Evoking Living People. Options

I was wondering if anyone had ever tried to evoke a living person wile useing their signature as the sigil. Just out of curiosity and for the sake of theory could this even be done? Perhaps you would evoke their higher self , or their astral body.

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I was wondering if anyone had ever tried to evoke a living person wile useing their signature as the sigil. Just out of curiosity and for the sake of theory could this even be done? Perhaps you would evoke their higher self , or their astral body.

Me and some friends tried this, after I had read your post.

Here's what went down.

I have two friends involved, we did four evocations - one for each of them both awake and asleep.

I used a non-denominational method, a bowl with the preferred incense and herbs for smoke, a black mirror, two candles, and a picture with a signature from both parties. I created a standard altar/circle arrangement, the circle just a black circle drawn on a large square of cotton fabric.

I wrote a conjuration specific to living beings, aiming at calling forth the Intelligent pricipal of an individual.

I performed the first part of the evocation in the physical world, and the second part in the astral.

LBRP, MidPil, QC - Invocation

"Spirit within, Remember,
Who connecteth all and maketh hearts to unite, Remember!
Let the veil between the Dreamer and the Dream be parted
Let the spirits of the dream carry forth my voice into the world between
To the ear of him/she who I call forth, *Name*
Let that spirit which only he/she hath known come forth
Let that voice which only he/she hath heard be called,
Spirit of *name*, Remember!
By the Blood of Man, I call thee!
By the Blood of the Gods, I call thee!
By the ties that bind us, I call thee!
The veil is opened unto thee,
Come forth!"

There are references in the invocation to aspects of my own paradigm of the mechanics of consciousness and the connections between individuals an the Cosmic Mind. The 'spirit within' is your own spirit, which exists on the astral, and the call to remember is simply a device to arouse the 'attention' of the inner self. "Who connecteth all and maketh hearts to unite" is the superconscious principle, the 'higher self' of the 'higher self'. The veil between dreamer and dream is the illusion of perception - this line establishes connection between the Conscious mind and the Inter-consciousness which creates the dream we all share. So far the invocation appeals to the astral principles that connect people. The spirit of the dream is the spirit of humanity, essentially. The next line is obvious... The spirit and voice which only (subject) hath known, is a call to the innermost spirit of that person, the subconscious mind, in retrospect. The call to remember is, again, arousing the spirit of the person in question... THe blood of man is a reference to the mutual connection of the flesh, and the Blood of the Gods is a reference to the mutual spiritual connection, and the ties that bind is a reference to the various personal connections - in this case there were plenty. The last is the invitation proper.

As with an invocation of power, there is an astral, emotional, and semantic component. As per tradition, the former two are deeply personal, but the astral language should be obvious to anyone experienced enough to have an astral vocabulary in this field.

I chanted the invocation multiple times on each occaision. When the first hint of 'presence' developed, I shifted my work to my Astral temple.

One of my friends is a girl. When she was asleep, the spirit that appeared was fluid, and did not retain one shape for very long. It began as a swarm of butterflies, and progressed through a number of relatively interesting animals, most of whom appeared very frightened. They communicated similarly to other purely astral entities, through echos of thoughts and symbolic images, but with a great deal of coherency. Communication was erratic, though. I asked simple questions largely concerning her feelings about her career, her spiritual growth, and her health - matters I know she would not mind me delving into. Answers were abstract and largely self-depricating.

When she was awake, the spirit that appeared was more like her, humanoid, but her features were twisted a bit, and she constantly seemed to be preoccupied with self-judgement - she would frequently stray from the topic at hand, and I was unable to direct her towards answering my questions specifically.

My other friend is a young man. When he was asleep, the entity that appeared was very light and airy, but very intense. he had moments of similarity in appearance to my friend, but shifted into various animals seemingly symbolic of his reaction to whatever I had said. I asked the same kinds of questions as with my other friend, but the answers I got were very speculative sounding, and not direct. There seemed to be a kind of avoidance. Normally in this situation I would bind a spirit and force a direct answer, but being as these were potentially the spirits of my friends, I kept our exchange completely casual.

While he was awake, the spirit I encountered was humanoid, but made of fire and wind - his shape changed erratically into geometric echoes and back to the initial form. His energy was enlivening, but the answers he gave were very abstract and largely circular; every question got the same basic answer.

