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post Jul 11 2006, 06:38 PM
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While searching the net for more information on Sorcery I came across molochsorcery.com. I was wondering if anyone here had any experience with his works, and more specifically the book "Pragmatic Magics". Would you say Moloch's is a decent/accurate representation of Sorcery?

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post Jul 11 2006, 07:49 PM
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You know, I'd like to know the same thing. I recently found his site, and a few days after finding it, I find a post on some forum saying that his book is basically crap. I'm hoping someone who's read his book comes to reply to this.

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post Jul 11 2006, 08:59 PM
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Aha. Well, that saves me a few bucks wasted on curiousity. Mille grazie.

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QUOTE(smasher666 @ Jul 11 2006, 10:47 PM) *
QUOTE(SangueDiNapoli @ Jul 11 2006, 09:49 PM) *

You know, I'd like to know the same thing. I recently found his site, and a few days after finding it, I find a post on some forum saying that his book is basically crap. I'm hoping someone who's read his book comes to reply to this.

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Moloch sucks. UNtill I hear different from Simon himself I regard Moloch as an a@#wipe.

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I'm not trying to sound mean here, but why do you think he is crap?
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QUOTE(JT Havok @ Jul 11 2006, 07:38 PM) *
While searching the net for more information on Sorcery I came across molochsorcery.com. I was wondering if anyone here had any experience with his works, and more specifically the book "Pragmatic Magics". Would you say Moloch's is a decent/accurate representation of Sorcery?


His PM book is mainly the sorcerous use of oils and incenses, with a few rituals and other exercises thrown in, including making the power bag and the staff. If you're looking for deep dark sorcery secrets, you'll have to look elsewhere.

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QUOTE(chaos_mage4 @ Jul 14 2006, 03:14 PM) *
QUOTE(smasher666 @ Jul 11 2006, 10:47 PM) *

QUOTE(SangueDiNapoli @ Jul 11 2006, 09:49 PM) *

You know, I'd like to know the same thing. I recently found his site, and a few days after finding it, I find a post on some forum saying that his book is basically crap. I'm hoping someone who's read his book comes to reply to this.

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Moloch sucks. UNtill I hear different from Simon himself I regard Moloch as an a@#wipe.

Peace


I'm not trying to sound mean here, but why do you think he is crap?
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His books utilize methods that just about any magickian with a few hours could devise themselves and then charges outrageous prices for them.


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post Jul 19 2006, 12:24 PM
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QUOTE(Ashnook @ Jul 16 2006, 09:29 PM) *
QUOTE(chaos_mage4 @ Jul 14 2006, 03:14 PM) *

QUOTE(smasher666 @ Jul 11 2006, 10:47 PM) *

QUOTE(SangueDiNapoli @ Jul 11 2006, 09:49 PM) *

You know, I'd like to know the same thing. I recently found his site, and a few days after finding it, I find a post on some forum saying that his book is basically crap. I'm hoping someone who's read his book comes to reply to this.

.::Sempre Bene::..::Chris::.
-Fiat Lux


Moloch sucks. UNtill I hear different from Simon himself I regard Moloch as an a@#wipe.

Peace


I'm not trying to sound mean here, but why do you think he is crap?
Thanks
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His books utilize methods that just about any magickian with a few hours could devise themselves and then charges outrageous prices for them.


Thanks for responses, it seemed to me to be overpriced as well, I'll steer clear. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mamba.gif)

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post Aug 13 2006, 12:38 PM
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So, I went back to this Moloch guys site to check out the Ish that isn't written by him, and came across the "Pact with satan". Has anyone seen that bull!? Supposable you just add your own blood, and BOOM! Satan gives you power & riches...Now, supposably there are only three of these things, they go for almost 400 bucks a pop (lol, have you noticed I'm from NYC, yet?). Seeing as I love to throw away money (With a sarcasm you can't duplicate, either), next month if it's still on the site, I'll buy it, try it out, and let you guys know what happens ;-).

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Gaius what were your results?

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post Oct 19 2006, 03:23 AM
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QUOTE(gmcbroom @ Oct 17 2006, 07:25 PM) *
Gaius what were your results?


(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Fiat's post seems to be a couple of months old. Perhaps Satan ate his soul? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/diablo.gif)

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[size=3][b]Hi fellas! Guess who's in town? Now that I'm a member of Kinjo's forums, go ahead and say what you want to say right to my face.

