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So I managed to detect a malevolent spirit attached to my friend. I trapped it and shielded him, but something ELSE broke it out and now they're both feeding off of his energy. I'm fighting it off as best I can, but I need help... he's falling asleep. What do I do? I'm pulling out all the stops but I fight them off and they return immediately. What do I do?

So I got rid of the demons, but there was an unusual phenomenon that I wanted to ask you guys about...

It appears as if he was a portal through which demons could enter our world. I blocked it, but it's still there and deep in the core of his astral body and I don't know what to do about it.

Has anyone ever observed this before? I've never even heard of a person becoming a portal before.

So I got rid of the demons, but there was an unusual phenomenon that I wanted to ask you guys about...

It appears as if he was a portal through which demons could enter our world. I blocked it, but it's still there and deep in the core of his astral body and I don't know what to do about it.

Has anyone ever observed this before? I've never even heard of a person becoming a portal before.

Umm, I think the more likely explanation is that you have misinterpreted what you observed. He might have had some kind of incorporeal issue around him, but demons? And an open portal in him? Demons don't need a "portal" into 'this world'.

What else was going on at the time? What was the situation, what kind of person is this individual, you do have any idea of what kinds of things were going on in his life at the time, etc? Can you give a more complete picture of the conditions surrounding this 'event'?

And if the demons did get into our world, what do you think would have happened? What was the evidence that they were trying to get through this 'portal'?

With the frequency that these kinds of things are 'reported', and the common factors among those that usually are the ones reporting these things, well.... it is unsurprising that those particular people happen to be the ones to whom these things 'happen'.

peace

Umm, I think the more likely explanation is that you have misinterpreted what you observed. He might have had some kind of incorporeal issue around him, but demons? And an open portal in him? Demons don't need a "portal" into 'this world'.

What else was going on at the time? What was the situation, what kind of person is this individual, you do have any idea of what kinds of things were going on in his life at the time, etc? Can you give a more complete picture of the conditions surrounding this 'event'?

And if the demons did get into our world, what do you think would have happened? What was the evidence that they were trying to get through this 'portal'?

With the frequency that these kinds of things are 'reported', and the common factors among those that usually are the ones reporting these things, well.... it is unsurprising that those particular people happen to be the ones to whom these things 'happen'.

peace

They were demons. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about as far as this goes. It was certainly a portal of some sort (whether between worlds or location in this world is a matter of beliefs) because another came through it.

He's been having emotional trouble lately with breakups and potential hookups and he's just pretty messed up in general (just.. his head is all mixed up). He's a pretty nice guy and is extremely intense about his music. The conditions were he was constantly drained all the time and had been excessively horny lately and he, knowing about my magickal skills, asked me to look into it. I'm an empath and often receive visions and the visions I received were a dark gray skull floating in a black pillar of smoke or fog or something and a girl on her hands and knees with blood dripping down her chin. She didn't look like anybody either of us knew.

They were just parasitically draining him. I managed to basically faraday cage the first spirit but afterwards I was too exhausted to break it away from him totally. Later he told me he was feeling exhausted and was about to crash, so I checked and the initial demon was being broken out by something I couldn't see. At this time I became aware of the portal, because a much larger demon emerged from it and finished breaking out the first one (it had been the force prying open the cage to begin with).

I called on my guardian spirits and the elements. I fought off the two demons with aid from them and something happened and the portal I had initially sensed changed form. I'm not sure how or why, but it looked different. I shielded him and he's been fine ever since, but a plethora of spirits are bouncing off the shield.

If what you're scrying is actually genuine, it sounds more like larvae or schemata to me: beings created and perpetuated by the person in question. Obsessive thinking tends to create these types of parasitic/vampiric entities which live in tandem with the host. Considering the emotional state of your friend, conditions are ripe.

I would recommend you advocate some sort of ritual purification and thought control for your friend. Caution him most especially against obsessive thinking. Should the beings in question be schemata, only he will be capable of permanently removing them. An approach that works is to become aware, give shape to, and systematically banish each entity. This is something your friend must do, not you; though you can provide the "tool-kit".

Your effectiveness is limited in this regard, should the beings in question truly be separate from your friend, they should depart without returning when banished successfully. The re-occurrence indicates that he is maintaining things himself. Your role in this is much closer to the psychiatrist than the adept.

Ex

They were demons. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about as far as this goes. It was certainly a portal of some sort (whether between worlds or location in this world is a matter of beliefs) because another came through it.

