea? What is the viability of this magical technique? Have you already done it? If so, did you do it on purpose?

Moving from one 'dimension' to another is something we do all the time. Within a 'band' of vibrations (for lack of a better word) we progress/move....within a web of probabilities.
In a taoist way of focusing down to a point we are able to 'step' into an alternative universe. I suppose that with more 'energy' we could take larger 'steps'.
Bringing entities over from another plane is very similar. The mental energies can transverse the gap fairly easily than physical movement. There has been discussion as to whether or not evocation to physical appearance was , in fact, the evoker mentally arranging the present physical universe to 'reflect' the image of the summoned entity or if the actual, corporeal being was summoned. I think that both occur.
Nonetheless, back to the topic, I like your premise. Yes, it should be able either by 'magic(k)', or by the mind. I've found that giving oneself the feeling of movement while attempting the 'step' is important...at least for me. I've also noted that the use of ley lines and similar terrestrial energy can form 'vortices' that can span any number of 'steps'.
I've been playing with these concepts for awhile...I'm glad that someone else is interested.
Have you ever taken note of small time anomalies? Example: a road that goes from point A to point B. It takes 5 min. to travel from point A to point B when traveling one way on the road. On the return trip it ALWAYS takes 6.5 minutes. Added note: On this road you can see the other end of this road...from either end. There are no side roads in sight. You can see clearly from one end to the other. If you travel halfway down the road, there is suddenly (and I mean suddenly) a side road, not paved but a worn track of gravel. There is a gate and an old mailbox. If you continue down the road and look back, there is no side road. Peculiar. You can only find the mailbox when you reach the halfway point.
I don't think that you'd need vast amounts of energy. I think that the application of power should/would be a timing thing and applying it just so.
I'm sorry to ramble on and look forward to hearing more.
PS check out the thread on Onges Hat and visit the website...a good read! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mf_bookread.gif)

This post has been edited by bym: Jul 8 2005, 09:53 PM

Dont mean to gush but i love that book. Much of what i do is based on that book and other sources like it. i look at it from the viewpoint of simultanious space time though rather than actual dimentional travel, although i like that theory too. i do alot of my meditations using the Zero Point Field theory. When i want to change something in my own life i see myself as standing in the direct center of an infinate field of tiny points of light that surround me in all three dimentions. Each of those points are a probability. Then by focusing my direct attention on the probability i want i can pull it to me to achieve the outcome i desire. i also wonder about the section of the book that deals with certain wavelengths being responsible for healing the body. i would like to use that wavelength in my healings but how will i know if i am overdoing it and causing harm? Any thoughts?

Astral Projection....a metaphysical way to experience a quantum theory (I'm planning a Major in Quantum for this very reason!).

I have this most amazing book about AP, which has explained more and helped and aided more than any other source I have come across in the many years of seeking in this particular field. It's called Astral Dynamics, by Robert Bruce. I HIGHLY recommend it.

Anyways, near the very beginning of the book he gets directly into explaining dimensional theories. He talks about real-time zones, nonphysical dimensions, the astral dimension etc...

The two closest related to this quantum theory would be the real time zone, and the nonphysical zone. I'll quote directly from him for a much better explanation than I can offer, lol.

Real Time Zone- The closest non physical dimensional area to the physical universe. A buffer zone seperating the physical universe from the astral dimension proper. The real time zone is neither in the astral dimension nor in the physical dimension. It is a non physical dimensional environment that contains a direct reflection of reality, as reality happens.

The non physical is pretty obvious...a dimension that vibrates at a higher frequency than that of what we can percieve with our normal five senses.

Now, for anyone who has AP, they would have a very direct understanding of the real time zone, if they remembered that is, lol. I've been there many many times myself, and sat and wondered how I could use this zone to change what I have around me in the physical zone. The answer hit me one time when I was just aimlessly wandering around....our minds! We consciously project with our minds, and when we are in the real time zone, we have access to the astral zone (which houses spirits, guides, etc...) alot easier, we have access to the physical realm (through our body), and especially important, we have access to the Akashic realm. This realm is our key. All we have to do is tap into the knowledge that is held in the Akasha, because we all know those records hold everything there is to find about anything we want to know, right? Well, so we sift through all those archives and find what gets our mind a ticken, which I must say, is pretty damn simple. I'm very sure a few of you here know what that is already.

But the Akasha also holds information on how we can fully manipulate that energy around us the real time zone. With that knowledge, combined with the strength of mind, we can manipulate anything we wanted (within the confines of safety and regards to others welfare that is! well...for me at least, lol) in the physical realm.

I know it sounds kinda crazy and waaay out there, but I seriously do feel and understand that is incrediably accessible. The only problem? We as humans have grown lazy and utilize a very small portion of our minds, leaving us with the "what we got" syndrome. Why not reach out and grab what you seek?