I talked with my friends about the experiment, and it sparked a lot of conversation about how they feel about themselves, how they process information, and all in all I would say it was a successful experiment. I believe that the nature of the spirit called is subconcious (as opposed to consicous or unconscious). Neither of them remembered the dreams they had while asleep that night, nor experienced anything particularly paranormal during the day on the second set of evocations. Both agreed, though, that the answers related were accurate, although it is worth noting that determining that took a lot of 'soul searching'.

I think there is a great potential for this practice, between consenting individuals, towards all sorts of things. I think it might also be abused easily, however. I have not tried evoking the presence of the spirit of someone I do not know, or who would be unwilling to come forth. I do suspect, though, that someone unwilling to be called would more than likely simply not answer questions. When put to the 'fire' so to speak, I don't know what sort of repercussions could arise - perhaps paranoia, defensiveness, and depression on the part of the conjured.

Careful brothers and sisters, a spirit is a terrible thing to waste.

peace

I have a problem with this. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/7.gif)


Why do you want to invoke a living person? It sounds like a control thing.

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A control thing, hm? Well, that just makes the whole topic 10 times better! lol. Crazy ish VD, makes me want to try some not so nice things. lol. Hey, I'd be willing to voulenteer to be evoked. It sounds like a trip ;-).

.::Sempre Bene::..::Chris::.
-Fiat Lux

A control thing, hm? Well, that just makes the whole topic 10 times better! lol. Crazy ish VD, makes me want to try some not so nice things. lol. Hey, I'd be willing to voulenteer to be evoked. It sounds like a trip ;-).

.::Sempre Bene::..::Chris::.
-Fiat Lux

Well, technically it's evocation, as opposed to invocation...

As far as control - yes, it could be applied that way. I believe there are defenses against unwanted evocation of your own astral body. Both of my subjects were openly willing to participate in the experiment, and trust me implicitly. I personally wouldn't try and evoke someone's spirit unless I had laready gotten their permission, the same way i wouldn't do magick for someone unless they asked for it. Even then...

I do not know if there are variables present involving the subject's willingness to participate. It's possible that, having a material anchor in the form of a body, an individual cannot be conjured in this fashion if they don't want it. Non-physical entities have no such luxury, and whatever strength they have to prevent themselves from being conjured is, I believe, subsumed by the pull of someone with a material anchor. But who knows? I'd have to try and conjure someone unwilling, and that's rather against my ethics.

I would be interested in doing an evocation with someone I am not intimately familiar with, as a control for the experiment. It would require your trust, of course. I feel this is not a difficult task for anyone with sufficient experience with evocation in the first place. It was not much more difficult for me that conjuring any other non-physical entity, in fact perhaps easier because of the physical nature of my connection to my friends. Which is to say, I believe the experiment can be reproduced by someone you are more familiar with.

Ah, it is worth noting that any magickal practice can be utilized for good or ill. Even 'healing' can be twisted to make a person unhealthy, or the conduit established for healing be abused for control.

peace

There is a working popularly used in javanese kejawen tradition called "tarik sukmo" lit. means "soul pulling" where you enter a meditative trance state and with a specific technique/ritual to retrieve the consciousness of the target (even a person you've never met before). The target consciousness would be present in your consciousness where you'll be able to question them whatever you want and they're somehow obliged to tell you the truth. From the information I have, you can retrieve or invoke their consciousness/copy of astral body when they're asleep or even when they're awake. When they're awake while "tarik sukmo" is being used on them, their physical body and mind will tend to wonder (daydream) and won't notice somebody is retrieving information from them. Unless the target have psychic sensitivity they won't even notice or remember a thing.

Hey, whenever anyone wants to experiment with conjuring people they don't know, look me up. I'm a cocky magician, and have my own spirit friends, so I wont be worried about being controlled, or anything of the such.

.::Sempre Bene::..::Chris::.
-Fiat Lux

The idea is a interesting one.

Though similar things have happened, in different fashions, even unwittingly, or at least been imagined.

A interesting fictional account of what one might consider a evocation of a living person takes place in Fortune's (,Dion) Moon Magic, within the first 70 pgs or so.

"...having a material anchor in the form of a body, an individual cannot be conjured in this fashion if they don't want it."

Reminds me of another work by Fortune in her The Secrets of Dr. Taverner. "The Subletting of the Mansion" I think is the one.

Work of this nature would be simple enough to do on unwilling participants, Lord knows there are plenty of ways to develop the "astral links" needed in the information age ( especially through photographs on blogs, bios, etc ).

Although for a willing participant I think there are plenty of naive persons willing to leap right into the fray, though I wouldn't recommend this sort of experimenting with what one might consider "spiritually infantile" individuals.

