Thougts on ReiKi., i went to the course, more will follow.. Options

Allow me to give my .02....

I'll just make a "quick" spin... Little background: I have my second reiki attunement, and I study GD.

Keysol said:
Course, I may view the purpose of the MPR differently then you, but to me, the MPR is ALL about personal energy and the ability to charge the energy centers with my OWN power, not depending on any other source to do so.

Reiki is about using Universal energy and allowing that to cleanse/heal energy centers at to allow Ki to flow througgh those cneters as it is suposed to. It is the acknowledgement of the need of a Higher Power (whatever that may be) to cleanse/heal.

One is about personal power...the other using a Higher Power. One is about energizing and charging...the other is about getting Ki back to its natural flow, at least IMO anyway

Animus (allow me to capitalize) said:
I would consider the middle pillar ritual as a use of universal energy as such, not my own, after all, its based upon the MIDDLE pillar of the tree of life, whereas kether is on the top and, as far as i know, that represents the universal energy (or whatever you want to call it) and drawing energy from there would mean i'm not using my own as such

now I say:
In my opinion, the middle pillar and reiki are different and not interchangable.

Point a)
I believe it is innacurate to refer to Kether as the universal energy (ALL sephiroth are manifestation of it, the tree o life as a whole would be the universal energy) but more so in the context of the MP. The tree of life is a 'map" of the universe and of the self. In the middle pillar is it applied at the micro level (kether therefore making reference to the higher self). Personal balance, between personal powers.

Point b)
The Kabalah is a framework which defines the universal energy by separating it. necessary step towards understanding since our comprehension of things is based on duality. In the MP, the practitioner calls upon certain aspects of this energy but not all of them (God names associated to certain paths only).
In reiki, no such division is made. It goes from energy there to energy "not" there. There is no special focus on certain aspects of "the force" (sick of writing "energy"). There is no framework to "taint" it, no subdivision, it is the whole. The self, the individual's perception of the symbolism plays no part. In the MP, it is a key point, that the ritual means nothing without the understanding of the symbolism. Reiki doesn't work like that. It is briallant by it's simplicity.

Are the two practices the same?
Well it aligns stuff up for ya. They do it in such different forms though... reiki demands no belifs in a certain reality framework. kabalistic practices rely on the initiate's belief and internalization of the meaning of each spheres.
The middle pillar is linked to personal power because the individual acts as the filter to the energy, calling upon certain aspects of it. The individual determines what s/he wants. In reiki, the individual does not affect the energy, it just lets it flow.

Anyway...

S.

Bym
I'm new here but I have been thinking similar things about reiki attunements. I have been thinking of the symbols which are implanted as being similar to 'back doors' that programmers install to gain easy access to a system. I've been doing qigong for 20 years and also have my reiki 3, and have been a massage therapist for over 10 years. So I am fairly knowledgable. Also one of my friends who has a similar background has expressed similar ideas. So you aren't the only one thinking these things.

Is anyone here expert on reiki history and perhaps has a good energy work background? I'm writing a reiki article and it is to the point that I need some constructive criticism. It is about the connections and comparisons between reiki and qigong. It also has a lot of the history of reiki. I'm trying to establish what reiki was like in Usui's lifetime.

I would like to add some thoughts on reiki. I have come a little ways since my last post. Heh, anyway...

Any reiki system is only as strong as the one who created it. So for the reiki imapired I would closley scrutinze anyone who claims to have a stronger system than the one your using. Also since your reiki ablilty obvuosily grows as you practice.


Its also possible to attune to different energy the way you attune to reiki, and people living or dead. it depends on the work you put into it.

You can attune to aspects as well. All in all creating your own reiki can be a fun expereince. Just don't doubt yourself as you do it. Never seems to wrok out quite as well that way. *wink*

Its possible to get these attunements for free, and even lessons. Read Reiki message boards...Go out and meet new people.


hmmm... There may have been more thoughts in this jumbled brain of mine. I might add more later. If I come back and see any specific questions I'll try to answer them but I'm far from perfect.

ahh and as a last thought, please excuse my terrible spelling.

