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 Symbols: Peacesign + Hanged Man (tarot) ?, What's the connection?
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post May 21 2006, 03:54 AM
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I saw the da vinci code movie yesterday and in the presentation robert langdon had it was a quick picture about how the peace sign
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and the hanged man
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that they have a sort of connection and while looking at it, yes, i can definatly see it, but could anyone elaborate about the connection they have, i'll have to read up on the hanged man i guess.


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post Jun 28 2006, 01:18 PM
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Does this hanged man come from the Thoth deck, because I am not familiar with that deck. I am a little familiar with the B.O.T.A. deck, however in that deck the arms are behind the back. From what I understand the hanged man refers to the "suspended mind" or samadhi. In this state, his mind is reversed from that of the rest of humanity. He is able to see the true nature of life and reality. This could be tied to the peace sign because this state of mind is a peaceful one "In consequence, all details of his inner and outer life are harmonious and perfectly satisfactory to him. Others may count him a failure because they apply the false standards of the world. But he knows himself to be truly free, truly happy, and truly successful here, and in whatever there may be hereafter."-(outside source in quotes) I am not really sure if that helps or not, but just my two cents worth.


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post Jul 2 2006, 05:51 AM
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Yes that picture is from the Thoth deck and yes that helped, thanks. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


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post Jul 5 2006, 06:19 PM
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http://www.designboom.com/contemporary/peace.html

According to this site the peace sign was created in observation of nuclear dis-armorment. It was later abopted by the civil-rights movement as a sign of equallity and peace. The right wing saw this as a threat and tried to demonize it as a satanic symbol giving it a pseudo-history in satanic rituals dating back to the days of the Romans linking the peace sign to the "cross of Nero" that was later viewed as demonic. But like most symbols its really open to personal interpration. I was tought it was an inverted cross that was broken and was a christian symbol for peace symbolizing mercy towards Peter who betrayed his faith and was hung upside down as a sign of humilation. He believed he was unworthy to be hung like his master, Jesus. Later I realized that it looked just the Nordic Rune Tyr inverted. Tyr inverted could be taken to mean a variety of things among them peace. The circle being the symbol of endingness meaning the symbol itself means eternal peace. However the hippies in the anti-vietnam movement called it the chicken foot of America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hanged_Man

Also known as "the traitor" the hanged man symbolizes independance at one or another's expense, but this view varies depending on which deck you're going by. From what I was taught it was suppose to be Peter hanging upside down on a Roman style crusafix, or Tau cross. And it symbolized humility and the need for attonement, agian Peter was supposedly hung inverted on the Roman cross as a sign of being unworthy to die like Jesus. This connection between St. Peter may be the link between the peace sign and the hanged man. However, some believe that the hanged man is really the Norse God Odin depicted in the myth where he hangs from an Oak tree (I think it was oak) to gain enlightenment. As such, the card can be interpreted as attaining "enlightenment" or discovering some kind of revelation, a good card instead of negative. This Nordic link may also be the connection between the peace sign and the hanged man. Its really unknowable beyond speculation.

I think Peter more likely commited suicide than was hung from the cross. I think this because he would not have wanted to be captured by the Romans and humiliated but he also knew he could not use Jesus' teachings without being a total hypocrite. Regardless if my opinion is ture, I think Christians later adopted the Norse myth of Odin, much like they did with other pagan stories, to Christianize the heathens of old.

Really though the Da Vinci code shouldn't be taken as anything more than a fancy peace of historical fiction. Yes I think the ideas presented by the book and movie are interesting but nothing more than entertaining. Much of what Dan Brown preported to be historical fact is really not true and his "facts" are a gimmick to draw readers into his novel. Genius yes but only entertaining.


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post Jul 7 2006, 06:28 AM
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Thank you acid, good post!

And i'll have to relpy on the da vinci facts aswell, Sure, i don't think everything in the book is true, but not only is it entertaining, it also awakens spirituality in alot of people (on a low level may be...) i've noticed, maybe just for some people, but whatever gets people hooked is good by me.

cheers.


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