He's been having emotional trouble lately with breakups and potential hookups and he's just pretty messed up in general (just.. his head is all mixed up). He's a pretty nice guy and is extremely intense about his music. The conditions were he was constantly drained all the time and had been excessively horny lately and he, knowing about my magickal skills, asked me to look into it. I'm an empath and often receive visions and the visions I received were a dark gray skull floating in a black pillar of smoke or fog or something and a girl on her hands and knees with blood dripping down her chin. She didn't look like anybody either of us knew.

They were just parasitically draining him. I managed to basically faraday cage the first spirit but afterwards I was too exhausted to break it away from him totally. Later he told me he was feeling exhausted and was about to crash, so I checked and the initial demon was being broken out by something I couldn't see. At this time I became aware of the portal, because a much larger demon emerged from it and finished breaking out the first one (it had been the force prying open the cage to begin with).

I called on my guardian spirits and the elements. I fought off the two demons with aid from them and something happened and the portal I had initially sensed changed form. I'm not sure how or why, but it looked different. I shielded him and he's been fine ever since, but a plethora of spirits are bouncing off the shield.

So he's he's a creative teenager with emotional problems? Gasp, he's been excessively horny? Tired all the time? These conditions are entirely normal for a young man in the midst of puberty, he'll likely be there until he's 18 and then slowly level out until he's about 23.

I'm not suggesting you didn't really see all of this happen in your mind's eye, I'm suggesting you imagined it vividly (or maybe not so vividly, I don't know how much it takes for you to believe it, for some people it is entirely vague). But that you imagined it all the same. Your friend is not a portal for demons, there isn't a portal in him, and you did not do battle with demons to save him.

You likely sensed imbalances caused by his being in puberty, assuming you have developed an objective empathic skill (in other words you're past the point where you see what you want to see most of the time), and the part of your mind that wants to engage in duels of magical powers to make you feel good about yourself generated this psychodrama internally. There could be a million reasons for this so I won't speculate, but it's very common, and our culture especially fosters the mindset that gives rise to these internal experiences by teaching us that we're all special. You take that for granted, most likely, and think our country treats you like a cog in the machine, no?

You demonstrate at virtually every turn that you yourself are basically a normal teenage boy. I would have hated hearing that at your age so it probably infuriates you. Since I'm rude and offensive, feel free to curse me for it. From cursing your best friend's dad (or saying you are going to at least, I suppose I shouldn't be worried), to establishing a 'magical EPA', to battling demons coming out of your friend's astral portal rash, to being visited by the archangel michael to be informed that you are a light wielder for Jesus - everything you engage in here is clearly intended to make you feel better about yourself by gathering attention, interest, and showing how capable you are. (I literally just browsed your entire posting history and did not find one post reflecting realistic, grounded, genuine expression of actual magical experience.)

Oh, you're an intelligent kid, I know that you aren't stupid. But you are either playing pretend, or genuinely delusional. I think you probably know which it is (which means ultimately that you're playing pretend). And I'm sure there's a note coming up about driving people away from the forum with all this "Your experiences aren't real cause your a teen" nonsense. You left once already because of it - and then came back, because you never intended to leave in the first place, you intended to attract attention and concern.It's not about you, though, its about the difference between the guy 1 who says he not only saw bigfoot, but bigfoot came to his door and communicated with him, and he knows where bigfoot lives and visits him regularly, but no he can't tell you it would be giving away this gentle creature's secrets; and guy 2 who may mistakenly believe there is a bigfoot out there, but instead decides that he should be studying cryptozoology, learning to track, going out to hunt down evidence and improving his methods when things aren't panning out - but he never claims to have seen bigfoot yet, even if he still believes.

Both believe in something dubious and unsupported, but one of them generates fantasies about it, and the other goes about finding out for himself in a reasonable and grounded approach absent fantasy or delusion (except possibly that there is a bigfoot, who knows.)

You are unlikely to stop this nonsense, I know, I wouldn't have admitted it when I was EXACTLY where you are now (did you see the thread "so you think you're special?" - I even had a comparable "lightwielder" phase!) Although who knows, maybe you're smarter than I was at that age. To attempt to salvage what might become a genuinely brilliant occult mind, I am going to call you out at every turn from now on.

Whaddya say?