As for our 15 year old reiki master, I have a 16 year old son who is level 2. I didn't want to attune him higher until he is old enough and has developed his power a lot more. I wouldn't want to attune a 15 year old to level 3 unless it was an exceptional individual. I had to think for quite a long time before I gave my boy even level 2.
The attunements and the (very inadequate) classes don't make you a healer. Its more like a starter kit. They don't even teach basic principles of energy work in reiki. Incidentally, reiki attunements are a technique borrowed from qigong. The attunements are just what we call 'chi packing'. In yoga they have a similar technique known as 'locking.' As far as I can see, the only thing original to reiki are the symbols.

There is little about reiki I don't know about. Been a Reiki Master in the Shambala stream for quite some time. I don't follow the written words blindly, because a lot is sheepish copying of one another. Almost no one seems willing to experiment and found out what it truly is. The grades given by people I don't think of highly either, because having a master degree shows in no regard that you truly are a master...the real work starts after your initiation and you won't be a master untill you died. Past year I rarely to never use reiki any more, because I found something that is much more usefull and practical to myself.

I don't know anything about Qi'Gong. If that isn't needed then I'd be willing to help you with the text you've written.

---edited on---

I recieved my first initiations from my stepmother so for me it all was for free. People say that they need to be initiated in a specific stream of energy before they can use Reiki. This I find nonsence because Usui never got initiated either, no one in the East ever does initiations, so where does the need in the West come from to give each other degrees and other ways to judge others? An initiation is nothing more then making a concious decision of taking the first step on a specific path in life and be dedicated to its teachings. You can teach yourself or from a so called Sensei (master).

Self studying is very rewarding I feel. You can read all the books about the topic, but if you read one or two about it you'll have read em all. Each and everyone of them, copies of one another filled with new-age beliefs which I personally puke upon. No one questions the teachings and blindly follows them while in fact those teachings are flawed once you put them into practice. The so called masters are people who are like blindless sheep that read something, get all the initiations and think they truly understand what they are doing. The quality of Masters these days is very very low.

When you look at how most initiations go is a joke. First there is the money involved. It is understandable that you need some form of compensation for the space you rent, the electricity you use, the time you put into preparation and a small profit for yourself. However one of the teachings in Western Reiki is the teaching of equivelant trade. One person gives you energy and you repay it with equal amount, where as energy in this case is a variable that can be replaced by Money, Time, Effort and other forms of energy. The amounts of money most people charge is beyond reasonable, especially if you take into consideration of what you recieve in return. Especially when you understand that these initiations are nothing then a psychological aid to allow you to make that concious first step. The poor amount of knowledge you gain during these seminars can be easily be improved by self studying and experimenting, just like how Usui and others do. Energy/Chi workers in the East never have initiations and such either.

I'm against large group initiations and prefer small group/personal ones. A large group can not be given the proper amount of attention and guidance which beginners need. Rapid initiations in short time spans allow people to gain all degrees easily and fast. These people gain the degree of Master without the theoretical know-how, let alone the proper amount of practical know-how. Sure there are exceptions, but the majority rushes it all and doesn''t know a thing. I don't distrust the secrecy but I do challenge the competence of most...which I started referring to as Charlatans. Then again my opinion about the New-Age stream isn't high to begin with. So I don't approach subjects like Reiki from the Love and Light nonsence that the New-Agers use...No I approach it from the point of view where it originated from...The East with Buddhistic influences.

Reiki isn't so much a secret order that uses secrecy and hates to share its symbols. About 22 symbols are given to the initiate to use during most of their workings. The remaining symbols aren't documented because those will come to you during the usage of reiki. I've used many symbols that aren't documented anywhere and I can't document them because they come at the time of need and dissapear just as fast. They are fleeting images that appear during the time of need unlike Sigils that can be used when YOU feel like it and can re-produce it at will as well. The workings however are quite similar. The symbol and sigil both allow you to focus your energy and will upon a certain task.