Sorry that my books aren't PDF form. I know so many of you tremendously poweful practitioners have such financial problems that you can't manifest enough money to actually BUY a book but rather you have to beg people for free scanned copies. Wow. Well maybe one day you'll get up to that point of actually getting your magics to work. ;o)

Oh, and if you're wanting to talk smack, you're welcome to email me off list and have at it boys.


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post Feb 10 2007, 10:37 PM
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Greetings MOLOCH,

Are you the author of Necronomicon workbook?

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post Feb 11 2007, 02:06 PM
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QUOTE(Edunpanna @ Feb 10 2007, 11:37 PM) *
Greetings MOLOCH,

Are you the author of Necronomicon workbook?

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Yes the one and the same.


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post Feb 11 2007, 02:36 PM
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Greetings Moloch,

So you heard we were talking smack about you and you joined to confront us. Maybe you are not so bad after all. I hereby retract my statement that you suck. If you had been a member before now maybe we would not have been talking smack about you. Lol.

I purchased Alric Thomas Hidden Key of the Necronomicon. I must say it was well worth the $45.00 although it does not have a lot of material.

I understand that in your book Necronomicon Revelations you reworked the 50 names system with new sigils. As of yet I am unconvinced as to why I should spend $60.00 on this.

If you could please give a little insight on what is in your book. Convince me that it is worth $60.00 and I will have no qualms in buying it.

Peace!

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QUOTE(Edunpanna @ Feb 11 2007, 03:36 PM) *
Greetings Moloch,

So you heard we were talking smack about you and you joined to confront us. Maybe you are not so bad after all. I hereby retract my statement that you suck. If you had been a member before now maybe we would not have been talking smack about you. Lol.

I purchased Alric Thomas Hidden Key of the Necronomicon. I must say it was well worth the $45.00 although it does not have a lot of material.

I understand that in your book Necronomicon Revelations you reworked the 50 names system with new sigils. As of yet I am unconvinced as to why I should spend $60.00 on this.

If you could please give a little insight on what is in your book. Convince me that it is worth $60.00 and I will have no qualms in buying it.

Peace!



oh man this thread could not get any funnier! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/banana.gif)


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QUOTE(Ashnook @ Oct 19 2006, 04:23 AM) *
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Fiat's post seems to be a couple of months old. Perhaps Satan ate his soul? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/diablo.gif)

jk btw


Aye it looks like GaiusOctavian got gobbled up. SIlly devil. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/diablo.gif)

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Aye it looks like GaiusOctavian got gobbled up. SIlly devil. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/diablo.gif)




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QUOTE(Edunpanna @ Feb 11 2007, 03:36 PM) *
Greetings Moloch,

So you heard we were talking smack about you and you joined to confront us. Maybe you are not so bad after all. I hereby retract my statement that you suck. If you had been a member before now maybe we would not have been talking smack about you. Lol.


Well if you think about it, how intelligent is it to say, 'Joe Sixpack sucks!' when you don't know Joe Sixpack?? That's like a redneck stating that a jacuzzi sucks when he's never been in one or the guy selling it sucks without giving him a chance to explain why. In fact, that's juvenile behavior that Jr. High school students regularly engage in, isn't it?

If you had bought the book, read it and then said, "Well overall this suck and here's why..." I could respect that. Why? My style of writing is not for everyone. I understand that. Some folks like glazed donuts, some like powdered and some like filling inside. It's a big world out there and I'm not some dumb*ss to believe everyone is in love with what I have to offer.

Read any of MY reviews on Amazon or Zodiac Bistro www.zodiacbistro.com and you'll not even when I hate a book, I NEVER say 'It sucks!' because that sounds like a 7th grade putz. I may say WHY I dislike it but I will also try to find at least ONE redeeming thing about the book. That's what the pros do.

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I purchased Alric Thomas Hidden Key of the Necronomicon. I must say it was well worth the $45.00 although it does not have a lot of material.


Sorry, I don't have that one. I remember it. The other one IGOS offered was something like The Gates of the Necronomicon and it was only 20 pages or so long. It had the gates from the Simonomicon (Simon Necronomicon for short) and key words to allow you to safely pass the gates.

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I understand that in your book Necronomicon Revelations you reworked the 50 names system with new sigils.


Okay first off that is not my book. My book is called: Necronomian: The Necronomicon Workbook.

