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flyingmojo
post Nov 6 2005, 06:47 PM
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Hello,

I just finished reading Duquette's My Life With the Spirits, and he mentioned a magician/acquaintence who had summoned up spirits from literature and fiction.

That possibility fascinates me, and I'm wondering if anyone on this forum has ever done anything like that. I'm far from being ready to do any evocation, but I really look forward to the time when I may one day greet Aslan from Narnia, or Tom Bombadil.
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post Nov 7 2005, 01:28 AM
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When I was doing chaos magick I invoked 'the judderman' (from the Metz advert). This worked very well. This practice is quite often used in chaos magick.

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post Nov 7 2005, 04:19 AM
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I read a book by charles de lint , cant remember the title as their are many , where the painter evokes/creates spirits from his paintings.
As an artist I have chosen to use a particular created entity thru my art as a guardian of sorts during my meditations. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/angel.gif)


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post Nov 9 2005, 12:10 PM
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it's possible to summon anything, as far as you want. The truth behind those kinds of evocations of spirits and creatures that derive from fantasy, literature or other dementions, (For ex. astral plane: unicorns, fairies, dragons) is that you call the archetypical existance of those creatures. What i mean is that as soon as someone can imagine something (Think for ex. the story of fairygodmother) it can exist in the form of thoughtform. The more thoughts you put on that subject or spirit or archetype the more powerful it becomes. It will not be exact evocation similar with ceremonial magick, but through meditation, symbols, pictures, you can achive a kind of connection.

You can even create your own ''Gods'' by the above theory: Choose the qualities you want them to have, the elements that can be linked, and other kind of stuff: For ex. If you want Someone that gives you mental power and communication can be under the element of air, hold a feather and even be son of Hermes or Mercury!
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post Nov 18 2005, 03:52 AM
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Sounds very interesting. So it means that you could 'invent' your own mythological creature, put it out in the astral plane and direct your thought energy to give it life. Keep directing energy at it over a period of time so it becomes real. Then by way of further evocations make it appear on the manifest plane .... in theory of course?

It sounds like the creation of mankind .... some higher dimensional magician somewhere conjured up a thought form race in its own image and cast the idea out into the astral plane and hey presto mankind came into being.

So, once you have created the fictional being ... it will only have the intelligence you put into it ... the magician's own ego and will. What is the next step into giving the being its own seperate intelligence? How was a seperate consciousness trapped in the human form in other words? The human material form has the will and the intention of the original creator/magician but it also has within it the seperate consciousness of the divine species of man. Catch my drift?

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post Nov 18 2005, 05:05 AM
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heirophantis is touching on egregorial matters, which do fascinate me. The thought that if enough people believein a God figure and give it energy then it takes on form and becomes real.

And Mr Merlins servitorial astral being - as servitors only have the intelligence, purpose that it's given by it's creator. Does that intelligence not belong to IT, until it has fulfilled its purpose? What if the intelligence given INCLUDES the capacity for independent thought and development, and is that even possible?


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post Nov 18 2005, 05:20 AM
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Ah Mr Merlin, you have answered a question I was going to answer about how you could conjure up something that isn't real...

... of course, thoughts manifest ...

... that makes us gods then, which makes humans fictional beings before we manifested?

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post Nov 18 2005, 12:54 PM
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Anu you made a good point!

ON that basis. Are our higher selves not the creators of our servitors down here? Thus we have all of its intelligence in a perfect replica .... could it explain reincarnation then ??? So many human servitors are not fulfilling the purpose of their creator in an incarnation thus the servitor must return once more to fulfill that which is still instructed. One flaw is that a human servitor may not necessarily reincarnate looking the same!


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post Nov 18 2005, 12:58 PM
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i'll try to answer few questions. I do agree with Mr. Merlin that the intelligent one puts to the entidy is a reflection of the magician. Further on the ''fuel'' of entidy again is the magician. I will quote something valuable to explain the function of thoughtforms. (I'll not tempt to paraphrase it, because it's perfect as it is)
''Every thought, every emotion, every desire, creates a thoughtform, emotional thought-form or a pure thought-form. Their home is the personality of man. When an elemental is created, either by thought or emotion, it vibrates at the same rate as its creator. So, when an elemental leaves the personality, that means there is no new thought for it to absorb and be revitalized. It passes through the fourth demensional world, not deriving strength from it. But it has its own life, its own identity and of course a kind of intelligence...''
the common verse in magick BE AWARE OF WHAT YOU WISH stands (I believe so) because whatever we think as radiant star says manifest into real. Even the simplest function of jelousy can become that huge disgusting green monster that Shakespeare described in his scripts (He was initiated to the wisdom i think (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) )...
Another good ex. I can give is the prayer: Ever time one Prays, builts an energetic shield to what might go wrong, to ill-whisher etc. Of course those subjects are diverse, because psychologists allege that most of those mentioned above do work as self-induced patterns. It's up to you to think if the thought forms work or not.
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post Nov 26 2005, 01:10 AM
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I agree that it is possible to summon anything through constant thought or obsession, I see this example all the time through religion. A group of people are suffering and they need someone to help them, suddenly a prophet comes and tells them that he knows of a higher power that will help them as long as they BELIEVE in the entity and spread the knowledge of it's existence. I don't know if you guys have noticed this but pretty much every religion I have worked with has one thing in common, that is the requirement that you BELIEVE that the entity or god form has the power to help you. I find it wierd that all these religions keep saying that there god is the almighty creator of the universe but at the same time the only way this all powerful being can affect you is if you believe it can. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/worthy.gif)

In my opinion I believe that we are really all one entity or force that is manifesting it self through different things such as plant life or animals or humans, but we have been separated for so long that we have forgotten are connection and have created this reality with pointless wars and unnecessary suffering.

Well there's my insight into this matter, I hope this has atleast helped you see things through a different perspective:) Cya (IMG:style_emoticons/default/kribo.gif)


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post Dec 6 2005, 05:11 PM
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i don't completelly agree with what Blood Archon says, but he is right in some points! for ex. i aslo share the opinion that we are monad and we can be all of kind of Gods, Angels, Demons etc. (you can remember the mirror saying: after twelve o' clock don't reflect your face into a mirror: old crones in crete were saying so)! We enclosed every possible concept, religion, (it's the collective subconciousness of Jung)!
The magical rights are just gateways to face those different egos! you are awaking the God within, and we become god...
It is extreme for everyone (also dangerous) that he/she can be whatever they like, however we've got one permanent self, an ''ego''! so only the archetypes are being awaken during and after the transformation.
please do contrast me if you disagree!
(i think i'm a bit off topic)...


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post Dec 14 2005, 01:48 PM
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It is extreme for everyone (also dangerous) that he/she can be whatever they like, however we've got one permanent self, an ''ego''! so only the archetypes are being awaken during and after the transformation.


I can only agree with this. I think anyone who claims they can do anything they want is being ignorant of their responsibility; ignorant of their inner self/ego/higher immortal. I believe strongly it is an 'honour' and a distinction to be an incarnate at this time.

We are our inner self's representative in this existence. Its own 'fictional being' and I believe there is a long queue of entities trying to be an incarnate at this time. There will be 'gate crashers' trying their utmost to get here. So for souls to deny their inner self and the responsibility of 'VIP' status ... it is an awful thing.

I don't think it was always the case. At one time any entity could incarnate. But in recent times I think access is limited!

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