Ufo's, Your Thoughts? Options

This topic actualy came to my mind yesterday while watching the History channel. Now obviously nobody is going to prove or disprove the existance of Aliens, people from an alternate Earth(s) or any government coverup/ conspiracy.

The intent of the thread is simply to spark a discussion on people's opinions about UFOs. Depending on one's perspective UFOs are real in the sense that they're just that - Unidentified Flying Objects, or USOs - Unidentified Sea Objects. But this also means that just because an individual sees an object in the sky or sea that they don't understand doesn't mean it cannot be explained, not does it mean that are aliens or something just as outlandish.

Through out history and on into the present the current "mind" of the time has tried to explain things in the skys and seas they don't understand using the knowledge and science of the day. Needless to say there are countless accounts from people, sometimes en mass, wittnessing some kind of strange phenomenon in the sky and seas. And these accounts span the ages to the dawn of time itself. Even cave paintings display dipictions of strange humanoid creatures and objects in the sky. Since cave men didn't have written language the only way we could know what they were really trying to express is to go back in time and ask them. Not very likely anytime soon. This is equally true of other ancient "evidence" UFO enthuesiast have pointed to - the Nezca lines, stonehenge, the pyramids and other superstructures, Greek/Roman paintings of fiery chariots or flamming disks and so on in the skys, strange creatures seemingly operating mechanical vehicles in Aztec paintings, pictures of the Gods raining terror from the skies in what may seem like to us as space ships, the saint's encounters with angels were actually aliens. Some even claim the creation of civilization, and possibly humans, itself is due to an alien presance. A few think that these supposed "aliens" are not actually even aliens but ancient peoples who existed here on Earth long before humanity - possibly people from Atlantis.

We could go and on about other such "evidence" that seems to occur on into the 19th century and beyond. In our modern time we've advanced our vocabulary to include expressions of concepts ancient peoples probably couldn't even of dreamed. Because of our technical advancements we've encountered more than just hersey or esoteric piantings and writtings. Now we have numerous amounts of pictures, video coverage of strange objects, supposed radar and sonar coverages, unexlained interferance with electrical devices and so forth. And now even numerous accounts of abductions (some of which supposedly leave strange marks on abductees) as well as cow mutilations. While most (something like 95%) of these have been written off by skeptics and experts there are a few insidents in which the government, skeptics or experts could not or would not offer an explaination - or at least so says "UFO Files" on the History Channel.

So taken all of this "evidence" what do you all think it really means? Do UFOs indicate some unknown, possibly otherworldly, presenance? Or that the Goverment(s) are just using psychology to manipulate the world about its secret programs? Or are people just using their imaginations to try and make sense of the world around them using the knowledge of the time? Perhaps its is actually a combination of these. Then again we all could just be feeding ourselves a bunch of nonesense.

Your take?

This post has been edited by Acid09: Nov 20 2006, 03:11 PM

I voted extraterestrials as I believe there are other civilizations afar in other dimensions and who's to say they cannot be more advanced?

While I do believe in the existance of ETs, various governments have been caught before using technology that highly resembles the atypical "UFO."

UFO´s are none of the above. They are Unidentified Flying Objects. They could be just about anything, even your cat on a skateboard flying around for all you know. They are just things you see in the sky and you dont know what they are. Thats why they are Unidentified and since they are in the sky it is said that they are Flying and if you can see it then it most probably is a conglomeration of mass hence an Object.

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I'm just going to babble for awhile about my thoughts. I'm sort of a sci-fi nut and I'm bored and have nothing better to do anyways. You all may or may not find interesting.

Well my reasoning is that the earth has been around for some 5 billion years and that is an amount of time thats very hard for a human mind to concieve. In our existance we have uncovered so much about our universe and yet have only scratched the surface. If we boil down the amount of time that has passed since our earliest hominid ancestors, about 4 million years, and compare that to the age of the Earth on a clock we've existed for about 3 minutes. Using the same time table analogy suppose there are intelligent beings who have existed for 5 minutes. Still a very short amount of time. About the equavilant of 6 million years. Given that this imaginary alien race evolves just as fast, if not faster, than we do then a 2 million year jump on our mear 4 means they could have evolved beyond our comprehention.

While I do imagine that intelligent life - life that is capable of not only emotion and free thinking but making technology - is extremely rare, I'm sure most of us can agree that there is at least other life forms on other worlds. Lets create an imaginary ratio. Suppose a million to one ratio; a million planets without life to one that has life. Compare that to our galaxy of roughly 200 billion stars, and I'll speculate to say some 2 trillion planets for an average of ten planets per star, means life aside from our own most likely exists. If a million to one is accurate we can estimate roughly 200,000 planets in our galaxy have life. If one in ten of these planets have some form of intelligent life, as described, then roughly 20,000 planets have intelligent life. Now scattered through out the galaxy that's roughly 250,000 light years across and something like 40,000 light years deep, thats certainly few and far between. However given that 5 billion year time table some of these races could be as old or older than our own planet. So old that perhaps they had to leave their original home because they simply out lived their sun's life. Point is if there is intelligent life then I am sure some where some form of it has evolved beyond us. Perhaps so far that they can create other intelligent life forms and space and time are just expressions and nothing more.

