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grim789
post Feb 17 2010, 01:04 AM
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Is satan (Lucifer) really evil i mean if you follow christian beliefs. I know he is supposed to be the most evil being/deity ever. But what happened to the souls of those who were bad before Lucifer became the devil i mean once he was Gods highest regarded angel. So is it to be assumed that every one was just perfect before satan come around. Or was God just scared that Lucifer was becoming more powerful or just as powerful and decided that he wanted to remain supreme. So he banished Satan was god just being power hungry and didnt want to share his rule? Anyone have any thoughts on this i do not believe in christ or any of that personally but i do like to know as much as possible so when people (general people in my area are christian) question what i belive i can put it to them so to say. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sport_boxing.gif)


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post Aug 13 2010, 07:14 AM
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QUOTE(Xenomancer @ Aug 12 2010, 08:18 PM) *

I argue that in no way does "Satan" truly oppose "God," because the two are inextricably bound to each other, if the Christian faith is placed under scrutiny. If other world views are taken into account, Satan, as the Christans know, does not truly exist. There is no ABSOLUTE evil or adversary, able to be separated in mind and/or vaccuum, to the human race except the human race itself.


Well I don't mean to miss your point but I do have a different opinion so hopefully it can be cleared up. Your last post cleared up what you meant quite well (to me) so I will sum up what I think a little better now that I see what you mean. That part that is in bold, that's just the part I don't agree with. I am a Christian and so I believe that Satan does physically exit in one being, and that they are not inextricably bound to each other for the reason that God was before Satan, and God will be after Satan.

But if someone isn't a Christian (or a Jew) then I see perfectly well where you are coming from and how that does make sense. If I am wrong hopefully it won't take me to many years to figure it out, and I'll keep this in mind. I am aware of archetypes and believe what you said. It's just I believe it a little differently and with something extra.

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post Aug 16 2010, 02:21 AM
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QUOTE(☞Tomber☜ @ Aug 13 2010, 08:14 AM) *

I am a Christian and so I believe that Satan does physically exit in one being, and that they are not inextricably bound to each other for the reason that God was before Satan, and God will be after Satan.

But if someone isn't a Christian (or a Jew) then I see perfectly well where you are coming from and how that does make sense. If I am wrong hopefully it won't take me to many years to figure it out, and I'll keep this in mind. I am aware of archetypes and believe what you said. It's just I believe it a little differently and with something extra.


Very cool that you can keep your Christian perspective and also see how and why other people walk as they do in their own shoes. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)

Wish more New Agers, Thelemites, et cetera, could do the same thing visa vie their own beliefs.

(Obviously, the one and only Xenomancer doesn't have a problem doing this. And I think his summary of the "basic nut" of the argument is correct.)

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grim789   Satan Good Or Bad   Feb 17 2010, 01:04 AM
Dancing Coyote   Is satan (Lucifer) really evil i mean if you foll...   Feb 17 2010, 12:46 PM
grim789   Yeah i do not see "Good" or "Evil...   Feb 17 2010, 10:47 PM
Dreamer   Even in a christian sense, from my point of view t...   Feb 26 2010, 09:08 PM
grim789   Even in a christian sense, from my point of view ...   Mar 2 2010, 04:54 PM
th0th   Is satan (Lucifer) really evil i mean if you follo...   Apr 8 2010, 01:58 AM
grim789   Thank you thoth for the post it was very informati...   Apr 17 2010, 05:13 PM
th0th   No problem. Let them think whatever they want. ...   Apr 20 2010, 05:17 AM
Vagrant Dreamer   then i got a lecture on how the bible is just th...   Apr 20 2010, 07:42 AM
esoterica   >>i wanted so bad to just tell her how damn ...   Apr 20 2010, 08:37 AM
grim789   Well i would like to think you all for the post th...   Apr 20 2010, 04:20 PM
esoterica   >> believe that jesus was a real man jesus ...   Apr 21 2010, 10:34 AM
grim789   No im not open about my occult practices just more...   Apr 21 2010, 03:09 PM
esoterica   good to hear, you are smart to understand and avoi...   Apr 21 2010, 07:24 PM
AETheric   I don't think Satan is evil if he's the ad...   Jul 30 2010, 06:16 PM
☞Tomber☜   You're asking the wrong question. Good or bad...   Aug 11 2010, 09:51 PM
Xenomancer   The concept of Satan, objectively, is not so muc...   Aug 12 2010, 03:31 PM
☞Tomber☜   To say Satan is evil is to mean that the American...   Aug 12 2010, 05:23 PM
Xenomancer   If that's you're response, then you...   Aug 12 2010, 07:18 PM
Xenomancer   And it's that fundamental belief that, after...   Aug 13 2010, 04:35 PM

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