Please understand that when my book came out on this topic, there was NOTHING else out there on working with the Simon edition in a practical manner other than the Simon book itself. The mainstream Occult community decried its validity - just as many today seem to carry on. I wrote about my own experiences concerning the Simonomicon (short for Simon Necronomicon) and I caught a BUTTLOAD of flack from the mainstream Occult community for creating a work to support something they believe to be pastiche let alone believe I've summoned entities out of it. You know what I'm talking about folks - you've all been there. You happily tell some ceremonial jackass you got results with the Simonomicon and then you hear, 'But there is NO Necronomicon! Lovecraft made it up!' and you just sigh and politely nod your head and let the moron have his rant or bury your dagger in his skull and hide the body. lol

When I first started working with this grimoire, I had no idea WHO Lovecraft was. I bought the book at a Waldens and read it for what it was. I read it several times and had that inside feeling that "Oooh! This is going to be fun to work with!" Because at that time I had no one to tell me it was 'fake' or 'wouldn't work'. That all came much later. This was 1988 and there was no Internet or no websites about it like they proliferate today on the Net. (For all I knew AT THAT TIME, Lovecraft was some old time scribe who lived and chronicled Abdul Alhazred's journies.)

Thus without anyone telling me it's 'fake' or causing me to doubt its validity, I began to work the grimoire in earnest. I didn't believe the Watcher Calling was needed - and still a not especially if you already have your own Patron Spirit. Though many Sorcerer's don't have a Patron thus it is prudent for one to have one when dealing with the forces from this system. I had my own Occult Patron that I've worked with since I first got into the Occult and felt that Its protection was all that I needed. Thus I began my foray into the grimoire and like any good Sorcerer, I experimented.

To me, a seal of a Spirit has always been sort of 'sacred' and it is my belief that I can create a sigil to tap into the effects that a Spirit can give by creating a sigil based on Its name. The idea that anytime you write out a Spirit's Seal, you're in effect summoning It's notice at least didn't quite appeal to me. Though if I want to give an offering to a particular Spirit for helping me, I draw It's Seal, and summon It then give It the offering or draw It's Seal onto the gift.

I have used these new sigils on talismans, a staff, even on a bathroom wall where I wanted to cause some problems for the business' owner, and so on.

There is also a method for accessing the Dreamlands thru an astral portal listed in the latter part of the book.

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If you could please give a little insight on what is in your book. Convince me that it is worth $60.00 and I will have no qualms in buying it.


Well I have no control over the price of it - that is set by the publisher. When it first came out it was $19.95 and it was hardbound at that price then. Folks were buying it thru B&N, Borders, and even Waldens though it was special ordered from them. When SONA took over, they increased the prices of ALL their books and booklets, not just mine.

Ever see how much Andrew Chumbley's Azoetia is going for??? Well over a thousand but, he only printed like 77 copies at any one time. My book was never meant for mass market publication. So to compare what I offer to something like Alric's work is not comparing apples to apples even thoguh the subject matter may be similar.

Hope that helps explain where I'm coming from more.

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Greetings'MOLOCH,

Actually I was born in the middle of a swamp. So although I might be a swamp billy I am not a redneck. I think you gotta be racist or something to qualify for that one.

Ok bro you talked me into it. Give me a web site where I can buy this as it seems hard to find. Since you are a new member with less than 30 posts you might have to email the link to me. Kinjo has wisely disabled links by new members to reduce the volume of spam we get.

I am going to have my wife buy this for my Valentines Day gift. So it better be good or I'll be pissed! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I will later review this book in book review.

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Actually I was born in the middle of a swamp. So although I might be a swamp billy I am not a redneck. I think you gotta be racist or something to qualify for that one.


LOL No no no. I was NOT inferring you were a redneck. I was implying that it IS immature to say that someone 'sucks' when you've never had contact with that person. I used redneck only as an example and the Gods know I've had my share of confrontations with those nutjobs. (No I didn't used to sell jacuzzi's either lol it was only an analogy)

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Ok bro you talked me into it. Give me a web site where I can buy this as it seems hard to find. Since you are a new member with less than 30 posts you might have to email the link to me. Kinjo has wisely disabled links by new members to reduce the volume of spam we get.