Perhaps if a person had at the very v. least a humble background of daily ritual practice ( the LBRP for at least a few months, perhaps some depth/psychoanalyitic therapy even ), then it would be a safer for you to prod their "astral shells".

I understand wanting to experiment with persons which you are not closely familiar with, but you would have to understand the reluctance of persons to willingly subject themselves to this sort of thing.

Of course this practice has more then enough worthwhile aims for the ethically invalid, but what would be the real purpose for persons who might consider themselves more upright? Not going holier then thou and perhaps I'm just short-sighted, but seriously why would you really desire to evoke a living [consenting] person? To interrogate them? You can do that in their waking hours, right next to them and if they are interested in letting you know, they will.

Interesting topic all the same,
Nick

Well, so far I think that some of the positive uses, or shall I say reasons, for this practice is in it's objective, unobstructed retrival of information which can run very deeply. The questions I asked my friends' spirits involved issues that I know them to have problems with. When we talked about the information I recieved, it opened the door to a process of deeper self-examination towards a better understanding of how they unconsciously hold themselves back, berate themselves, circumvent commitment to goals, etc. For some people, especially those not making a life-path out of self-observation, issues like that are hard to pinpoint. Sometimes people don't want to look a the negative parts of themselves, or want to lay the blame for their problems elsewhere. Sometimes something is wrong, but you don't know what it is, or your unconscious mind is unwilling to give you the information you're looking for because you don't think you're ready to confront it. This technique can, it seems, help to circumvent that, or offer external confirmation of things we have considered, but didn't accept. External confirmation is very, very important to the average person.

So, the good reasons for doing it are, as with most magickal practice, those involving growth and self-realization.

The list of negative reasons is significantly longer, as per usual.

peace

Well, so far I think that some of the positive uses, or shall I say reasons, for this practice is in it's objective, unobstructed retrival of information which can run very deeply. The questions I asked my friends' spirits involved issues that I know them to have problems with. When we talked about the information I recieved, it opened the door to a process of deeper self-examination towards a better understanding of how they unconsciously hold themselves back, berate themselves, circumvent commitment to goals, etc. For some people, especially those not making a life-path out of self-observation, issues like that are hard to pinpoint. Sometimes people don't want to look a the negative parts of themselves, or want to lay the blame for their problems elsewhere. Sometimes something is wrong, but you don't know what it is, or your unconscious mind is unwilling to give you the information you're looking for because you don't think you're ready to confront it. This technique can, it seems, help to circumvent that, or offer external confirmation of things we have considered, but didn't accept. External confirmation is very, very important to the average person.

So, the good reasons for doing it are, as with most magickal practice, those involving growth and self-realization.

The list of negative reasons is significantly longer, as per usual.

peace

Now I can commend that.

Do you have any formal training in Psychology/Counseling yourself?

Well, so far I think that some of the positive uses, or shall I say reasons, for this practice is in it's objective, unobstructed retrival of information which can run very deeply. The questions I asked my friends' spirits involved issues that I know them to have problems with. When we talked about the information I recieved, it opened the door to a process of deeper self-examination towards a better understanding of how they unconsciously hold themselves back, berate themselves, circumvent commitment to goals, etc. For some people, especially those not making a life-path out of self-observation, issues like that are hard to pinpoint. Sometimes people don't want to look a the negative parts of themselves, or want to lay the blame for their problems elsewhere. Sometimes something is wrong, but you don't know what it is, or your unconscious mind is unwilling to give you the information you're looking for because you don't think you're ready to confront it. This technique can, it seems, help to circumvent that, or offer external confirmation of things we have considered, but didn't accept. External confirmation is very, very important to the average person.

So, the good reasons for doing it are, as with most magickal practice, those involving growth and self-realization.

The list of negative reasons is significantly longer, as per usual.

peace

Now I can commend that.

Do you have any formal training in Psychology/Counseling yourself?

In the course of my initial exploration into 'high' magick, There was much talk of symbolism, etc... it lead me to explore jungian psychology especially. Much of my paradigm on magick deals with the psyche and it's effect on what we manifest and why, as a result. To say formal training would be a bit much, but I have plenty of academia.

That said, there is, I feel a level of responsibility on both the part of the magician and any potential 'subject' of this experiment, is in order - on the part of the magician not to lead the subject into agreeing with the information, and on the part of the subject to contemplate the personal symbolism of the information, and objectively interpret it's accuracy and relavence, if it has either.