Many people see Reiki as a quick way to achieve enlightenment and such without undergoing the teachings that lead up to the "dark night of the soul" and other very learnfull moments in life.I see Reiki as a tool to help people awaken and learn the basics of energy work/magic. When people have learned and mastered Reiki they are ready to move on to the serious path of life to begin the REAL work so the speak.

There are many Reiki streams such as Usui, Tera Mai, Seichem, Shambala, Ogham and many more man made variations. This also shows that Reiki is not a one way-truism system. You initiate yourself by taking the first step and find out how to work with energy and such in your own way through own research and experience. I question the entire Chakra system used as well as the general teachings of reiki and how self-proclaimed masters interpetate them. It's quite easy to create your own Reiki system that you feel most comfortable with. The degrees of each teaching mean nothing and only excist in the Western Reiki Systems. Next to Reiki there are also other ways to reach the same such as through Yoga for excample. Reiki is one of many ways.

With Reiki you can get initiated into different streams. However it is said that only the last initiation will be active. Quite illogical if you do Shamballa 3 then Usui 1, then go from 1 Usui to master in Shamballa.

This post has been edited by Sabazel: Mar 23 2006, 04:39 AM

In yoga they have a similar technique known as 'locking.'

The Mulabhanda and so on? I only mention that one becuase its seemingly the most important as I can make out.

Self studying is very rewarding I feel. You can read all the books about the topic, but if you read one or two about it you'll have read em all.

I especially like this. Myself though, I seem to find myself searching for test subjects when I want to try something new. Sometimes things seem to come on thier own, and have very good effects when used in healing.
Most recently, I have been using something that works as much as a pick me up and lifting someones mood. And I'm still working on developing it, or more hoping further insight will come.

Is it alright to stretch the topic? I may have gone to far off the original Reiki subject.

Star had some questions about reiki which Im going to put in another thread. Maybe I'll just post the unpolished essay also and let anyone point out flaws if they see them.
Malubhanda? Close anyways. I believe that Bhandu is what I was talking around.

Being a newbie, i thought id ask is it worth learning REIKI inorder to learn to raise energy, for psi balls or what ever task you have, or can you use the REIKI energy to create psi balls or any other tasks.
Mark

Being a newbie, i thought id ask is it worth learning REIKI inorder to learn to raise energy, for psi balls or what ever task you have, or can you use the REIKI energy to create psi balls or any other tasks.
Mark

I find that reiki tends to be an energy that is more difficult than others to give functional structure to. Reiki seems to me to support and reinforce structure. I have in the past used reiki as a 'warm down' of magickal working, as it tends to harmonize the energies left over afterwards towards a positive end in line with the structure that energy is a part of - that is, it reinforces magick. my teacher suggested, also, that reiki can be directed at a situation or concept in order to heal and harmonize as well. Healing doesn't just apply to cuts and scrapes, of course.

I have been a level two practitioner for two years, level one for a year before that. My master did not perform initiations per say, after the first level. She also suggested to me, in her roundabout way, that the initiations are not totally necessary - that the ritual is actually intended to cause the student to initiate themselves. Reportedly initiation was done through meditation originally, and the other traditions such as symbols, etc., were tacked on afterwards. There is still, I believe, a school of reiki in Japan which does not use initiations as we know them. I have heard of so many schools of reiki, but they all seem to differ mostly in their theory of the origin of the energy, in their symbols, and in their initiation practices - so, reiki has become more of a standard label for initiated energy work.

I won't say one system is definitely better than any other, and certainly traditions can be improved upon, but ultimately reiki is something accessible to all naturally, you have only to ask, and be open to receiving.