And for something to completely unrelated...Rin...Yaoi rules! I've only seen a little touch of it a convention, but totally fell in love with it. I was a little dissapointed to learn that I missed the female counterpart to that style, but was still thrilled to see that smirch of Yaoi non the less!

This post has been edited by DollHouseKitty: Sep 8 2005, 11:22 PM

It smacks of ignobility & baseness to disown & leave one's background for greener pastures. Even in the event of cataclysm & devastation on earth, we should try to be of service to its children.

One really quick thought: when dealing with the future, there is no set world or reality. Perhaps thaumaturgy is not creating a change in the world, but rather creating the world itself, or determining which future possibility will come to be.

Greetings!

It smacks of ignobility & baseness to disown & leave one's background for greener pastures

*sigh* Sweeping generalizations! "Follow the Yellowbrick Road..."
Just how does this relate to the Worlds of "If"? Moralizing for its own sake is petty and demeaning. Please explain your statements in regards to the original thread. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/butcher.gif)

To get to the parallel universe, we have to move backward in time to the point when the divergence between the two universes took place. My point was that 'Charity begins at home'. If we can master ourselves and identify ourselves with the universe in which we are living now, we will be able to wrought any change hereitself and so need for migration to the parallel universe is obviated. Exploration of parallel universe to satisfy curiosity can be taken up later.

This post has been edited by durki: Sep 10 2005, 03:16 AM

Greetings Durki!
Thank you for showing me your logic process. Do you understand why I'm asking you for these things? It helps whilst in debate Forum/discussion Forum to express your position while moralizing so it doesn't appear that you're unapproachable and not necessarily 'holier-than-thou'. Again, I don't happen to agree but I can live with that! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) The concept of a consumer mentality in regards to 'dimensional' or 'universe' hopping would make an interesting thread...I'll leave it to you to start.

Rather than using magic to create change in the current world, why not use magic to go to a world where the change has already happened? In his book "The Science of the Craft," William H. Keith writes: "A quantum event occurs. Let's say an atom emits a photon ... or it doesn't. Quantum theory says that both possibilities - a photon emitted and no photon emitted - are equally 'rea,' and it requires only an observer to collapse the event's wave function into one outcome or the other. Schrodinger's cat is both alive and dead, remember, until someone opens the box.

"The multiple-universe interpretation of quantum physics declares that both outcomes, in fact, exist; the universe we know branches into two separate universes - universes identical in every way save that in one the photon bursts from the heart of the atom and in the other nothing happens."

This means that in a parallel universe, you're about to win the lottery, in another you're about to die horribly. With directed magic, what you can theoretically do is you move yourself from the world you're currently in to one nearby in which your goal is a reality. Of course the obvious way to debunk this idea is to simply "will" yourself into a universe where you have everything you ever wanted, right? Well, it takes less energy to move to a world that is more similar to this one than it does to move to one that is more different.

This is because vast differences between one universe and another would be the result of the divergance happening a long time ago:

(IMG:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/Rin_Daemoko/Occult/Divergance.jpg)

It's easy to move to a parallel world the closer you are to the point of divergance, because there's less of a "gap" to traverse, thus less energy is required to make the leap. At that point, the differences between the two worlds are not as pronounced.


So, it's easier to jump into a world where the only difference is that you drank coffee with three sugar and one where you drank coffee with two sugar, than it is to jump into a world where you drank coffee with three sugar and one where Hitler won World War II and the world is under Nazi rule.

Moving to an energy with subtle changes could be done using personally raised energy, but if you want to shift yourself into a universe where the Chinese colonized Europe instead of the other way around, you'd probably need the energy of an exploding star.

I'm sure there are countless ways to actually move the self into a proposed parallel world. How would you do it, given this idea? What is the viability of this magical technique? Have you already done it? If so, did you do it on purpose?

An exploding star? Nah. Just believe it, and you will be there.

None of us may want to admit it, but we alter our memory all the time. Alter your past, and you have already altered your future. Parallel universe? If so, your hypothesis is validated.

You already know a lot of people denying historical facts. But are they facts? Why would you say that germany did not win World War II?

Sometimes when I lie, I visualize my lie as a situation that really happened. The more lies, the more fun. And my past is whatever I want it to be.

So from these premises you can safely say I have done this "magical" technique. Both on purpose and subconsciously through an innate mechanism of the brain.

This is more psychology than magic, I know. But I seldom make a distinction between the two.


-thief

Greetings All,

I am really intrested in other thoughts on this subject. I have been practicing magick since I was 17 I am 27 now, I have always been someone who experiemented who didn't really fit in with other groups. I have theories on this subject using a spirit board. I'd luv to include here if anyone is intrested let me know. I am currently at work so I'll post more later, but has anyone tried to do this yet?