If what you're scrying is actually genuine, it sounds more like larvae or schemata to me: beings created and perpetuated by the person in question. Obsessive thinking tends to create these types of parasitic/vampiric entities which live in tandem with the host. Considering the emotional state of your friend, conditions are ripe.

I would recommend you advocate some sort of ritual purification and thought control for your friend. Caution him most especially against obsessive thinking. Should the beings in question be schemata, only he will be capable of permanently removing them. An approach that works is to become aware, give shape to, and systematically banish each entity. This is something your friend must do, not you; though you can provide the "tool-kit".

Your effectiveness is limited in this regard, should the beings in question truly be separate from your friend, they should depart without returning when banished successfully. The re-occurrence indicates that he is maintaining things himself. Your role in this is much closer to the psychiatrist than the adept.

Ex

I'm gonna go ahead and thank Ex Lux for submitting something productive for once. I'll be sure to let him know.

Vagrant, I'm not going to curse you because you annoy me sometimes. Secondly, I'm not all talk, I did curse him, and it worked very effectively. It sounds to ME like you just can't believe that anything that hasn't happened to you has happened to other people because that would mean that there are people who are different, that there are people who are chosen and it would also mean that you are not one of them.

Your entire objection is based on the fact that we're teenagers. We've been teenagers for several years already and we know what it's like. Excessively horny meant moreso than usual in the short-term, not including when you're not full of hormones; it was unusual even as a teenager. Maybe weariness is a symptom of being a teenager, but I've never observed your average teenager come off of a solid 9 hours in bed extremely hyper and decline into such a depth of exhaustion that they needed to sleep immediately in the space of 15 minutes. I'm not sure what kind of teenage years you had, but that's not normal. For anybody.

You're ruling out that person 1 may be telling the truth simply because you don't think he is, and if he doesn't show you himself you'll never know. If you want me to explain in-depth how my powers work, just ask and I won't hesitate. Try to keep an open mind. Furthermore, it'd be rather hard for anybody to become person two were they in circumstances in which cryptozoology and tracking were not available for them to study, which happens to be the case for me. I am not able to commit myself to the occult in any way, shape or form at the moment, but I'm stacking all my courses and reading towards anthropology so that I am able to learn about other cultures, and more specifically, their religious beliefs and traditions that I can incorporate into my practice.

As it happens, I have read the thread you mentioned. And I totally agree. I'm not claiming the light-wielders are some secret organization that's existed for oh so long or that I have some "special powers" or some (IMG:style_emoticons/default/horse.gif) like that. I'm telling you what I saw. If you want to say it's a dream, go ahead (that's why I posted it in the Dream Works forum), but don't say it didn't exist and don't call me delusional, because I'm not claiming that any of this comes easily to me; I have sacrificed grades to study and practice what is available to me, despite how small that body of knowledge is at the present. I've completed many spells over the course of the months I've been gone and they've all been effective, and they've all been simple average spells like everybody else would use; candles, prayers and concentration.

I think you misunderstand me. My imagination is active, but outside of the world of dreams I never have trouble differentiating between reality and what it gives me. I'm not claiming to be special, I'm providing actual experiences to you. As you pointed out, I'm not stupid, so I only post things that I don't understand up here, that's why they all seem ridiculous; I only put them up because I find them ridiculous and need to see if I'm incorrect or on track. As it happens, most of my more average magickal experiences go to another site where I find the user body much wiser and more capable as a whole (not saying that there aren't great people on this forum, but as you so readily point out, there are... others). I'll provide you with links if you want, but many of my posts disappeared when the site changed servers recently.

To be honest, I don't really seek attention. I tend to avoid it for the most part, to be honest. I have a lot of friends at school, but I'm not really the life of the party for the most part. Sure I have a band, but I play backup guitar and sing backup, both of which get you no credit. I avoid my parents at all costs and never tell them about my grades, which, for the most part, are good. I've doubled up my classwork and outstripped everybody in Spanish, but I deliberately dropped my grade to a "B" to avoid the spotlight. I loathe attention, but sometimes I need advice, which is when I turn to this forum.

And, to me anyway, it sounds like you're trying to be the next Bym, which is a feat beyond the greatest of us.

I'm gonna go ahead and thank Ex Lux for submitting something productive for once. I'll be sure to let him know.

Vagrant, I'm not going to curse you because you annoy me sometimes. Secondly, I'm not all talk, I did curse him, and it worked very effectively. It sounds to ME like you just can't believe that anything that hasn't happened to you has happened to other people because that would mean that there are people who are different, that there are people who are chosen and it would also mean that you are not one of them.

