A Raven Attacked Me!, wtf? Options

im not sure if this was an attack or a test...but it was strange. let me explain what happened: i was pulled out of my body into a projection. i was in my house...but my room was too dark to see who it was that pulled me out. i tried to go back to my body but i felt blocked...i couldn't wake myself up! what the heck? i was slammed up against my window, someone had grabbed my neck and pinned me. only for a second, before i wiggled loose and ran out the door and down the stairs. it became clear to me that the invader had control over my environment, so i decided to leave the house and make a dash into an open space so i could defend myself on an even playing field. i thought to transform into a dog...but i decided that was too limited against my foe, and an aerial perspective would be easier to see who was attacking me. i flew in the air and settled high on a tree branch overlooking the house...it was apparent that the entity was not attached to the house and that it was after me...the roof slat was being rented open by the thing as i passed over it...ok so it could fly too? i watched as the slat was punched open and fell to the ground and out came a bird. a bird??! well this was no ordinary bird...if it could attack me in the way that it did...i needed to protect myself...so it flew towards where i was but it didn't immediately see me...so i sprung out of the tree and tried to tackle it. it occurred to me, that if i used my arms to engage this creature we both would fall to the ground (because i wouldn't be able to sustain my flight)...but it was no matter to me because i had to take that risk...either it was going to be stopped or we both would be hurt in the fall. when i grabbed a hold of it...i was jerked back into my body...only to wake up very very very confused. with that, i also felt a strong jab into my stomach...as if it had tried to bite into me.

anyone think this could be a test and not a psychic attack? is this what they talk about when totem animals test you?

From what I learned that sounds like a good old fashion psychic attack. I was taught that usually if your afraid or have an urge to protect yourself then that entity around you is probably negative. I’m not sure what is meant about totem animals testing oneself but I do know that if you have a vivid dream about a certain animal etc then it is probably trying to contact you.

yep, sure sounds like the description of a psychic attack - did you piss off somebody, or meet somebody new lately?

if it was a test by a totem animal, from what i hear (as an outsider hearing stories) it comes more as a sudden severe doubt about that animal being your totem, or some unforeseen aspect of the animal coming into your mind, causing you to doubt the wisdom of having that animal as your totem - is that big black bird your totem?

and it sounds like you soundly defeated it, except for the deep peck of pain - do a healing ritual for yourself focussing on that area just in case? i would

i would also eat a spoonful of table salt for extra shields, just in case it comes back, and also get one of those whole rotisserie chickens from like wal-mart or publix, and rub it in and focus my mastery over it while i was eating it, ripping and tearing it to shreds and devouring its power, to bolster my self-image over the whole bird clan

psychic attacks are meant to knock you down and attack the self-image, anything that builds that up, from hot sex and deep love, to self-esteem exercises, to devouring the image of your attacker cave-man style, will help for next time

rip me a leg off that bird

yummy

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) chicken tonight!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

actually, i dont know what it was...but i ended up having a lot more energy the last couple days after the attack happened. its weird but it riled me up so much and i had such a fun time protecting myself... that im feeling much more confident in myself. i almost want to have another go at the thing. call it astral adrenaline...i dunno. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sport_boxing.gif) but i kinda wanna kick some butt.

you know...i was recovering from minor surgery...it could be that it saw me as easy prey. i was in pain, and on vicadin. (thats why i don't like being on drugs...they make me feel vulnerable).

then again i have been surfing through jobs lately...but i dont think i have any enemies. i would never knowingly piss someone off to that extant but then again i do have my bad days. lol. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/flame.gif)

one particular question i have is: Originally the thing that pinned me had an arm. it squeezed the hand around my neck to make feel like i was being choked. i felt the presence was a lot larger then a bird and very masculine but then it immediately changed into something else when it chased after me...and even the bird wasn't acting like a bird. Can spirits shape shift? if yes, why did it shape shift into that??? i was not impressed lol.

you know...i was recovering from minor surgery...it could be that it saw me as easy prey. i was in pain, and on vicadin. (thats why i don't like being on drugs...they make me feel vulnerable).