Of course we really can't know exactly how many planets there are in the galaxy or what ratio would be a fair estimate to determine how many have life, let alone intelligent life. There are so many other factors; i.e. life that does not feel emotion or is not carbon based or life that exists on some alternate plain coexisting with ours. But just for shits and giggles lets go ahead and make a comparison to the universe, not just our galaxy. If there are roughly 200 billion galaxies and each has about 20,000 intelligent lifeforms then that means there are about 4x10^13 intelligent lifeforms out there, scattered in the vastness of our universe. That number just facinates me 4x10^13 , assuming my math is right of course if you're reading into this go ahead and check to make sure. But even a number half that is still stagering. And since we know so little the number could equally be twice that. We really couldn't know.

So if there are some 4x10^13 intelligent forms of life out there then I think we can safely guess that some are incredibly advanced and some may have adapted to live in and travel space itself. The universe is roughly 15 billion years old. So given all this mathmatical voodoo has any merit then I think its reasonable to believe that this planet has caught the attention of some alien race (simply because its habitable for carbon based life forms) at some point in its 5 billion year existance, perhaps from entirely different galaxy(ies), who knows what, why or how many times something could have visited us.

Ultimately what all of this tells me is that a percentage of UFO sightings may actually be ETs. However I would say that 99.9% of sightings are not aliens. I've seen on the History and NGC channels numerous programs that claim governments are experimenting with new technology and that many UFO sightings are really their experiments. There are also a number of other possibilities - Venus, air plains, satellites, meteors, comets, birds, insects, solar flares and many other things people so adamently assume are aliens. Although given the above paragraphs I think it would be foolish to totally rule out the possibility of alien visitations, if not now then at some point in our history, and if not then why not now?

One thing about UFOs (apart from the above) that makes me sceptical. Look at the descriptions of the UFOs in the 50s. They all seem to be riveted and held together with about the same technology that you would expect to find in Thunderbirds. The descriptions seem to change like a fashion, especially if there have been any good UFO films out that year

Greetings,


Yeah Aliens. Last night a UFO landed on my bird house and stuck a probe up my landlords ass.

Wait a minute……………..

I can never remember anything after the 12th shot of Tequila.

Is this how most UFO stories start?

Yeah man maybe they were like microbial lifeforms from a small planet. So they were small aliens who travel in pixie stick like space ships and they really hurt when you huff them up your nose too. Then again maybe the whole 1 takillya 12 theory is more likely. Then again the probe up the land lords ass might explain a few things - he's really being controled by anal dwelling aliens who want to enslave humanity to a new form of feudalism - trailer parks and projects!!

ah f%*! I need more beer and its cold outside.

Greetings Acid,

The extreme and utter complexities of the universe. You need more beer and its cold outside. AL Gore says that Global Warming is totally cereal and that we should be aware of manboarpig. Its El Nino which is warming up our climate further melting the ice caps and beckoning the next ice age. As the dark lord George Bush steals oil from the non Christians and forbids environment friendly fuels as that would not profit his oil baron Texas family. So although this is one of the warmest winters in recorded history its still too damn cold outside to comfortably go outside for beer. one does not wish to freeze his ball$ off in pursuit of fruitful drunkenness. Why doesn't the damn 7-11 accept take out calls like the Chinese restaurant down the street which fed you your neighbors missing cat? Almost certainly this proves that aliens are ramming probes up cows a$$es. For certainly George Bush is quite alien like and he is ramming it up everyones A$$. Where in the fudge are the weapons of mass destruction? Buried deep within the oil wells of Iraq cries Dick Cheney as he blows of his <friends?> face with a shotgun. We must further contemplate that if the Vice President does not hesitate to blow off his friends face then we must utterly be in deep $hit as the American Public. These freaking aliens must be inserting mind control devices when they ram their probes up rednecks asses. Suddenly it makes total sense why the Vice Presidents first name is Dick as we are all getting thoroughly f@ck3d. Damn aliens!

