Would You Chose To Be An Angel Demon Or Jinn?, You are dead. A God appears before you and asks you to chose your nex Options

You are dead. A God appears before you and asks you to chose your next incarnation.

Would you chose to be an Angel Demon or Jinn?

You are dead. A God appears before you and asks you to chose your next incarnation.

Would you chose to be an Angel Demon or Jinn?

Jinn. I think that there is a reward to be gained from the responsible application of free will. Angels and Demons, having only the ability to act for either good or evil, seem to have no real 'challenge' in their existence, and we see across all of creation that without challenge, there is little growth. Growth shouldn't need to end with death...

jinn, free will is what I would want, and Vagrant Dreamer's comment supports this (IMG:style_emoticons/default/i_triangle.gif)

I would like to have the qualities of an angel to good people... I would like to have those evil people think of me as demoniac compared to them... Coming to a djinn, i think a human life is much better than that of a Djinn. The djinn have a sort of society a bit similar to humans but i dont know if spiritually they are at the same level as Humans... Humans even if not given lots of power since birth show a very close emotional and spiritual link to the divine.. Then comes peer/society/enviromental stuff that change our preception :-)

So my vote goes to angel + demon .. a sort of duality which outclasses the djin on this level.

God Bless

I would need free will any existeance would be futile wothout it, especially after living as a human.

I'd have to say angel. Although, having the free will to do evil, I'd like to think that being a divine creature I'd be above the need to do evil. That and I'd be a middle person of sending divine messages:D. I also see angels as great teachers, with specific tasks and duties. So, as they say, idle hands are the devil's tools..I'd like to stay busy.

Jinn definetly. Free will to do what you want is where it's at man. GROOVY!

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I choose to be a Jinn, free will is great you can choose to be good or evil at the end you are the one that has to respond for your actions. Been a Jinn is like to be a super human with free will.

I chose Jinn based on free will. I don't think that I'd enjoy being a demon very much but then again, I've never walked in those shoes. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/diablo.gif) An angel would be interesting as I'd like to be able to help people all the time, but then again, all of existance has a balance. Is it right to be forced to do only good even if you know for a fact something bad will come by the resulting imbalace? Overall I think Jinn is the "safe" bet as I believe most of us here like to have all options available. Just my $.02.

Lucid Sun

This post has been edited by Lucid Sun: Sep 18 2006, 01:43 AM

Jinn definitely. Balance is very important to me and sometimes it you have to do a little evil to create the greater good.

Presumably you all are human now. Why would you WANT to be human-like/Djinn/Jinn all over again?

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Djinn! i am not in the mood of typing why,cause it has been said several times! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bicycle.gif)

I choose demon because it would be a change from my normal life. I've lead a happy, do-good life so far and I hate it.

I'd choose Jinn because i'd obviously have power both ways. Though I do not believe in good and evil, but obviously having both powers would be better.

"to defeat your enemy you must know your enemy"

Judging by that quote i'd say that a Jinn would have a winning chance against both "good and evil".

jinn obviously , same reasons as posted by the others, the ability to be free

Greetings to all,

Interesting that so many have chosen Jinn. Could the Jinn class possibly be the next step in a human souls evolution?

I'd choose Jinn because i'd obviously have power both ways. Though I do not believe in good and evil, but obviously having both powers would be better.

"to defeat your enemy you must know your enemy"

Judging by that quote i'd say that a Jinn would have a winning chance against both "good and evil".

Deathstalker
The Jinn have many clans and some do live among us as we speak. I am working on a book at present about the different encounters I have had with them.
Alric

In Islam there are 7 classes of Jinn. The Madrid being the highest class. A Madrid should be able to kill an angel or demon equal to its own strength class. The Necronomicons Bandar is a spirit which seems to fall into the free will Jinn class.

Alric. Have you noticed the Jinn's feet face backwards?

Peace

Jinn...Jinn...umm I read a book on them once...

Good! Evil
Marid Ifrit
Jinn Ghul
Jann Shaitan

Has this anything to do with with REAL Jinn? Because I can't remember the book...So it might have been by some Pscho...