Everyone has a role to play in life, everyone is chosen by life - whether they decide to choose that life or not - I live my purpose every day. I have had visions of deities, angels, and more, and been told a lot of different things. Over time, I was able to begin parsing out real visions from fantasies and psychodramas.

I knew a lady once, who went to a locally renowned exorcist because she was sure that she was being obsessed by an evil spirit of some sort. He informed her that she was indeed being troubled by some kind of negative hyper-dimensional lizard entity. She was relieved that he was able to help her out, having been called by his angel guides to do this work and having been instructed accordingly to do it.

When i met her about three or four months later, during that summer, I learned that she had the same symptoms, redirected to other parts of her life, and was now wearing a crazy quantum stabilization bracelet, had picked up a crystal, and started some kind of energy clearing group class because she could feel that her energy was out of balance. He hadn't fixed anything for her, he had played out the end of her demon-obsession psychodrama and she had moved right along to another psychodrama to play out the same story again.

You think that I, for one, care whether or not you or anyone else is 'chosen'. I don't. Secondly, you seem to think I make some kind of value judgement about you or anyone else. I haven't. I don't disbelieve because it would mean I am less if it were true, because I'm well aware of what I am at this point, and 'less' or 'more' doesn't play into that.

I disbelieve because I hear empty words. I have heard them repeated over and over again by dozens and dozens of people, not just you, and not all teenagers. But in my opinion, its the teens who have half a chance of being redirected, which is the only reason I bring the age factor up at all.

Your entire objection is based on the fact that we're teenagers. We've been teenagers for several years already and we know what it's like. Excessively horny meant moreso than usual in the short-term, not including when you're not full of hormones; it was unusual even as a teenager. Maybe weariness is a symptom of being a teenager, but I've never observed your average teenager come off of a solid 9 hours in bed extremely hyper and decline into such a depth of exhaustion that they needed to sleep immediately in the space of 15 minutes. I'm not sure what kind of teenage years you had, but that's not normal. For anybody.

You make that assumption because I said the word teenager, and it got your hackles up because no one takes you seriously when you're fifteen. My objection was based on the content, not your age. You haven't finished being a teen, so you actually don't know what it can be like until it's all over. Absolutely any adult male on the forum, any doctor of either sex, will tell you that what you just described is entirely normal for a teenage boy. I was never a teenage girl so I can't speak for their gender.

Extremes of all emotional and physiological states periodically throughout puberty is part of the process. That's why teenage love is world shatteringly intense; why you can sleep all day, wake up and eat a house, go right back to sleep, and then stay up for three days straight. I had plenty of periods like that when I was that age, and so did ALL of my male friends at the time. I haven't kept up with too many teens since then, but I've put a reasonably detailed emphasis on physiological development in my education to deal with postural distortions and fascial adhesions common to late adolescents in my practice. Your description of your friend is textbook, not special at all.

You're ruling out that person 1 may be telling the truth simply because you don't think he is, and if he doesn't show you himself you'll never know. If you want me to explain in-depth how my powers work, just ask and I won't hesitate. Try to keep an open mind. Furthermore, it'd be rather hard for anybody to become person two were they in circumstances in which cryptozoology and tracking were not available for them to study, which happens to be the case for me. I am not able to commit myself to the occult in any way, shape or form at the moment, but I'm stacking all my courses and reading towards anthropology so that I am able to learn about other cultures, and more specifically, their religious beliefs and traditions that I can incorporate into my practice.

High school may very well have changed a lot since I was there. Stacking courses towards cultural and religious anthropology was not an option where I went to school.

You seem to have gotten this idea that because I'm not familiar with your unique ways and approaches and powers, I therefore don't believe you. That isn't the case - I've seen enough now to know when I'm seeing the truth, and when I'm seeing a story, whether the speaker believes that story or not. Because I've seen the SAME story told over and over again under the same circumstances by the same kinds of people. If the majority of those individuals proved themselves to be liars and crazies of some sort, it follows that when the same circumstances present themselves again, this is likely the case. We actually had a story about a portal and demons coming through RIGHT HERE on THIS FORUM maybe last year or the year before. Of course, this individual was rather offering to share power with those who helped him open it.

