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 Urban Monk, aka Secular Ascetic
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post Nov 17 2005, 12:57 PM
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Just got my copy of Adbusters end of year edition, and they 3 top identities of 2006. This one caught my eye...

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Urban Monk, aka Secular Ascetic.

Not to be confused with the hedonistic urban hippy, urban monsk thrive on the underrated pleasures of self-denial. Taking a cue from the Stoics, Puritans, Sadhus, Spartans and Jains, this eminently sustainable though largely secular creature excels at saying no: no to the accumulation of wealth, no to conveniences, no to cars, no to television, no to meat. Possibly owns a laptop, but harbors deep-seated guilt about that fact. Thrills at issuing personal challenges like 100-mil, raw, vegan, calerie-restricted diets. Some adherents even dabble in the mortification of the flesh, renouncing hot water and room temperature above 15C. They do, however, tend to draw the line at sewing thorns into their underwear.


This seems to describe me quite well (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I'm not interested in making lots of money.
I stopped watching TV a year ago.
I drive a Smart car.
I own an iBook (but have no guilt about it).
I am giving up meat for 2006.
My room is heated to 17C.

Any other Urban Monks out there?

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post Nov 18 2005, 01:01 AM
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Greetings Mediocracy. Very interesting name 'Urban Monk'. Sadly I cannot associate with all the 'necessities' to be one.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/swoon2.gif) However, I have no desire for wealth; I watch as little TV as possible (premiership football the exception); I despise red meat and am fast going off chicken. I adore vegetables. I have a laptop but sadly don't feel at all guilty.

As far as hot water goes I am at the stage of having one shower a week because I can't stand hot water but also am too much of a coward to take a cold shower.

I am a lone magician ... currently wearing a brown sweat shirt top which looks a little like a short monk's habit less the hood. I enjoy solitude ...

I might not fully qualify as an Urban Monk; more like a 'Green Belt Monk' as we live about 10 minutes drive from Hamilton City Centre in the green belt here in New Zealand.

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post Nov 18 2005, 01:24 AM
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Sounds like me - minus the laptop and diet (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif).

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post Nov 19 2005, 02:27 PM
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As far as hot water goes I am at the stage of having one shower a week ....

I am a lone magician...


I am not surprised.


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post Nov 19 2005, 03:26 PM
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I was thoroughly with soap and water the other days. Under the armpits etc etc. One discipline of mine is cleanliness. You don't need daily showers for that. Plus the water quality here in Hamilton NZ is lousy. I don't drink the tap water because of the high Sodium Flouride content. I use Sodium Flouride free toothpaste.

(Sodium Flouride being a known rat poison and mind suppressant. Used in Nazi Germany in the water supply to lobotomise the German people so Hitler could walk over a blaise and lethargic nation!)


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post Nov 19 2005, 04:09 PM
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Mr Merlin, I don't have time to do the full research at this time, but there are benefits and contra-indications in all that we consume.

It is all a matter of amounts and synergies.

For instance some thought was given to slow-release sodium fluoride for the treatment of osteoporosis in Crohns disease patients if given with calcium and vitamin D - just to balance this a little here (IMG:style_emoticons/default/13.gif)

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post Nov 19 2005, 08:13 PM
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I agree ... in SMALL doses and with a balance of minerals and nutrients it will probably be okay. But we are talking really high doses here.

It's no coincidence our middle child drink gallons of tap water here and is generally considerably more lethargic almost docile here along with a number of UK friend's children. What was once a very energetic quite hyperactive middle child is now a lounge lizard not wanting exercise or do anything other than be glued behind TV and games console. The youngest despises the taste of the water and drinks bottled water only and he is still active, hyper active even and sporty just like the middle one used to be.

It is noticeable ... and not as a result of his being a teenager. He is a different person.

