Furcas, confusion of sigils? Options

Well, i am kind a new, but i am enough experienced to evoke some of the goetian spirits!
I study some of thems, and i found FURCAS:

Furcas is the Fiftieth Spirit listed in the Goetia, who governs 20 Legions. He appears as an old man with a long beard & hoary head, carries a sharp weapon & rides a pale-colored Horse. He teaches the arts of philosophy, astrology, rhetoric, logic, cheiromancy, & pyromancy.

ok, it's all ok, BUT, i saw two different sigils, and i don't know which i should use (IMG:style_emoticons/default/13.gif)

(IMG:http://academyofsorcery.com/courses/ACS/furcas.gif)

(IMG:http://www.deliriumsrealm.com/delirium/images/seals/furcas.gif)

if anyone want's to know why i want to evoke him, it's because i want him to help me whit philosophy, astrology, rhetoric, logic, cheiromancy, & pyromancy. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/13.gif)

Try 'em both and see what one works better. *shrug* Bune's got two sigils as well. The first one tends to work better than the second, but the second will do in a pinch. And there is a lot more variation (read: the two are radically different) in his than in yours.

Let us know what happens.

Try 'em both and see what one works better. *shrug* Bune's got two sigils as well. The first one tends to work better than the second, but the second will do in a pinch. And there is a lot more variation (read: the two are radically different) in his than in yours.

Let us know what happens.

Thanx for the answer, i'm going to start to prepare my temple for him! I may do it in one month (IMG:style_emoticons/default/13.gif)

Try meditating on one . . then (later), meditate on/with the other. lather,rinse, repeat.
See which "feels" best, which brings on the clearer connection . . . which generates more anything.
Whichever it is . . . that may be the one.

Or try what some of us more far-out magicians do . . . divination!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

plus, look at each of them, they each present slightly different "references" . . . which fits you, your working or your interpertation of the spirit better.
note: omphalic dots and deliminating lines. To me (a personal interp only) these suggestion solar and/or alchemaically salty/earthy/bodily (and maybe elementally earthy/watery) aspects . . . and maybe even a bit'o air.

i want him to help me whit philosophy, astrology, rhetoric, logic, cheiromancy, & pyromancy

thats quite a list . . . you may want to consider focusing on a single aspect of yourself (or life) that you particularly want a spirit to interfere**sputt#cough . . help with.
Plus, at fourteen . . . be extra careful that you maintain your inner/outer equilibrium . . . I'm sure those would be energies your, frankly, young psyche would struggle with.
(no offense meant . . . )

that's calling me n00b indirectly! lol (IMG:style_emoticons/default/angry_pissed_off_emoticon.gif)
Anyways thanx for the advice (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bigwink.gif)

This post has been edited by netzgewebe: Nov 24 2006, 12:45 PM

Which part . . . LOL!! (jk)
well, if all of us can't be n00bs on occasion . . . then we got the wrong hobby.

Actually, I wasn't meaning to infer any slight . . . only that those are the aspects of your post I'd make suggestion about.
And suggesting you do divinition, for any reason but particularly to hone your approach to spirit work, doesn't really constitute calling you a n00b . . . seeing as that seemed an overlooked obvious.

Now . . . the last part could be seen that way, I agree.
Its easy enough for any of us to get unbalanced in magickal work . . . and I know that when I was fourteen it was all that much more likely . . . just encouragement from one thats been there and from one that could probably have used those reminders at the time myself (or even now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/13.gif) ).
And if you find yourself easily offended by advice . . . maybe the equilibrium thing should move a just little higher on the list. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This post has been edited by palindroem: Nov 24 2006, 01:18 PM

Which part . . . LOL!! (jk)
well, if all of us can't be n00bs on occasion . . . then we got the wrong hobby.

Actually, I wasn't meaning to infer any slight . . . only that those are the aspects of your post I'd make suggestion about.
And suggesting you do divinition, for any reason but particularly to hone your approach to spirit work, doesn't really constitute calling you a n00b . . . seeing as that seemed an overlooked obvious.

Now . . . the last part could be seen that way, I agree.
Its easy enough for any of us to get unbalanced in magickal work . . . and I know that when I was fourteen it was all that much more likely . . . just encouragement from one thats been there and from one that could probably have used those reminders at the time myself (or even now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/13.gif) ).
And if you find yourself easily offended by advice . . . maybe the equilibrium thing should move a just little higher on the list. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

i didn't get offended, i just think you shouldn't "discriminate" us because we are underage (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bicycle.gif)