As it happens, I have read the thread you mentioned. And I totally agree. I'm not claiming the light-wielders are some secret organization that's existed for oh so long or that I have some "special powers" or some (IMG:style_emoticons/default/horse.gif) like that. I'm telling you what I saw. If you want to say it's a dream, go ahead (that's why I posted it in the Dream Works forum), but don't say it didn't exist and don't call me delusional, because I'm not claiming that any of this comes easily to me; I have sacrificed grades to study and practice what is available to me, despite how small that body of knowledge is at the present. I've completed many spells over the course of the months I've been gone and they've all been effective, and they've all been simple average spells like everybody else would use; candles, prayers and concentration.

You haven't really sacrificed anything yet. If you're serious though, you will eventually.

Were all of them intended to close demon portals and put farraday cages around spirits? (didn't kaboom say he was put in a farraday cage as a child for some length of months in another thread?) Pray, tell me how you construct a farraday cage to do this.

If you've been using candles, and praying, and concentration, then good for you. I'm not suggesting, and never did, that you weren't really practicing any kind of magic at all, that you just come here and make every word up. 50% BS is still 50% BS whatever the other 50% also happens to be. I'm suggesting that you did not do battle with demons and seal up a portal in your friend's astral body, or pin a spirit up in a farraday cage (which is just ridiculous anyway, it assumes that subtle energy functions like electricity).

I think you misunderstand me. My imagination is active, but outside of the world of dreams I never have trouble differentiating between reality and what it gives me. I'm not claiming to be special, I'm providing actual experiences to you. As you pointed out, I'm not stupid, so I only post things that I don't understand up here, that's why they all seem ridiculous; I only put them up because I find them ridiculous and need to see if I'm incorrect or on track. As it happens, most of my more average magickal experiences go to another site where I find the user body much wiser and more capable as a whole (not saying that there aren't great people on this forum, but as you so readily point out, there are... others). I'll provide you with links if you want, but many of my posts disappeared when the site changed servers recently.

To be honest, I don't really seek attention. I tend to avoid it for the most part, to be honest. I have a lot of friends at school, but I'm not really the life of the party for the most part. Sure I have a band, but I play backup guitar and sing backup, both of which get you no credit. I avoid my parents at all costs and never tell them about my grades, which, for the most part, are good. I've doubled up my classwork and outstripped everybody in Spanish, but I deliberately dropped my grade to a "B" to avoid the spotlight. I loathe attention, but sometimes I need advice, which is when I turn to this forum.

Oh? Why post your magical experiences at all then? If they work out, these 'average' magical experiences, then what kind of feedback do you need? If you have a method that works, why do you need another to do the same thing? I'm not suggesting here that we shouldn't share experiences and trade methods, and so on. Someone who took the subject seriously would note that you used the phrase 'to be honest' twice almost one after the other. It's considered a kind of tell. I don't take the subject to seriously myself, most people don't express themselves clearly typing the way they would speaking.

The individual who claims to hate praise and attention, often does so secretly because making a show of directing the attention away is a way of finding that attention while looking as though they don't want it. You'd think that it means that everyone wants attention then - which, for almost everyone, is true. If you really hated attention all that much, one would think you would downplay your experiences enough to get the answers you wanted while conserving the meat and potatoes of your experiences. Accurate answers can be had this way, but of course, you don't get to show off your experiences. Demon portals and farraday cages. I think that kind of points out the differences right there.

And, to me anyway, it sounds like you're trying to be the next Bym, which is a feat beyond the greatest of us.

You've been here since march. You barely knew Bym. I knew him personally, not just through a forum, for four years. You don't even know what you're trying to say with that comment, and it highlights your immaturity.

I wonder what the 'wiser and more capable' crowd thought about this demon portal business? Or did you not ask them because it was a less 'average' subject?

I'm gonna go ahead and thank Ex Lux for submitting something productive for once. I'll be sure to let him know.

Vagrant, I'm not going to curse you because you annoy me sometimes. Secondly, I'm not all talk, I did curse him, and it worked very effectively. It sounds to ME like you just can't believe that anything that hasn't happened to you has happened to other people because that would mean that there are people who are different, that there are people who are chosen and it would also mean that you are not one of them.

LMAO (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mf_popeanim.gif) c'mon man you've already admitted that the occult isn't a full time thing for you, let people in who can empathize with your EXPERIENCE. Sure we've all got our own road I know, but don't bedrudge Vagrant and others on the board of their need to help you on yours, trust me it's worth it.