I will also say that my master's nephew is only 17 now, and was a master as of last year, at 16, so while I will not say it is impossible, I would also note that he was an extremely intelligent lad, who happened to have a very natural grasp of energy work in both nuance and philosophy. He was gifted with a very talented family, so...

just goes to show there are exceptions to every so called 'rule'.

peace

Hi Vagrant Dreamer, and thanks for the reply, being a newbie im just stating out reading franz bardon, is there a standard method for raising energy or just various methods from person to person, also once you have raised the energy should you release it rather than store it in you.
Best regards mark

I've praticed reiki for about four years now and not to lessen its validity, but it is just another method or energy/pranic healing. You'll find many similar techniques under different schools, although they may use different symbols or prayers. Reiki itself was claimed by Mikao Usai as a rediscovering of ancient healing techniques from India. Dr. Usai didnt create reiki, he was attuned to reiki after a 21 day mediation, in which legend says he began to visualize hundreds of symbols falling to earth. From those symbols he picked what is now the general symbols used for reiki; cho ku rei, sei he ki, hon sha zo shonen, dai ko myo & raku.

Ive found that reiki symbols is a good way to direct energy, and that it works with anything. Ive done many healings with it and have found that it does great work on an energetic level, although I find it more effective when working on myself or doing distance healings. Ive done the three degrees to where I can, and have attuned others to reiki. But I am far from considering myself a Reiki Master. Any mastership, in any endeavor comes from internalizing and applying the techniques that are learned. Its unfortunate that reiki schools and training has become very "commercial" to the point that people can now buy dvds for the attunements, but all the same its Universal Energy that can go anywhere it wants and however it wants to. Its non-judgemental and virually impossible for using to do harm. Mikao Usai was attuned to reiki himself, and anyone who really wishes to direct universal energy can do the same, with or without a "master" attuning them. It may take longer than a weekend course, but it'll be yours so you can seek your own mastership. I do find it interesting that there are claimed masters and such here, but not one has spoken the Reiki Principles.

For today i will be thankful and blessed.
For today I will not worry or anger.
For today I will honor my teachers and elders.
For today I will study and earn honestly.
For today I will be kind to every living thing.

I thought that I was duped into paying for something that was worthless, but at any cost reiki is worth it. Its not necessarily about the price, as its about the value.

Hi old23supreme, nice reply looking forward to my first reiki course.

mark

old23supreme, I hear what you're saying. I have my Reiki mastery as well and it always bugs me to have had to pay money for it. However, it is understandable in some situations for Reiki users to charge money for their services. There are mainly two reasons to charge money: to make the value of the attunement more so it doesn't become 'another energy method' nor does it become a healing that you can get anytime; as well some Masters depend on it for their income so they will charge high prices. Both of those points are debatable. Personally, I feel that money should not be charge to heal or attune someone but at the same time, I see how people can take it for granted.

Reiki itself has not yet been scientifically proven. For the more spiritual people, however, the way it works has already been shown. Imagine a big pool of clear energy, that surrounds and is apart of every person. This pool is made of love, happiness and everything that makes us feel good. Reiki practitioners do not do any energy work, they simply become a channel for this clear energy to pass through. That's about it. The energy (or ki, chi, magick, God, or Universe) knows what to do in order to heal a person's body in the best way possible. The big point is using our intuition. When we intuit where the problems are coming from, then we can move our hands there and help that person.

Also, becoming a Reiki practitioner is a very big committment. Maybe when you first start in Level 1 or Level 2, it can be used for solely inquisitive reasons. But when you become a Reiki Master, you are taking the committment to a new level. You have agreed to heal others and attune them yourself. There is something to be said for honor and good ethics to make a decent Reiki Master.

Cheers,

Ishkbal

"The nature of the mind is clear light. Defilements are superficial." - Dharmakirti (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blablabla.gif)

Hi Guys, i had reiki treatment yesterday, the reason being is because id like to be attuned so i thought il have some treatment to see what would happen, have to say i felt very at peace while she lay her hands over me and at times i felt i could feel the energy enter me,, i had a great night sleep and felt fully refreshed when i woke this morning, i am looking forward to being attuned in january, im doing this for my benefit but would also heal others free of charge not looking to make a business from it. i also understand the treatmen/ritual you would do on yourself is great way to keep your chakras alinned so that alone must be a benefit.

Regards Mark