This post has been edited by Edunpanna: Dec 29 2006, 02:17 AM

Yeah but it wasn't just cold out. It was a blizzard. Not nearly as bad as in other parts of Colorado, but still freezing snow and wind, white out conditions. SO... the store is only 5 blocks away one might say! Well thats 5 blocks for my drunk ass to clear without hitting any fire hydrants, mail boxes, parked cars, kids what ever else might be out in the blizzard. So I put on my heavy winter gear and walked dammit. And the wind was on my face both ways (on my right then on my left side). And there's suppose to be more snow between now and Sunday, err so the weather people say. But good news everybody I got enough provisions to hold out until next Wednesday... unless my friends come over.. damn alcoholics.

But it would be nice if the liqour store had a carry out service. That'd be kick ass.

As for the rest of what you said... can't say I argue but I think you need a beer too.

Damn aliens... Why do they have to put anal probes in people and milk semen out of nut sacks? Perverts. They need to discover alcohol... wait a second... maybe aliens are the reason why I ran out of beer in the first place!

UFO's in my opinion are not extraterrestrial crafts (not that there would be anything wrong with that) but simply classified aircrafts. There is a lot of evidence to suggest this. Also probably the first to think about a Circular type aircraft were the Nazi's. Infact, after the War World 2, USA And Russia scrambled to get the most number of Nazi Scientist to work for them. This happened under a project codenamed "Paperclip" (If memory doesn't serve me wrong, there was another project too, but I can't remember the name). The story about aliens is counter information by the USA Government to protect there very highly classified technology. There is tons of evidence to support this, much more reliable than some dudes that sees a couple of orbs shooting accross the sky.
For example during the 80's, there were repated sightings of a Triangular type UFO...years later it turned out to be the f-117 stealth fighter.

The F-117A Nighthawk Stealth Fighter attack aircraft was developed by Lockheed Martin after work on stealth technology, and the predecessor test demonstrator aircraft, Have Blue, was carried out in secret from 1975. Development of the F-117A began in 1978 and it was first flown in 1981, but it was not until 1988 that its existence was publicly announced. (source: http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/f117/)

So IMO UFO's are not E.T. piloted but just Top Secret Airplanes (And God does the U.S. Government have classified stuff). Maybe far less inspiring to the Sci-Fi fan, but way more probable and way more supported by evidence!!

Humbly,

FraterLvx

PS: Also things like the UFO's disappearing suddenly etc. can be explained with advanced camouflage technology. There are some types of technology currently under developement that would seem straight out of a Sci-Fi movie...For example the U.S government has been developing a type of body armor for infantry troops that will be adapted around 2020, which has the capability of making the soldier "invisible" or "disappear" (optic Camouflage Technology), resistant to any type of enviroment (can go and survive in chemically toxic enviroments etc.), with a helmet that monitors the soldiers vital signs and a lot of other stuff like super resistant bullet proof material etc.
[and this is no secret, it has even been broadcasted on the discovery channel, imagine what the real top secret technologies are...50 or 100 years more advanced than modern day technology....)

This post has been edited by FraterLvx: Dec 31 2006, 02:45 PM

I agree that the military has far more advanced technology than the public. However it does beg the possibility of where the government got their high tech - Japanese and German scientists? Sure thats logical but where did they get their research from? Its possible (though just as unlikely as ET's piloting UFO's) that the Germans, at least, found some alien technology, had their scientists study it then destroy or hide the alien stuff to keep a monopoly on the knowledge they discovered. Unfortunately for the Germans, they lost the war and their science found its way into other hands - our government.

But I don't want to understand human ingenuity either.

Greetings 'FraterLvx',

It does seem fairly well documented that the Air Force has at different times had secret air craft.

Supposedly they tried for a long time tried to replicate an alien craft which crashed. So says the History Channel. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bigwink.gif)

Of course the American Government would never try to cover anything up right? That would be like the recent White House firing Federal Prosecutors for investigating Republicans for corruption.

George Bush says the firings were fair and there is no need to question his people under oath. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/diablo.gif)

Maybe these aliens can help us locate the missing weapons of mass destruction?

The Supreme Court says Bush has to stop listening to our phone conversations. He can still read our mail though and Habeas Corpus is no longer a constitutional right thanks to him.

Hell maybe Bush is an alien. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused012.gif) Or at least the dictator of the 4th Reich.

Seriously though. Anything the Government says has to be true right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/head_hurts_kr.gif)

Maybe these aliens can help us locate the missing weapons of mass destruction?

The aliens are working with our government in great scheme so they took Iraq's weapons and gave them to north Korea and Jesus was an alien rebel

Bush isn't an alien persay - too dumb - he's an autonomaton sent to stupify the world so American Idol will forever remain a hit on Proxima Centuari. Sadly Bush's program files got corrupted in the quantum singularity hyperspace teleportation conversion center and he looks more like a monkey than a person and acts like one too.

As a nationalistic American I'm proud to say I am devoted to the government and trust them without question.