aha - trauma! - long recognized as a way for the "demons to enter" - now called "hole in your aura", etc - i never put much stock in it before, but there are so many stories around now about that very thing - there is possibly a grain of truth in that somewhere, if time allows us to sift through and find it - probably some ancient belief that will eventually prove to be true

then again i have been surfing through jobs lately...but i dont think i have any enemies. i would never knowingly piss someone off to that extant but then again i do have my bad days. lol. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/flame.gif)

could be you landed on someone's toe without knowing it - i've done that before, totally unimpressed by their worries, just going about my own business, and vulnerable to their gossipy tactics - i just blew them off and continued on my merry way, leaving them stewing in their own juice

one particular question i have is: Originally the thing that pinned me had an arm. it squeezed the hand around my neck to make feel like i was being choked. i felt the presence was a lot larger then a bird and very masculine but then it immediately changed into something else when it chased after me...and even the bird wasn't acting like a bird. Can spirits shape shift? if yes, why did it shape shift into that??? i was not impressed lol.

i have found that spirits can do pretty much as they please, unless under some sort of binding or control - and the further apart they are from physical existence, the more they are not bound by physical thinking - that's a good word for it 'physical thinking' - i guess we all need to stop 'physically thinking' in terms of this material physical reality and start thinking beyond it, that is if we are ever to ascend beyond this material plane - thanks


edits:
) did the general that got choked by lord vader feel a ghostly, powerful hand and even an arm? - possibly, possibly
) what makes a bird, be a bird? - i thank you for that koan - i love to ponder those!
) does 'physical thinking' tie us to the physical, or is it the other way around, that we are tied to the physical by these bags and that leads to physical thinking?
) oh so much to think about - thanks for the wonderful post!

This post has been edited by esoterica: Aug 20 2008, 07:44 AM

yeah thats makes a lot of sense. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/doh.gif) of course!

i don't think you can be choked in a projection anyway...but it tried to do that to me...to trick me into attaching physical laws to my circumstance, so it could prey on me more easily. right? it didn't work...but it makes sense that it was attacking me in a 'physical' way to keep me from defending myself. it pinned me, right after i realized that i was not in my body. probably to distract me.

im still confused about the bird part though...any earthly creature just seems like an extremely physical choice to me. a good question to ask is: why didn't it choose something else? What did the spirit draw from me, that made it conclude a raven was the best choice? Or...who was it that attacked me that attaches so much power to the raven?

esoterica!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) thanks for the advice...its all very helpful!

I would lean toward this not being a true attack, maybe it was a feinting attack just to see what would happen. It sounds more like a test of some sort or as if someone/thing wants your attention. One thing to remember is if you get pulled out and you think it's an attack try to discover who or what it is, especially if you're in your own home, after all your home is your place of power. Instead of running or shapeshifting instead use that energy to demand knowledge of that creature, if it's still all bad then it's time to jet. Of course this is all so simple to say in retrospect or from a third person perspective but remember the last thing pretty much all attackers want is for his/her/its identity to be let discovered. Think about it, if you who or what it is then you can really fight back.

[quote name='valkyrie' date='Aug 18 2008, 02:12 PM' post='39182']
im not sure if this was an attack or a test...but it was strange. let me explain what happened: i was pulled out of my body into a projection. i was in my house...but my room was too dark to see who it was that pulled me out. i tried to go back to my body but i felt blocked...i couldn't wake myself up! what the heck? i was slammed up against my window, someone had grabbed my neck and pinned me. only for a second, before i wiggled loose and ran out the door and down the stairs. it became clear to me that the invader had control over my environment, so i decided to leave the house and make a dash into an open space so i could defend myself on an even playing field. i thought to transform into a dog...but i decided that was too limited against my foe, and an aerial perspective would be easier to see who was attacking me. i flew in the air and settled high on a tree branch overlooking the house...it was apparent that the entity was not attached to the house and that it was after me...the roof slat was being rented open by the thing as i passed over it...ok so it could fly too? i watched as the slat was punched open and fell to the ground and out came a bird. a bird??! well this was no ordinary bird...if it could attack me in the way that it did...i needed to protect myself...so it flew towards where i was but it didn't immediately see me...so i sprung out of the tree and tried to tackle it. it occurred to me, that if i used my arms to engage this creature we both would fall to the ground (because i wouldn't be able to sustain my flight)...but it was no matter to me because i had to take that risk...either it was going to be stopped or we both would be hurt in the fall. when i grabbed a hold of it...i was jerked back into my body...only to wake up very very very confused. with that, i also felt a strong jab into my stomach...as if it had tried to bite into me.

anyone think this could be a test and not a psychic attack? is this what they talk about when totem animals test you?