A little bit of magick, a little bit of logic, and nobody loses an eye. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/13.gif)

I would be interested in doing an evocation with someone I am not intimately familiar with, as a control for the experiment. It would require your trust, of course. I feel this is not a difficult task for anyone with sufficient experience with evocation in the first place.

To what end?

From the information I have, you can retrieve or invoke their consciousness/copy of astral body when they're asleep or even when they're awake. When they're awake while "tarik sukmo" is being used on them, their physical body and mind will tend to wonder (daydream) and won't notice somebody is retrieving information from them. Unless the target have psychic sensitivity they won't even notice or remember a thing.

It all adds up to a MegaBlah (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blablabla.gif) *sigh* I talk too much. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/black eye.gif)

Do you suppose anything sinister is afoot? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/banana.gif)


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Vagrant Dreamer,

You've most certainly constructed a curious concept, which I believe might have the potential to be used in some cases of short-term dynamic therapy. Since you have a solid understanding of both Jungian psychology & high magick perhaps it'll have a decent infrastructure to begin being built upon to eventually join the obscure monuments of esoteric psychology.

How much data are you collecting on each experiment? The more, the better of course.

It really goes without saying, but be sure to give yourself boundaries and if you come across a individual that you know or believe might be beyond your ability to help, refer them to a trained & certified Psychologist. Not that I think that you are any less qualified than some of the individuals prancing about as Psychologists. So long as you're not trying to treat a dissociative identity disorder or offering to treat people that are taking 100mg doses of Clozapine just to make it through the day, I can fully support what you're attempting.

You already know this apparently, but of course as with anything of a experimental nature: proceed with caution & tread lightly. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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Nick



Alafair,
I think you may have missed Vagrant Dreamer's priveous post (post #10) in it's entirety, he's already addressed your question.

Vagrant Dreamer,

You've most certainly constructed a curious concept, which I believe might have the potential to be used in some cases of short-term dynamic therapy. Since you have a solid understanding of both Jungian psychology & high magick perhaps it'll have a decent infrastructure to begin being built upon to eventually join the obscure monuments of esoteric psychology.

How much data are you collecting on each experiment? The more, the better of course.

It really goes without saying, but be sure to give yourself boundaries and if you come across a individual that you know or believe might be beyond your ability to help, refer them to a trained & certified Psychologist. Not that I think that you are any less qualified than some of the individuals prancing about as Psychologists. So long as you're not trying to treat a dissociative identity disorder or offering to treat people that are taking 100mg doses of Clozapine just to make it through the day, I can fully support what you're attempting.

You already know this apparently, but of course as with anything of a experimental nature: proceed with caution & tread lightly. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

LVX,
Nick



Alafair,
I think you may have missed Vagrant Dreamer's priveous post (post #10) in it's entirety, he's already addressed your question.

I'm collecting as much data as it's possible to collect... it's all in the vacabulary i'm used to working with, which amounts to something akin to equations of symbols.

I don't know how many individuals i'll come across... I certainly don't intend to make a counseling practice out of it. I do not know that I will ever take the oppurtunity, for instance, to take this approach with someone who really is deeply disturbed, so I may never know personally how those psychological disturbances manifest astrally, beyond the direct observation of said individuals from the 'outside'. Some amount of audacity is necessary to push the boundaries of what is considered 'safe' in order to further map the territory of magickal application, but the responsibility in that audacity is something i'm not eager to assume.

I think it would be an interesting thing for our society to develope counseling techniques which take the occultist mind into account, though. The psychologists I frequented as a teenager wrongly interpreted much of my perspective and behaviour which, now a bit older and significantly wiser, I know to have been manifestations of my magickal progress which could have been alleviated with the proper expertise in occult philosophy and psychology. The mind and personality of the 'born' occultist is, I believe, fundamentally different than that of the 'normal' individual. Those differences should be worked through, not around. The occultist mind should be lead towards integration of magick and life, not the release of so-called fantasies and delusions - so called only because the attending psychologist has no academic or personal means to relate to the occult perspective.

As the average age of the initiate occultist begins to drop, kids getting involved in magickal practice earlier and earlier as the age wears on, the internet a massive resource for information which is often inaccurate or incomplete, ten thousand books written for commercial gain on the shelves at barnes and noble, it is easier and easier for young people to misinterpret the universe and develope an ego complex too early. I can't decide if I think that presents an early challenge to overcome, or stacks the cards against the inititiates. With that growing occult youth population, though, it seems that supplying those young people with some mode of counseling, when it is necessary, which takes into account their occult experience, and what path they are trying to make in life, could help many to circumvent the psychological repercussions that can occur in the adolescent mind.