That's what I do with my own YahooGroups. I make all newbies subject to a waiting period where I will restrict what they can post. I've had people join only wanting to spam the board and now THAT sucks! ;o)

By the way, I'm having trouble with posting and such. Everytime I try and post something I'm getting a pink box with "You do not have permission to do that" even though yesterday I didn't have that problem. Any ideas on how I can fix this?

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I am going to have my wife buy this for my Valentines Day gift. So it better be good or I'll be pissed! I will later review this book in book review.


Well if you're willing to do a professional review, then I'll gladly give you a copy. Plus the fact that you're an advocate of said Magical system, I do NOT expect to see 'This sucks' but be professional about it and point out what you don't like and what you DO like. That way even if you don't like it, you're not out anything.

It's only available now in Spiral Bound with plastic comb. The hardbacks are no longer available so if anyone has one of those, they're collector's items.

All the Best,

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Edunpanna' post='27494' date='Feb 12 2007, 05:51 PM']
I was joking. Lol (IMG:style_emoticons/default/evil2.gif)

For anyone interested Molochs book can be found here. http://www.molochsorcery.com/catalog/item/...294/3036811.htm

What is your yahoo group?

Ashnook and I moderate a small Necronomicon group also.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DisciplesofEnki/

I would love to review your book.

Zi dingir Gibil Kanpa!

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QUOTE(Edunpanna @ Feb 12 2007, 07:42 PM) *
Edunpanna' post='27494' date='Feb 12 2007, 05:51 PM']
I was joking. Lol (IMG:style_emoticons/default/evil2.gif)

For anyone interested Molochs book can be found here. http://www.molochsorcery.com/catalog/item/...294/3036811.htm

What is your yahoo group?


I moderate three but the main one is

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theguildofsorcery/

and the other one that deals with Evocaton is

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evocationalmagics

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DisciplesofEnki/


Cool. I'll have to apply to join. Are either of you members of

http://groups.yahoo.com/Yog-Sothery/

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I have ordered a copy from my publisher and will get it and sign and mail it off to you soon. Gime a few weeks though.

Just bear in mind I come from a completely different paradigm than most of you guys. You're an avowed Priest within the Simonomicon cosmology whereas I'm a Sorcerer with no religious or philosophical ties. My background - albeit Faustian Ritual Magic oriented - is also one of the Bokor or the Sorcerer. Many label this path 'low magic' and in truth there is much to it that IS low magic or Sorcery oriented however there is much about it that is very high.

This is the problem where labels come in as they are usually inadequate at explaining such things.

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Greetings MOLOCH,

I think it is good to look at everything from different angles. I would expect your eclectic background would be a plus and not a minus to the opus.

Looking forward to reading it.

i joined the yahoo groups.

Peace!

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Hello moloch, though I dont have anything to necessarily add to this post...I would like to applaud you on how you handled your book being put down by others. Its nice to see someone who is ready to defend their point of view from unwarranted criticism...people like this seem to be a dying breed. Bravo, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clapping.gif)


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Hi everyone (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I saw this topic before time, but i decide to write now.
It's a interesting discussion about the Moloch sorcery.
Unfortunately i live in small country in Europe, and here the access to occult books and knowledge is very limited.
Last year I spend the summer in USA and i bought a good occult books and stuffs from different shops and stores.

You speak here for the Necronomicon Workbook, but i wish to speak about one other book of Brother Moloch - Voodoo Magic Course.
It's good written and i liked. Yes it's not contain a lot of rituals, but i tryed some of them and they really works. Even the course is not sharing
all the voodoo & hoodoo secrets (and i think no one book is able to do that) the book presents very good things.
Also i wish to concern and the Finbarr booklets that Molochsorcery offer, i have some of them and they are really good
and genuine books about the magick. Some of the books we can find here in PDF, but all of them is really hard to find somewhere, except Molochsorcery, SONA, and maybe on Finbarr in London if they still exist. So it's a good work from Br.Moloch to offer all of this book still on the peoples that want to learn all this secrets.
About the other Moloch magic courses i don't know because i don't have them, but i think that for the peoples who want to learn some occult practices they will offer a good knowledge even the secrets can be found on another books or grimoires as Necronomicon, The Magus...etc.
I have only one critic about some of the books, some of them are really expensive and that will stop a lot of peoples who want to learn magic to buy them, but who knows?...it's maybe a decision on the publishers.

P.S. Sorry if my english is bad...but i still learn.
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