Entities, Are they real or something we made? Options

Enteties... now, the debate goes: Are they real? Are the seperate beings that exist with or without us or are they images, reflects, whatever of our minds that we create.

someone want to pick up the thread? I haven't quite made my mind up yet (IMG:style_emoticons/default/fie.gif)

I think that entities are like water from a lake that is bottled by humans in different containers, so... what I'm saying is that I think that their energy has always been in existance, and that we as humans just breathed consciousness into them. Therefore I'd say that we created them... in a way.

This post has been edited by Psypocalypse: Oct 13 2005, 01:35 PM

I guess i should have known that it would all end up with 'both goes both ways' but ok here goes.

Yeah, i guess that makes sense in a way, my self i've always thought (or atleast wanted it to be) seperate beings that would live and would have lived without us aswell, more fun that way. Other ways i'd just end up playing with myself in the end anyways, and maybe that's also my problem, why bother getting to know myself when there are other cool angels out there? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

As for another question, i heard somewhere that thelema ideas are kind of based upon that enteties are mere reflections and mirrors of ourselves, minds and what not, any thelemic that would like to help out on this one?

As for that message to the modsquad, i'll just plain stay out of it.

Just because, in my opinion, we've created the shells for these entities (gave form to them), it does'nt mean that they don't exist as beings seperate from ourselves.
I think it's like creating a servitor. You give it shape and purpose, and then allow it to serve you. If it has outlived it's purpose and you do not destroy it, it will evolve by itself, develop a mind of its own, and eventually become a very powerful entity, seperate from yourself, and, having outlived its purpose, it would quite possibly cause great havoc in both the astral and physical realms.

By all means, I have'nt really given this proper thought and think that this topic is highly debateble, so please feel free to contradict me.

This post has been edited by Psypocalypse: Oct 14 2005, 01:15 AM

Anno IVxiii Sol 21° Libra, Luna 15° Pisces Dies Veneris ev.
93

Greetings Beings,

IMO they are very real but the concept is very subjective up to the point of attaining the Sanctum Regnum. The entities in practice that needs evocation in regards to the travelling of the Aethyres is concepts of the lesser countstanance and it mirrors the inner blocks that are also represented in the eminations of the sephiroth of the tree.
Very real entities but still eminations from the inner workings of the spirit. The spirit is a cosmic energy thus attracting the correct vessel for symbolic representation of the level you are working on.
As shells of the 7 Hells of Assai and the angelic guardians of the 7 heavens of Assai, is the mirrored aspects relating to the seven sin of man and the overcoming of it and the also the control there of, thus bringing us to the realisation of the complete material self. After this being done the entrance into the Aethyr called "Bag" is possible as the knowledge gained is sufficient to find the secret "password" admitance into the realm of deeper lessons.

Occasionally in the Aethyr system you have to do battle with the presiding demon. The battle is designed to release within you the qualities needed to progress to the next higher stage. Now, you can't kill these beings, but you must win through their defenses to control them, else they will bar your rightful passage to the deeper lessons. BAG presents an excellent example of a typical battle and here you must fight a demon called LIXIPSP (pronounced --> EL-EE-ZEE-PEH-SEH-PEH).

The traditional appearance of LIXIPSP has been described as wearing shining black garments that are lined in white with opal veils. He carries a long and deadly flail. His face is black with white eyes that are without pupils. He has the belly of a fish, large wings with black and white feathers, lots of short legs and claws like a centipede, a long scorpion-like tail, and tentacles for arms. Despite this very colorful description of LIXIPSP don't be surprised if he takes on a different form, a more personal form that represents what your own idea of a demon is.

Upon entering BAG you should immediately sense the heavy guilt-ridden atmosphere of this Aethyr. The sense of your own unworthiness may overwhelm you. However that unworthiness is merely your lower nature and does not apply to the higher spiritual part. If you can get past this barrier you will eventually meet up with huge form of LIXIPSP.

To do battle with LIXIPSP, or any other demon, you must know exactly what it is that you are dealing with. You cannot simply rely on brute force. Brute force might be the deciding factor in a physical battle, but in the Aethyrs you are in you subtle body. Your mind and emotions ultimately determine whether you win or lose these battles.

LIXIPSP is a force that digs up your deepest subconscious psychic contents and complexes and expose them openly to you, bringing up hidden biases, desires, and faults that you have previously ignored or forgotten. He represents some aspect of yourself where you are vulnerable and weak -- perhaps even an aspect of yourself where you can be compromised or will give up a great deal to possess. It may be memories of past deeds and thoughts that reveal to you your weaknesses and human frailties or it could be something you did or said in the past which you currently find embarrassing (and who hasn't?). Whatever form the battle takes, keep in mind that you hold the key to winning, and it is as easy as letting go of the qualities or failings that you possess. Obviously your experiences in this encounter will be your own. If you do not succeed, you can always try again at a later time.

This be my view of Entities and how real they actually are, for this reason recorded instances is done, telling us about the form of an evoked entity as an entity is but a cosmic mutualness of issues in all of mankind.

Ad Lucem
93 93/93
Fr. M.: (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wizard.gif)

I'm sorry, but I don't understand how this post relates to the topic. There are one or two sentences that seem to relate, but as for the rest of it... If you don't mind could you please clarify it for me Frater. Your response in this regard would be much appreciated. Thanks.

Psypocalypse -> Well, that's basically what i feel at the moment aswell, i do believe some have some form that is their 'true' form that was created before man (or atleast not BY man) and some that we made for them, also, this would make alot of them schizophrenic (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Anno IVxiii Sol 21° Libra, Luna 15° Pisces Dies Veneris ev.
93

Greetings Beings,

etc etc...

Very interesting!

Altho the latter part wasn't as such related to the topic at hand, interesting reading, i wouldn't mind if you continued explaining further about everything you just said tho.

Modsquad note - I have taken out all the (IMG:style_emoticons/default/offtopic.gif) posts from this thread and moved it to the appropriate location on the forums. I will be VERY disapointed if it drifts (IMG:style_emoticons/default/offtopic.gif) again. Mediocracy.