Because of society's view on magick, individual spirituality, and the occult, taking up these practices at a young age is inevitably a form of withdrawal from mainstream society. Not at all a negative thing in principal, certainly the mainstream needs to change a little, but as a consequence of passing into adult hood with that attitude many occultists who started young end up less functional in society because of it, chasing promises of power they began pursuing before they knew any better.

We cannot stop the flow of information, and make the occult less accessible, nor should we. Instead, society should adapt to compensate and maintain balance. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blablabla.gif)

Pardon my brief rant, Its something I feel strongly about.

peace

I would be interested in doing an evocation with someone I am not intimately familiar with, as a control for the experiment. It would require your trust, of course. I feel this is not a difficult task for anyone with sufficient experience with evocation in the first place.

To what end?

From the information I have, you can retrieve or invoke their consciousness/copy of astral body when they're asleep or even when they're awake. When they're awake while "tarik sukmo" is being used on them, their physical body and mind will tend to wonder (daydream) and won't notice somebody is retrieving information from them. Unless the target have psychic sensitivity they won't even notice or remember a thing.

It all adds up to a MegaBlah (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blablabla.gif) *sigh* I talk too much. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/black eye.gif)

Do you suppose anything sinister is afoot? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/banana.gif)


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In the first instance, "To what end" may I perform this experiment, it is in the interest of a scientific approach to collecting data. Not only must the experiment be reproducible, but I must know what it's limitations are in the field that I hope to apply it towards. This requires that every variable be altered in it's turn, to understand how each variable effects the total outcome.

It is all together possible that the evocation itself has hinged on the rapport I have with my companions - which certainly suggests that the process is feasible in any case, but taints the variables with an uncommon situation. So, it may have been less the evocation process, and the communcation with the astral being, and more the connection specific to myself and my friends. A form of ritualized telepathy or clairsentience. fifty percent of the communcation between myself and my companions is non-verbal and at a distance, independant of body language.

So, the next logical step is to reproduce the same experiment, with the altered variable of my connection to the subject - from two people that I am deeply connected to, to someone that I have virtually no connection to. The information in the first instance could easily have been supplemented by my own unconscious observation and understanding of the nature of my companions, so that the success of the technique is suspect. However, the template does offer the necessary conditions to have an astral, magickal, experience.

I feel it's important, in any form of magickal innovation especially, but all magick as a rule, to approach everything in a logical, thorough matter, in order to seperate one phenomenon from another intellectually. It is the only way we are able to be sure of the nature of what we're doing, and grasping that nature is the only way to determine wether a practice is positive or negative, wether the good that it does is really good or not, and what consequences it entails - for all magick, good or ill, comes with consequences, the reactions which we must be prepared to face and accept, and learn from.

That is the end towards which I pursue these experiments, and all other magickal experiments as well. Without audacity, without tempting the edges of 'black and white' we can't advance the applications and purposes of magickal practice. It has spiritual applications, applications for self-growth, etc... but those are internally directed, and deal with the self. Certainly Self is the first responsibility to the individual, but as a society in which the occult is quickly gaining ground, it seems to me that a wider understanding of how magickal practice can help us to benefit one another, help to connect and unify people, is in order. I'm not claiming that this experiment is going to do that, but I do see it as exploration in that mindset, with those objectives at it's heart. If the data collected is directed towards that purpose, then we all benefit.

peace

So, the next logical step is to reproduce the same experiment, with the altered variable of my connection to the subject - from two people that I am deeply connected to, to someone that I have virtually no connection to.

May I be that someone?

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I was wondering if anyone had ever tried to evoke a living person wile useing their signature as the sigil. Just out of curiosity and for the sake of theory could this even be done? Perhaps you would evoke their higher self , or their astral body.

Me and some friends tried this, after I had read your post.

Here's what went down.

I have two friends involved, we did four evocations - one for each of them both awake and asleep.

I used a non-denominational method, a bowl with the preferred incense and herbs for smoke, a black mirror, two candles, and a picture with a signature from both parties. I created a standard altar/circle arrangement, the circle just a black circle drawn on a large square of cotton fabric.

I wrote a conjuration specific to living beings, aiming at calling forth the Intelligent pricipal of an individual.