Jinn...Jinn...umm I read a book on them once...

Good! Evil
Marid Ifrit
Jinn Ghul
Jann Shaitan

Has this anything to do with with REAL Jinn? Because I can't remember the book...So it might have been by some Pscho...

Ghul and Shaitan I am unsure of but the others are correct. My memory seems a bit rusty.

Jinn. I think that there is a reward to be gained from the responsible application of free will. Angels and Demons, having only the ability to act for either good or evil, seem to have no real 'challenge' in their existence, and we see across all of creation that without challenge, there is little growth. Growth shouldn't need to end with death...

What makes you think that angels or demons do not have free will? An angel chooses good because they are comfortable with it. A demon would choose evil because it is part of who they -are-. Free will? Of course. They can choose otherwise any way they see fit, but must accept consequences.

An angel may be on earth and see promiscuity today and have his/her heart broken over a bisexual girlfriend wanting another 'playmate'. A demon may leave a prude just because they want some action. An angel may feel uncomfortable in a drug orgy, a demon might get sick just from being around a ballroom waltz party. Who knows? It's all a matter of perception and lifestyle. I for one, would like to count myself as an Angel. I like monogamy. I like sexual conservancy. I like being "good." I like being honest about my feelings to a fault. I cringe just thinking people would share lovers like they do now. "mooks" and "midriffs" creep me out and depress me. Liars enrage me. I have a hard time trusting because I see many around me against what I stand for.

I know it's something I must accept as a sign of the times, but at least I want to be acknowledged for what I am, who I am, what I live for, and what I stand for. Soemtimes I will have to do things I DON'T like. Why? Just because it has to be done. I see good and evil in a more ambiguous, ambivalent way such as doing what must be done is good, and not doing so is evil, all in the context of making a change for the better. It's a state of mind that one aquires overime, really.

What makes you think that angels or demons do not have free will? An angel chooses good because they are comfortable with it. A demon would choose evil because it is part of who they -are-. Free will? Of course. They can choose otherwise any way they see fit, but must accept consequences.

Greetings Wrdscience,

The Quran is a little bit different from the Bible. In the Bible Angels do have free choice and they rebell from Heaven in a war.

In the Quran it is impossible for an angel to do evil. And a spirit class not mentioned in the Bible is mentioned in the Quran. This spirit class is called Jinn.

It seemed to make sense to me to set the poll up as angels only being able to do good and demons only able to do evil as otherwise there would be no JInn class. In that all spirits would be Jinn or have free will from that point of view. While I agree that this is the perspective of the Christians on angels that they can and will do evil at any given time its not my point of view. In my mind if God created angels who are going to rape women and start wars then God must be stupid. In that I do not believe that God is stupid I strongly doubt many things said in the Bible. Such as about the Egregore.


Peace

Great Poll. But isn't "to be human, jinn?" No, I guess that was "divine."

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Quite true, in a perspective. I understand.

However, the approach I encompassed was one not particularly of either Christian or Islamic preference. I made this one purely on both experience, intuition, and my own beliefs. From what I have learned from various schools of thought regarding celestial beings, there is a certain ambivalence that supercedes even the highest levels of human understanding. The closest way to attribute this is meditation on a Zen-Taoist blend of meditative gnosis. From there, all notions of "good" or "evil" seem to transcend all moral code, to a dynamic that no longer identifies a "what," but a "how."

Thus, it is my belief that the nature of what is of heaven/celestial/angelic/creation/divine/the absolute (please keep note that I used a clustered abstract to best pinpoint my implied connotations) is to "do what must be done" for the sake of the continuity of existence and transcendent reality. Justly so in accordance with this dynamic, demons or "evil" would be defined as "against that which is divine," or in this case, "that which is against existence," or for clarification's sake, "to not do what must be done." This plays along the idea of pointing out the deadly sin of "sloth."