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post Nov 19 2005, 10:13 PM
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Souch life calls to me too ....it is hard to let go of pleasing illusions and avoid traps that hold empty pleasures

....i started giveing up meat -and its working well (i can hardly belive it i used to have meat in every meal) ...i never planed to give it up

...tv holds litle or no interest to me (i have 2 and dont use them)

...about money i actualy never lusted for it

-all of this is a natural process (imho) -or there is some strange bug going around (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)


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post Nov 20 2005, 02:13 AM
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QUOTE(Wanderer @ Nov 20 2005, 05:13 AM)
-all of this is a natural process (imho) -or there is some strange bug going around (IMG:style_emoticons/default/7.gif)


It could be that we have reached a stage where more and more people are beginning to realise that the acquisition of material possessions does not bring the happiness promised in the TV adverts.

The things you own end up owning you. What pleasure in that fast sports car when you are stuck in traffic jams all day and then worry about someone stealing it as soon as you park it somewhere. The realisation that women do not throw themselves at you just because you started using Brand X aftershave.

It may also be a shift in the economic balance of the globe. In the west the average person on an average wage cannot hope to keep up with the latest computer, home gadgets, clothing etc. Once you realise the futility of it you open your mind to the alternative, the path of the Urban Monk. In the east the economic growth means people are able to acquire lots of new toys and they are abandoning the older spiritual ways.

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post Nov 20 2005, 09:08 AM
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Money has no meaning to me - it seems a pointlessly ritualised commodity.

I don't know when I stopped being interested in TV, I do occasionally watch it, but unlike the rest of my family I'm not compulsive. I much prefer to read.

I don't drive - I catch buses. I use it to help remind myself that rushing is as pointless as dawdling. I will get there when I get there, and that's the whole of any journey's tempo.

I own an Athlon XP 2800 (put it together myself), a Zire 72 palm pilot, and an iBook G4, and I see no reason not to. Information flows are just as important for stretching the mind as meditation... and in fact, I find the action of constructing and upgrading a computer to be almost the same as meditation. Honestly, I look forward to the day when someone combines electronic paper with RedTacton and wireless internet so that way I can connect to the internet from anywhere.

For me, I never really enjoyed any meat other than bacon. I generally eat meats masked by other flavours, and even then, reheat it, and I cannot touch it.

My room is like a sauna (PC continuously on, combined with continuously down curtains and closed door, plus heating causes it to be nicely toasty).

However, Med, I have to disagree on your reasoning. I find the rise of the urban monk minority to be an extension of the ritualised nature of society. To quote Richard Mills:
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People are becoming automated.  Take my father.  Get up, 7.30 breakfast, out at 8; get the 8.30 train to Charing Cross, gets on the tube, off at Oxford Circus, walk along to Hanover Square.  He goes upstairs, he sits there all day; he goes out for lunch - gets himself a beer and sandwich, comes back, carries on work, 5.30 he packs in, gets the tube back to Charing Cross, train home.  I mean what a life!  Where does it get you?
Even before we deal with the impossibility to keep up with the ever expanding "needs" society "provides" you, we find ourselves continuously facing a more and more ritualised society. Historically we've "overcome" this by standing outside ourselves and saying "I am not this automaton... I do these things, but I'm something higher". This kind of meta-consciousness though winds up enforcing the rituals even more. And even worse, we can use meta-meta-conscious - "Look at us being so aloof from our actions", and meta-meta-meta-conscious... in an ever towering spiral. It winds up nowhere.

So western culture is dead. We spend the majority of our lives going out to earn bits of paper and metal so that way we can swap them for all the things we're meant to want, and then denying that this is all there is to ourselves, all the way to death. Whoop-dee-do. It's hardly any wonder then that people turn away from the repetition and start looking deeply into what can be described as modern ascetism. It's also hardly any wonder that people have mid-life crises.

However, there is an inverse point to be made from this. There is also an increasing faction (who I would say is in the majority) who cannot step outside this dead cultural frame. I regularly deal with one particular person who cannot deal with the idea of anything other than the capitalist-consumerist society he lives in.


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The value of the individual is sacrosanct, but actions must be directed in an effort to affect positive change.

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post Nov 20 2005, 08:40 PM
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Ritualistic and controled society seems safe and as such atracts those afraid to see...
....for so long they where majority -but we live in time where spiritual evolution is greatly accelerated ....borders are breaking we are awaking... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wizard.gif)


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