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Walking Gates of The Necronomicon, Gate Experiances and Questions / Ask Here |
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DarkGoddess |
Dec 19 2006, 05:03 PM
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Here's another perspective: Doing it as a priest and doing it as a magickian are two different things.
I'm not so sure "gate walking" (a magickian's undertaking) out of order is a great idea, however, I don't think that going to one's deity directly is wrong. I mean, what is the purpose in worshipping a deity, and having to go through the realms of others to get there?
But there again, when I first met Ereshkigal, I was not gatewalking, I was merely attening my altar and sacrifices, and was brought to Ganzir by her, and given a sigil to use to access it directly with no intermediary gatewalking. I took this as s ign that as a priestess, I was not to visit the realms of others, but serve Ereshkigal directly. So I'd venture a guess that your headache was due to out-of-order gate walking, and thought she seemed pleased to see you, or at least pleased at your devotion, out of order gatewalking, or even gatewalking itself, may not be the way she wants you to come to her.
Here's an idea for those worried about new people coming in and trying something potentially dangerous such as this, you have enough posts to start your own blog. You could post such things there, and people can comment there on it. Thus ensuring more experienced people will see it, rather than neophytes.
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To these I turn, in these I trust; Brother Lead and Sister Steel. To his blind power I make appeal; I guard her beauty clean from rust.
He spins and burns and loves the air, And splits a skull to win my praise; But up the nobly marching days She glitters naked, cold and fair.
Sweet Sister, grant your soldier this; That in good fury he may feel The body where he sets his heel Quail from your downward darting kiss.
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distillate |
Dec 19 2006, 05:35 PM
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QUOTE(Edunpanna @ Dec 19 2006, 09:55 AM) Dont play with the gates. U will seriously fock yourself up. You are walking the gates out of order? Dont be surprised if you have a string of bad luck. Dont be surprised if your life starts spiralling out of control. Do not play with any more gates out of order. You need to start with Nanna and work your way back up to Inanna to protect yourself from the gate forces. I am not trying to be a d!ck head here. I just feel that you need to be warned. You are playing with fire. And posting this on the forum you might persude some other people to f%*! themselves up. Not cool. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/face08.gif) I would have to agree with you on this point. since everyone I have taken that out of order adventure with is either addicted to drugs, dead, in jail, or locked up (crazy). Edit: actually everyone I know who practice the nec and sumerian rites ended up crazy wheter they did it in order or not *shrug* maybe the mad arab is the prophet of that magic. This post has been edited by distillate: Dec 19 2006, 05:55 PM
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"We have wandered into a state of prolonged neurosis because of the absence of a direct pipeline to the unconscious and we have then fallen victim to priestcraft of every conceivable sort. "
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mystick |
Dec 20 2006, 01:14 AM
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QUOTE(OmNamaShivaya @ Dec 19 2006, 08:15 AM) Hey guys,i went way above my head yesterday and tried experienting with gates with no experience whatever.Me being pulled to the system not for passing the gates specifically but for my Goddess Inanna,and even though i know the dangers of experimenting i decided to..i wanted to see whether i could enter inanna's realm without passing every gate one at a time..
i abstained for three days from meat and meditated,also i painted the seal of inanna on a piece of wood with Gold paint as the background..I then drew the Inanna Gate and in the middle of the gate i drew the seal of inanna.I set up my altar for inanna and sacrificed bread for her,jossstick and a red candle anointed with rose essence.. called the watcher to guard me and then started doing the walking round and round which i had a hard time keeping count,after 15 times i went to the centre and fell to the ground,i sorta fainted..
i had this kinda blur vision of travelling somewhere,blur as in not as vivid as real life or a lucid dream,the vision was abit foggy..i was passing by an area of black fog that surrounded me and cud onli see in front of me,at a distance i saw this wonderful throne with a female figure clad Fully in Gold and surrounding her were quite a number of Naked Hotties:)..the Gold clad lady in the throne looked at me from the distance and i could see her flash a smile at me..A few seconds later the black fog completely consumed me and i awoke back in my circle with a throbbing headache at the back of my head.the headache continued for hours and even a forced sleep couldnt rid me of it..Strange thing was i realized after some time that i was still wearing my frontlet of calling on my neck and the moment i took it off,the pain disappeared.. Kool act of devotion :-) But dont always do dangerous stuff. Inanna is Kool and comprehensible so its okie... but sometimes to go to one gate one must be like purified by the previous gate... But for Inanna, as you are a priest of her, i guess you did not want to do the gate as such but only wanted to pay her respect, so that should be ok. Still Inanna indirectly and nicely sent you the message that you need to do a proper walking to her gate or to do all the other gates before :-) This post has been edited by mystick: Dec 20 2006, 01:17 AM
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OmNamaShivaya |
Dec 20 2006, 11:43 AM
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Seriously bro..It was an inocent question,dont have to be so harsh with your words..i asked the questions on the forum because that is the only way i can learn since im coming from a country where nobody uses this system. All the knowledge i have, i learned from guys like you ashnook suxur, mystick and darkgoddess..i recall someone on the forum posting about how one should explore the four gates thoroughly before commencing gate walking,so this was to clarify my doubts..