Seeing as how, in this perspective, that existence is what IS (reference to Biblical answer of asking God's name; "I AM WHO AM/I AM/I am that which IS") it represents the truth, of which is still being sought by humankind. There is no real lie or truth, but a lie to a direction and a truth to BE in the present and in balance. When one is centered, all things are possible, all directions may be viewed with their contexts as well, they exist in the present, and there is nothing that is impossible. To go up when one is going down is a lie. to go left when going right does not seem feasible. But, when centered in a microcosmic parallel to the universe, existence, and the statement of "I AM" itself, all is possible, hence the basic belief that under guidance of the heavens, all things are possible.

Another bit that contributed to my conclusion was the chakras and their esoteric signifigances. The root speaks of what "is," and one step up is the reasoning of the sacrum, of "what goes." Further up from this is the plexus which may signify "I think/what thinks/there is thinking/I think therefore I AM." In this sense, it is easy to find out the "what," of good and evil, but when taken to a higher level of dynamic, the "how it works," we may soon transcend all things, and find out the great divine mystery of "why" (signified by the esoteric dominion of the Crown chakra).

Even so, when one has ascended this, it is to be found in but a sphere in itself, a "jacob's ladder," if you will, where the sephiroth and the Chakral queue all coalesce into but a new singular sphere and or chakra. After finding the why, you figure the "what," thus starting the dynamic all over again, but on a level much transcended from where once was before. Speaking with the terms of the esoteric dynamic of the sacral chakra, the "how," I now define that the "divine/heaven/God/good/existence" is but a direction, and the destination can never be sought nor pinpointed, as the greek philosopher Xeno had related (the Eternal Midpoint Paradox).

THIS is how I define what is good or evil in my world. Summing it up, what is divine and good goes in accordance with this dynamic, and thus, being in the understanding of the -how-, move towards existence by doing what must be done to uphold existence and it's order. Abstractly, it is also divine to stoke the fires of chaos, just as a blacksmith may adjust his furnace, so that his works and implementations may be brought forth from his soul, and into existence. BOTH factor into each other, as order and chaos.

But, all things considered, and the fact that I am ONLY human, it's just a theory anyways. But hey! It works for me! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smartass.gif)

*looks* What...did...I just...write that!? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shok.gif)

Uhm.....yeah....Sorry!

Greetings'Mezu',

Jinn are very much like humans. Like us they have free will. However their powers can be just as great as any angel or demon. Free agents. neither bad nor good. They help decide the balance. It is interesting that more people have voted to be a Jinn than to lose that free will. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/angel.gif)

As told in the Text of Solomon!
Solomon was given over 1 million legions of djinn to controle!

No were did it say he had 1 million Angels!

Djinn are in the void---Djinn are in the Now ---- Do not A-Void the here & now!!!

Angels fell out of grace 7 turned to Demons!

The Djinn did not Fall from grace!

They still hold their Status from The Begining of time till the End of time!!!

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It is interesting in that the Quran says it was Jinn who rebelled on heaven and not Angels. While in the Torah it says it was angels.

Peace!

Hi All!

I chose Jinn as well purely because of the free will aspect!

There are interesting moral questions raised about free will and good / evil with regards to belief and knowing about the gods etc raised in the movie Constantine...
Excellent movie! If you havent seen it, then I recommend it!

So I would prefer to keep my free will as well! add to that the power of a Jinn and that would be sweet!

My 2 cents!

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That was a good movie! He took the role very seriously and trained with real exorcists and did some exorcisms to learn how to play the part. He is one of the Princes of Jordan, Son of the King of Jordon.

keanu reeves likes to ride his motorcycle here in NYC at night. He does it around Wall street in the financial district. Basically that part of the city is dead at night and the cops know him and allow him to zip around without ticketing him.

As he was born Muslim I am sure that he believes in Jinn. Obviously he believes in Angels and Demons to perform real exorcisms.


Peace!

Hey! Good one Smasher!

Thats interesting - I did not know Keanu Reeves was a muslim?! ah, learn something new everyday!

But yeah! Constantine is a cool movie and a very cool character - also to be found in comics and with some connection to Sandman and Niel Gaiman - a whole lot of excellent mythology there!
It would be interesting to really find out what the Church really knows about exorcisms and what stuff they have in their libraries that they won't release to the general public?!
A bit off topic though! Sorry!

I still believe Jinn is the way to go! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Cheers!