Hello Valkyrie,

I would interpret this dream-experience as an attack....The dream suggests that you were battling another "Witch" in the spirit realm. Birds are associated with witches, especially the owl. In addition women who have a natural propensity towards traveling astrally are considered very powerful.
There is a female that holds a grudge against you. You know who this person is, however on a physical level you have not put two and two together. On the other hand, your spirit knows exactly what to do when these attacks occur. Pray over a cup of water and place it at your bedside before retiring for the night. Ancestral spirits and guides are drawn to water....They will assist you.....

Blessings

im not sure if this was an attack or a test...but it was strange. let me explain what happened: i was pulled out of my body into a projection. i was in my house...but my room was too dark to see who it was that pulled me out. i tried to go back to my body but i felt blocked...i couldn't wake myself up! what the heck? i was slammed up against my window, someone had grabbed my neck and pinned me. only for a second, before i wiggled loose and ran out the door and down the stairs. it became clear to me that the invader had control over my environment, so i decided to leave the house and make a dash into an open space so i could defend myself on an even playing field. i thought to transform into a dog...but i decided that was too limited against my foe, and an aerial perspective would be easier to see who was attacking me. i flew in the air and settled high on a tree branch overlooking the house...it was apparent that the entity was not attached to the house and that it was after me...the roof slat was being rented open by the thing as i passed over it...ok so it could fly too? i watched as the slat was punched open and fell to the ground and out came a bird. a bird??! well this was no ordinary bird...if it could attack me in the way that it did...i needed to protect myself...so it flew towards where i was but it didn't immediately see me...so i sprung out of the tree and tried to tackle it. it occurred to me, that if i used my arms to engage this creature we both would fall to the ground (because i wouldn't be able to sustain my flight)...but it was no matter to me because i had to take that risk...either it was going to be stopped or we both would be hurt in the fall. when i grabbed a hold of it...i was jerked back into my body...only to wake up very very very confused. with that, i also felt a strong jab into my stomach...as if it had tried to bite into me.

anyone think this could be a test and not a psychic attack? is this what they talk about when totem animals test you?

Hello there, if it is indeed an attack on you I would suggest paying attention to your surroundings before actually falling asleep. Since this could be key to getting up, if you noticed the culprit(and it is indeed an outside attacker), and catch them prepering and dealing with them while you are awake still and at your best(since in dream\astral wise although the mind is sharp we are usualy caught off guard and in the panic sort out some half assed response).

If you work with an egregor of sorts(god\goddess\gods) you could call upon them as well while this is happaning. They are capable of snnaping you out of it and waking you up even(from personal expirience with a simillar situation in the past).

Think more carefully not only about shielding your enviourment but also ways to shield your energetic body and mind to prevent from such things happaning in the future. Even by communicating to your subconcious the energetic responses you would do to prevent such a being from interacting with while asleep could make your body respond automaticaly and may prevent this from happaning again. Also some monitering of yourself and healing in situations where you are weaker to optimise yourself and also making sure that in your personal reality such actions are forbiden and none existent regarding you could do the trick...

Anyway, think more towards identifying what is going on(alertness) and prevention rather then the actual "how do i deal with it when its happaning" because that you will most likely not have to find out anymore afterwards. Instead of the hard and painfull way. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Instead only when wanted from curiousety which is better in my view.

Best of luck!

Also I dont think it is your totem animal testing you since mine actually came to the rescue once when such a thing happaned to me. (im not the most populer guy when it comes to magick so i guess it happaned a lot more then once hehe but you get my point). Totem animals, like said before me, are there to adjucate you and guide you in manny matters regarding your life. From what i read long ago and barely rememmber xD the totem animal you precieve(after finding it) represents what you lack(and that is open to interpretation). So i doubt it would resort to such means to teach you.

This post has been edited by Shimi: Feb 23 2010, 06:20 PM

Sounded like a test to me. As I've stated in other thread, the animal spirits that attack in the physical or the metaphysical planes are taken as a test to see if your capable of handling their powers or gifts. If it was a raven its connected to prophecy and wisdom. as well as knowledge. They are also the finder of lost things and magick. Studying it might hold the key to your attack.

After it did you notice a lot of ravens calling, or being around you? Any mundane statues, figures, pictures or other items with a raven motif that caught your attention?

You've also stated that you felt a lot more energy after the "attack". Its possible that the spirit found you worthy and have given you a gift as a reward. IIs spell casting a lot easier now? Are seeing things you didn't before? A sudden interest in a area of magick you didn't have before?

Personally I would call the Raven back, and ask it questions. Listen to what it has to say. Follow it if it flies off. See where it leads you.