I performed the first part of the evocation in the physical world, and the second part in the astral.

LBRP, MidPil, QC - Invocation

"Spirit within, Remember,
Who connecteth all and maketh hearts to unite, Remember!
Let the veil between the Dreamer and the Dream be parted
Let the spirits of the dream carry forth my voice into the world between
To the ear of him/she who I call forth, *Name*
Let that spirit which only he/she hath known come forth
Let that voice which only he/she hath heard be called,
Spirit of *name*, Remember!
By the Blood of Man, I call thee!
By the Blood of the Gods, I call thee!
By the ties that bind us, I call thee!
The veil is opened unto thee,
Come forth!"

There are references in the invocation to aspects of my own paradigm of the mechanics of consciousness and the connections between individuals an the Cosmic Mind. The 'spirit within' is your own spirit, which exists on the astral, and the call to remember is simply a device to arouse the 'attention' of the inner self. "Who connecteth all and maketh hearts to unite" is the superconscious principle, the 'higher self' of the 'higher self'. The veil between dreamer and dream is the illusion of perception - this line establishes connection between the Conscious mind and the Inter-consciousness which creates the dream we all share. So far the invocation appeals to the astral principles that connect people. The spirit of the dream is the spirit of humanity, essentially. The next line is obvious... The spirit and voice which only (subject) hath known, is a call to the innermost spirit of that person, the subconscious mind, in retrospect. The call to remember is, again, arousing the spirit of the person in question... THe blood of man is a reference to the mutual connection of the flesh, and the Blood of the Gods is a reference to the mutual spiritual connection, and the ties that bind is a reference to the various personal connections - in this case there were plenty. The last is the invitation proper.

As with an invocation of power, there is an astral, emotional, and semantic component. As per tradition, the former two are deeply personal, but the astral language should be obvious to anyone experienced enough to have an astral vocabulary in this field.

I chanted the invocation multiple times on each occaision. When the first hint of 'presence' developed, I shifted my work to my Astral temple.

One of my friends is a girl. When she was asleep, the spirit that appeared was fluid, and did not retain one shape for very long. It began as a swarm of butterflies, and progressed through a number of relatively interesting animals, most of whom appeared very frightened. They communicated similarly to other purely astral entities, through echos of thoughts and symbolic images, but with a great deal of coherency. Communication was erratic, though. I asked simple questions largely concerning her feelings about her career, her spiritual growth, and her health - matters I know she would not mind me delving into. Answers were abstract and largely self-depricating.

When she was awake, the spirit that appeared was more like her, humanoid, but her features were twisted a bit, and she constantly seemed to be preoccupied with self-judgement - she would frequently stray from the topic at hand, and I was unable to direct her towards answering my questions specifically.

My other friend is a young man. When he was asleep, the entity that appeared was very light and airy, but very intense. he had moments of similarity in appearance to my friend, but shifted into various animals seemingly symbolic of his reaction to whatever I had said. I asked the same kinds of questions as with my other friend, but the answers I got were very speculative sounding, and not direct. There seemed to be a kind of avoidance. Normally in this situation I would bind a spirit and force a direct answer, but being as these were potentially the spirits of my friends, I kept our exchange completely casual.

While he was awake, the spirit I encountered was humanoid, but made of fire and wind - his shape changed erratically into geometric echoes and back to the initial form. His energy was enlivening, but the answers he gave were very abstract and largely circular; every question got the same basic answer.

I talked with my friends about the experiment, and it sparked a lot of conversation about how they feel about themselves, how they process information, and all in all I would say it was a successful experiment. I believe that the nature of the spirit called is subconcious (as opposed to consicous or unconscious). Neither of them remembered the dreams they had while asleep that night, nor experienced anything particularly paranormal during the day on the second set of evocations. Both agreed, though, that the answers related were accurate, although it is worth noting that determining that took a lot of 'soul searching'.

I think there is a great potential for this practice, between consenting individuals, towards all sorts of things. I think it might also be abused easily, however. I have not tried evoking the presence of the spirit of someone I do not know, or who would be unwilling to come forth. I do suspect, though, that someone unwilling to be called would more than likely simply not answer questions. When put to the 'fire' so to speak, I don't know what sort of repercussions could arise - perhaps paranoia, defensiveness, and depression on the part of the conjured.

Careful brothers and sisters, a spirit is a terrible thing to waste.

peace

Vagrant Dreamer thanks for doing the experiment, I think it's something that all magichians can benifit from particularly when working in small groups.