Personally, I'm with VD, you're misinterpreting events, the first sign of this is that in 'fighting' you ended up exhausted, if it's really all you say then it shouldn't be that much of a chore. There are other signs but it's really not important. What is important is this, don't get drawn out, this is a high school friend, sure he might be your greatest friend ever now, but friendships in youth last long not always, what I mean: let him fight his own battles, let him grow, if you want to use a smidge of energy, then do it, but if you start emptying your reserves because your homie says 'help me yo' then you're gonna get played eventually. Just a heads up.

Absolutely everything written here reeks of fantasy. ..demon portals, cages, and the magical battles of a practitioner who is betrayed by the content of his posts as a novice- clearly a smart, and knowledgeable individual, but just as clear someone who still has a long path to pave in their magical work.

We must not confuse the concept of irrational universal experiences - the ultimate goal of esoteric and magical initiation- with delusional cerebral fantasy. To do so goes against the very foundation of esoteric and magical practice. To make any serious progress in esoteric pursuits we must let this fantasy go...start from the basics, learn to literally get "out of our heads", to see and hear with our heart, and most importantly to enter this path armed with courage and humility.

The Universe has a peculiar ability to unveil itself to those who look and listen without needing to see and hear. Those who strive so hard to see something and hear something will only succeed in creating a cerebral "imprint" of that something and fuel a fantasy that further separate themselves from the transcendent Knowledge they seek to obtain.

I visit this forum far more frequently than my post count indicates and I've been a member here for over four years though under a different name. My absence in posting is mainly because of threads like this. Today, I chose to write something because I'm beginning to see that some experienced members have had enough. We have a wonderful tool at our disposal as 21st Century occultist, never has there been a time where so much esoteric information has been accessible to the uninitiated masses - but with this we also inherit a responsibility to ensure vertical progress in our science and art. Topics like this need to be unraveled, they are dangerous not only to those wrapped into the fantasy but to the progress of esoterica as a whole...

Seriously, the experienced, older members LEFT. Esoterica is gone, bym is dead, kaboom got banned for some reason... the only one still here is VD, and clearly he and I have some differences of opinion.

Trust me, if it was fantasy, I would make it much more engaging.

My friend kept getting scratches out of nowhere. It was the dead of night in an abandoned house where satanic rituals were rumored to take place. Soon he got a really bad one that threatened to make him bleed to death. Suddenly a VAMPIRE loomed out of the shadows and I took out my magic sword and called the stars out of the heavens to obliterate him.

Yeah, it would have been way cooler. Maybe with some flaming monsters with really big claws and a statue that moves on its own...? When my imagination is working, it's way more interesting than this.

And legitimately, Ex Lux fully explained everything I saw and I don't see you jumping down his throat. If it backs me up at all, my friend felt better immediately after.

Kaboom meant a literal Faraday cage, as in an enormous metal box. He's an odd dude, and I wouldn't disbelieve that based on his life. What I meant is a construct that serves the same purpose; a double-layered container with one layer to diffuse energy and one to trap whatever's being contained inside. A physical Faraday cage is constructed by attaching together a heavy, thick, conductive metal layer to diffuse energy and a metal mesh layer. You can find that on Wikipedia. It's actually used to insulate vehicles.

Ex Lux explained the portal aspect pretty well; "If what you're scrying is actually genuine, it sounds more like larvae or schemata to me: beings created and perpetuated by the person in question. Obsessive thinking tends to create these types of parasitic/vampiric entities which live in tandem with the host. Considering the emotional state of your friend, conditions are ripe."

As VD so graciously pointed out, we're teenage boys. He's been madly in love with a girl for a few weeks now and teenage love is "world shatteringly intense," and he's finally with her now and they haven't returned. As it happens, we were discussing her when he mentioned it to me.

Also, VD, I say to be honest when I'm through with tact and niceties, which are basically socially acceptable lies. To be honest, I think all of that "he who avoids attention really wants it" is a bunch of reverse psychology mumbo jumbo encouraged by quack doctors and the supporting characters in Harry Potter.

On a closely related note, according to the majority of people in the world we're all just deluding ourselves.

And that is my LAST response to this thread. End of story. I've got better things to do, and so should you. If you want to ban me or whatever again, go ahead.

Thank you all for agreeing that I'm intelligent, it's just my insanity that's the issue. It's much appreciated.