Experienced guys like you, know more than others that the system itself isnt complete and the only way we can open up the system more is by exploring and that we do that by asking questions continually not by following blindly without thinking like many mainstream religions have been preaching.Yes blinds are there to protect the sytem but after a certain time they do hinder the workings of the system because of the limited knowledge we have of it.
Im not trying to be a super cool magician like you said,or trying to give ideas to exploit the system,im sincerely trying to learn.You said that newbies may read the posts and do destructive stuff to themselves..More than likely they will only destroy thmeselves when they explore into unknown territory which i admit i did with the inanna gate thing but.Guys like you already have hidden knowledge of the system particularly the directional gates so instead of making something a forbidden fruit by hiding the information why dont you guys make the unknown territory known.Why not explain the significance of the directional gates and then explain the dangers.Then im sure people wont try and do things stupidly..
The necronomicon book has been around for ages in many bookstores but not everyone has read it,not everyone has logged into this forum,so people who are reading this particular post had of course been fated to..
P.S i have all the respect in the world for you bro,but someone with your experience and stature shudnt have to resort to petty name calling..Peace..
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OmNamaShivaya |
Dec 20 2006, 09:09 PM
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QUOTE(Edunpanna @ Dec 21 2006, 10:02 AM) Greetings 'OmNamaShivaya,
Sorry if I have come off as a dork hole. I am not trying yo sling mud in your eye.
Peace! its ok bro,i understand your concerns and i respect that.We may have different ways of thinking but no matter what,we will still be fighting side by side when the time calls for it..Peace.. To gmcbroom,thanks for the comments bro..Other than the methods of banishing posted i also use a banishing that i have used successfully from a hindu method,its a mantra and prayer to the Lord Surya,in other words The Sun.There is a statue of the sun god in my altar and i utilize his blessings when working with the Nec..Sort of utlizing the Statue to invoke the essence of Solar rays to blast my area of working. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/angry_pissed_off_emoticon.gif) The reasons my questions on the directional gates arose was because in Ceremonial magick i use the elemental tablets of earth,air fire and water on the four corners and to my knowledge they are areas that can be explored as the four different realms of elemental beings.This i realised while i was meditating on the tattwa cards recommended by konstantinos as i was looking at the blue circle of one of the tattwas and meditating on the name shaddai el chai the blue cirlce started swirling around and i saw figures of a great king and also a few other elementals in the card itself. anyways coming back on topic,in the working of the Nec we invoke and open the four directional gates correct,but since they are so powerful and not to be meddled with,how come we never close them after the work is done? in a proper gate walking itself we are open to attack by the demons and stuff because we travel to their realm right?so isnt it possible that by opening up this four gates without understanding anythin about it,these same entities could also enter into our realm if left unchecked?almost like an open door to our realm..
