An interesting thought on the astral plain Options

An interesting thought on the astral plain.

Recently I was reading Carl Jung (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mf_bookread.gif) and came upon the idea of the universal Whole; (Or at least this is how I interpreted it) the basic concept is that all human minds are fundamentally the same and that the way they work is so closely linked that there is a way that we unconsciously talk with each other. He used this as a way of explaining god. However the same principle could be put to explaining loused dreaming, astral projection, spirits, and divination. Any one else noticed this? The idea seems to be sacrilegious to sociologists and psychologists as well as the parishioners of magick that I’ve talked to. So any input would be nice.

Firstly, why should "The idea seem(s) to be sacrilegious to sociologists and psychologists as well as the parishioners of magick" ?

What you do in lucid dreaming events, astral projection, spirits, and divination is entirely up to you.

But I am unsure of why these practices should have any bearing on the "basic concept is that all human minds are fundamentally the same and that the way they work is so closely linked that there is a way that we unconsciously talk with each other".

Are you trying to attempt to link on the astral with someone as a continuance of the normal use of telepathy?

Well, First the idea seem(s) to be sacrilegious because believers in magick are of the opinion that "What you do in lucid dreaming events, astral projection, spirits, and divination is entirely up to you." And sociologists and psychologists don’t believe in magick so won’t talk about it in terms of science.


Second, as to why these practices should have any bearing on Carl Jung and his ideas… they don’t. I was merely pointing out the similarities between the two, and alluding to the universal hole as a different way to view the astral plain. But the telepathy idea is intriguing.


I was trying to start a debate that would lead to some thing new and interesting. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

At risk of getting spanked for one-liners (and told to act my age, not my shoe-size):

Isn't it just the Antimoral Post-Laveyan Satanists who aim to connect with the Universal Hole?

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Sorry, couldn't resist it. Do carry on (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

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The Collective Unconcious is the term you're talking about.?!
IMHO it exists but has far more reach than human beings.
I happen to know any number of Sociologists that practise magic daily! (sneaky little sob's) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
In shamanic work, we have started to map out parts of the 'non-ordinary realities' and have been pleasantly surprised to find out that there exists commonality of view from blind tests!