No that wasn't sarcasm either.... or was it?

Sadly Bush's program files got corrupted in the quantum singularity hyperspace teleportation conversion center and he looks more like a monkey than a person and acts like one too.

That would explain why he is always scratching his A$$ and slinging crap at people.

Here is a link to an alien website. http://www.alienshift.com/index.html

Perhaps Bush is merely the puppet on the end-strings of the Illuminati.

And the lumminati are really a bunch of people, possibly alien hybrids who are the puppets of other master aliens who enjoy humiliating people with anal probes and drinking my beer.

^heh. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

For me UFO's fall into the 'who cares?' category of existence. Yeah, there may be life out there, but who's to say it's life as we know it, and whether or not it would recognise US as life and have an interest in us? After all, there are bacteria which eat metal. They first found them at JPL. The kicker is that when they're in spore form they fail all known tests for life. They're alive, but unless they're active we can't see it. So what if we bump into something that's *really* alien, like silicon-based life, chances are we won't know what the hell it is.

I prefer to think about more practical things. And while I love The Outer Limits (both classic and recent), The Twilight Zone, Tales From the Darkside, et. al., I don't believe they're real. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/face08.gif)

This post has been edited by Darkmage: Jul 5 2007, 10:37 AM

i just want one lol
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For me UFO's fall into the 'who cares?' category of existence. Yeah, there may be life out there, but who's to say it's life as we know it, and whether or not it would recognise US as life and have an interest in us? After all, there are bacteria which eat metal. They first found them at JPL. The kicker is that when they're in spore form they fail all known tests for life. They're alive, but unless they're active we can't see it. So what if we bump into something that's *really* alien, like silicon-based life, chances are we won't know what the hell it is.

I share a similar sentiment, though the details are different.

UFO'S? Sure
Aliens? Why not?
Do I care? 99% no.

As far as I believe, if there is life here, I see our planet as one which is on the "Do not interfere" list. Think "Prime Directive" from Star Trek: Do not interfere with the development of any non-warp culture.

If aliens exist, we'd be nothing more than a zoo attraction. Look at the little ants play, mommy! Seriously, if they wanted to contact us and make themselves known, power and technology like that certainly would turn our heads with little effort. So far so good. No major confrontation. Coming out with fanfare, gifts, and the offer to coexist in a massive damn intergalactic space Dance-off is definetely the way to go.

We have sightings of weird things. Could be new technologies. From who, the guess is as good as any. Ask those rothschilds and rockefellers! They have all the money! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/13.gif)

If anything, I love being human, but I still see how in the big scheme of things, humans are still insignificant, so I know where my humility is. We could be better, but we're not so bad off. Some aliens never make it past bacterial stage.

If they want to talk to us, they will do it. They know how. They know our limitations. Nothing is holding them back from narrow-banding their radio frequencies and talking to us....unless there really was a "Avoid this world" policy.

Just my thoughts.

I'm open to the possibilities, but it isn't a major interest of mine. The thing is, that there are so many areas to study and learn about. You can't learn it all in a single lifetime. Honestly, I figure that I might be adequately skilled and knowledgeable about my field by the time that I'm 80. I let others spend their time on UFOs and extra- terrestrial life while I focus on my own stuff.

I voted "yes" to all but the Atlantis business because they are all feasible arguments (in my mind). If you're not familiar with The Disclosure Project, you definitely should be. I don't even know what to think about it myself. The Disclosure Project is a bunch of CIA and other agencies' members coming out and talking about UFO's, Aliens, and stuff like that. There are lots of members in the video each of them has some sort of 'proof' like a video or a document either way they all have a story. The initial video is very long but it's worth seeing if you are into this stuff. I personally think beings from another universe/timezone/somewhere is really cool. Though as a warning, I wouldn't let all this stuff get to your head. I've seen it overwhelm people. All this may, or may not be true either way it's pretty cool.

The Disclosure Project Link to the video: Link
Disclosure Project Website: Link

oh totally i believe in that stuff! until someone completely disproves it to me, who am I (a magick user) to be cynical? besides the galaxy/universe is vast, and life is not all that uncommon a phenomenon. so im just gonna assume, with the theory of evolution leading to natural selection yada yada yada that 'intelligent' life is not all that uncommon either. after all, for several thousand years we had fellow intelligent companions on earth...the cro-magnons! so do i believe that aliens life forms exist...? Totally! Definately! Duh.

whether they have reached our planet...and put all that effort time and energy into making contact with us...and than for whatever reason desided to not contact us? not so much. now that theory tickles my doubtful side just a lil.

As a nationalistic American I'm proud to say I am devoted to the government and trust them without question.
No that wasn't sarcasm either.... or was it?

Either it was sarcasm or you're on acid.