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mystick |
Dec 20 2006, 09:43 PM
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QUOTE(OmNamaShivaya @ Dec 21 2006, 07:09 AM) its ok bro,i understand your concerns and i respect that.We may have different ways of thinking but no matter what,we will still be fighting side by side when the time calls for it..Peace.. To gmcbroom,thanks for the comments bro..Other than the methods of banishing posted i also use a banishing that i have used successfully from a hindu method,its a mantra and prayer to the Lord Surya,in other words The Sun.There is a statue of the sun god in my altar and i utilize his blessings when working with the Nec..Sort of utlizing the Statue to invoke the essence of Solar rays to blast my area of working. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/angry_pissed_off_emoticon.gif) The reasons my questions on the directional gates arose was because in Ceremonial magick i use the elemental tablets of earth,air fire and water on the four corners and to my knowledge they are areas that can be explored as the four different realms of elemental beings.This i realised while i was meditating on the tattwa cards recommended by konstantinos as i was looking at the blue circle of one of the tattwas and meditating on the name shaddai el chai the blue cirlce started swirling around and i saw figures of a great king and also a few other elementals in the card itself. anyways coming back on topic,in the working of the Nec we invoke and open the four directional gates correct,but since they are so powerful and not to be meddled with,how come we never close them after the work is done? in a proper gate walking itself we are open to attack by the demons and stuff because we travel to their realm right?so isnt it possible that by opening up this four gates without understanding anythin about it,these same entities could also enter into our realm if left unchecked?almost like an open door to our realm.. the banishing you do is real kool :-) thats great. :-) i am impressed. As for the directional gates issue, you could try think well about it. Like for instance, do i know the consequences, do i know whats on the other side? if not, then it could be not a good idea of doing them right now.... Progress more and work with the names of the spellbook and some will guide you with your projects. Try asking Aranunna if what you want to do is good or not... I know the Gods like courage but not stupidity. So use your brain a lot along with courage :-) I agree that its by asking questions that one gets answers or by experimenting. Its good that you ask first rather than experiment. Just put a notice before you post that this stuff is something real dangerous and unpredictable etc and you are only asking questions to experienced ones who might have more knowledge on that..... regards mystick
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Ashnook |
Dec 21 2006, 03:51 AM
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While the directional gates correspond to four of the Gate gods, they are also "cosmic" in a sense as Eabatu put it. They are there for protection, but there is also another, much more important, reason. The images used in the directional gates were designed in such a way as to interact with the sub-concious mind to allow our concious mind to more easily work with the forces that we are invoking. Becuase of the complexity of this, as well as the obvious danger of interacting with the sub-concious mind before one begins to know what is there, an exploration of the directional gates early on in ones path is, at best, down right dangerous. While the original question was a very valid question, the material it concerned is a dangerous material if explored with out the correct frame of mind. I whole heartedly agree with and applaud your thirst for knowledge and experimentation, but let those experiments be controlled experiments for quite some time.
The Necronomicon is riddled with images and key words that are used for the sole purpose of unlocking primordial and completly untapped parts of our mind. You could read 1000 books and theories. You could search every blog, post, and website concerning the material. This would only give you a glimpse of the path that is ahead of you or anyone else who picks up the tome. What we view as real has now become the surreal in every aspect of the word. Straying too far from the beaten path before one has a very solid grip of every aspect of their mind and every aspect of their soul could have devastating results.
It is obvious that you have an interest in the directional gates. If you would like to investigate them at the moment in time than I would suggest that you observe them and go no further until a much later date after fully initiating yourself fully into the system. Open the directional gates once every two days and keep a journal of it for around three months or so. Even this has it dangers though. If at any time your journal begins to become more sporadic or dark, cease the endevour at once. Let us not forget was the Mad Arab says on page 98 of the Necronomicon, in the "Book of Calling."
Your Brother in Light, Ashnook
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distillate |
Dec 21 2006, 10:08 PM
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QUOTE(Edunpanna @ Dec 21 2006, 06:43 PM) Greetings 'distillate, I did no know that any of the Maklu tablets contained anything concerning the gates. Most of what I have read seemed to be spells intended to either curse or heal. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/mf_popeanim.gif) U got any links or sources etc? The rituals are to be performed at certain times of the day and includes Gods on all sides of the panthean to come to ones aid. For instance the beginning opens with an invocation to the Gods of the night sky, then introduces the heavenly court of the skygod Anu and the Netherworld of Ereskigal. Second divsion in the Ritual is in the cosmic and divine area of the Enlil Circle (the Ekur). The third divsion is Shamash (and Girra), and his Daughter of the morning sky (goddess of dreams) along side them is Ea's (Enki) temple Which introduces Ea and Asalluhi (Marduk) in the Subterranean Apsu. It is all based on the preist ascenting to the stars and visiting these gods. If you can find the article buy Tzvi Abusch called "Ascent to the Stars in Mesopotamian Ritual" it explains it. If you can't find it try emailing him, he likes people who are intrested in his work. He also has the best english translation of the maqlu, but he won't give it out (IMG: style_emoticons/default/angry_pissed_off_emoticon.gif) http://www.brandeis.edu/departments/nejs/F...nchor--Tz-21879This post has been edited by distillate: Dec 21 2006, 11:23 PM
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