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“Sorcery has no bounds or limits, except those that are put in place by the practitioner. It is the Study of Raw Power and often of Dark Energies. It stems from an Inherent need to delve into the deepest and darkest parts of One’s Self and although it may be dangerous and painful to Realise your Primal fears and desires it is well worth the effort”.

I was somewhat disappointed but not surprised to see so little interest in this category. I know that information is hard to find but so is anything that is worth the effort.

Although this is not the Path for everybody I hope that at least some of you are interested.

I am therefore inserting a basic description.

EDIT - text reduced to normal size. Mediocracy 01/04/2005

Sorcery is the need to study the deepest and darkest parts of ones self. Through understanding their primal desires, obscure passions, and emotionality the practitioner than draws on his or her own Raw Power. Most Sorcerers adopt an aggressive stance in their magical works. They tend to ignore whether or not they use their power for “good” or “evil, and often dismiss such concepts from their lives altogether.

Sorcery cares not what it changes.... it simply changes

Central to sorcery are Balance and Polarity within ones self, this can then be transferred to the world around us. The sorcerer is an expert at bending things to their own will. The most common way of achieving this is by using Twilight – this is a realm of the mind which is characterized by its extreme distortive properties, roiling energies, and occurrences bizarre enough to shock even the calmest, most accepting individuals. The practitioner can make changes in this shadow world that will then manifest themselves in the everyday world.

The unique art known as Sorcery is one which knows no bounds and has no limits, except those which are allowed by the user.

Another aspect of Sorcery is Glamour. This grants its wielder immense powers of persuasion. Ultimately it changes the way People Perceive the Person that is using it. It can Instill fear and create harmony. Oh and if you wish to temporarily change your appearance it can be useful to.

Hope this was some Help

This post has been edited by mediocracy: Apr 1 2005, 09:18 AM

We actually - actually, it was me who almost about to delete this forum as when I try to redefine the forums, have little clue of what sorcery was until I do a lil research. It is still iffy though, and this forum is a learning and sharing place.

So I guess we'd like to see someone with knowledge of sorcery start sharing and teaching their knowledge to the rest of us clueless here. Preaching is much allowed and encouraged here (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Not all may like it, but information flow a lot much better than wishy washy post where we're supposed to decipher their meanings. For a non native English speaker like me, that's a damn hard work. Remember, to learn and to share. Not to judge. So in all honesty, preach away what you think we can learn from you. Start tutorials, articles or simply post your thoughts on the subject.

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Sorcery in Its Simplest Form.

Us Sorcerers are thought to be a Rather Secretive Lot.
We are however not as secretive as some may think, according to ancient custom we are forbidden to force anybody into taking up the Study of Sorcery and therefore the way we portray are views are sometimes not understood. A lot of sorcerers still believe that “information can only be relayed to the Inquisitive”, in other words we are not allowed to give out information unless we are asked by a “worthy candidate”. I and a few others have however decided that this is complete nonsense and that information should be available to anybody at any time.

If I am to be totally honest I had no Idea what Sorcery was myself until somebody actually approached me and asked if I was Interested. What I found was that I was already skilled in some forms of sorcery before I even knew what it was.

Because Sorcery encompasses so many form is very hard to define it. Most People define It its two most difficult disciplines namely Twilight and Glamour but there is so much more to it if you are willing to look. If I were to use my own words I would describe it as my own personal power manifesting within myself. There are no rules or regulations concerning how I use this power and therefore I can do anything I like with it.

Finally I am sorry if I seemed rude in the earlier Post it is just frustrating to see how few people have access to this information when some of us are working really hard to make it available, so if anybody has any questions I will answer them.

P.S.) I will also try speaking more plainly

[i]“Sorcery has no bounds or limits"

Quoting: “Sorcery has no bounds or limits, except those that are put in place by the practitioner."


I believe the only limits are those of lack of evolution of the Being... as in, when I stumbled into levels of thought that were too dangerous, and potentially fatal for me to process... realizing how seriously unevolved I am, I cried...



"It is the Study of Raw Power and often of Dark Energies."


It's All the energies... In sourcery there are no black, nor white... it's all a soft gray soup, or fog, or absolute nothingness, awaiting new life...



"It stems from an Inherent need to delve into the deepest and darkest parts of One’s Self and although it may be dangerous and painful to Realise your Primal fears and desires it is well worth the effort."


Exactly! And that's why there is so little interest in it... People can't confront fear... They tend to avoid fear, so they tend to avoid their personal development in realizing these raw energies... And they simply reject these energies as not existent, because of their impenetrable religion based fears...



"I was somewhat disappointed but not surprised to see so little interest in this category. I know that information is hard to find but so is anything that is worth the effort."


The information is all written in DNA's video memory, and is protected and restricted from the apes, who would only use it to harm Life and themselves right off... You can't be placing live handgrenades in the hands of bratty babies... like that monkey einstein did with his nuclear stuff...



"Although this is not the Path for everybody I hope that at least some of you are interested."


It's my whole Life...



"Sorcery is the need to study the deepest and darkest parts of ones self. Through understanding their primal desires, obscure passions, and emotionality the practitioner than draws on his or her own Raw Power. Most Sorcerers adopt an aggressive stance in their magical works. They tend to ignore whether or not they use their power for “good” or “evil, and often dismiss such concepts from their lives altogether."


Absolutely correct! I couldn't have put it half as good...



"Sorcery cares not what it changes.... it simply changes"


And cares about dignity, respect, peace, and life...



"Central to sorcery are Balance and Polarity within ones self, this can then be transferred to the world around us. The sorcerer is an expert at bending things to their own will. The most common way of achieving this is by using Twilight – this is a realm of the mind which is characterized by its extreme distortive properties, roiling energies, and occurrences bizarre enough to shock even the calmest, most accepting individuals. The practitioner can make changes in this shadow world that will then manifest themselves in the everyday world."


And that's only scratching the surface...



"Another aspect of Sorcery is Glamour. This grants its wielder immense powers of persuasion. Ultimately it changes the way People Perceive the Person that is using it. It can Instill fear and create harmony. Oh and if you wish to temporarily change your appearance it can be useful to."


If there's "glamour" in it, I haven't found any... All I've found is fear of it... and hate for it...
"In changing ones appearance", no kidding!... I can frighten the shid out of a visitor by changing into a 400 pound black panther, stalking her across the livingroom floor... The first one I did that to, was sitting on the back of the couch, trying to push her back through the wall, calling my name, yelling at the panther to FO... till it placed a gentle huge paw on her knee, then she was silent as a butterfly... She froze when the panther gently bit her neck, just one unit into pain, and growled the same growl the big cat does when it has the gazzelle's throat in its jaws... meaning "Be silent and calm! and death willl come less painfull"... Then the panther clumsily licked her ear and neck, then purred, and she melted... Thank goodness she didn't piss on my new couch!...
It's a powerful "break the ice tool", after which, she is just warm putty in the hands of the master... It healed her accident caused disability...

I didn't see her for three weeks... She phoned to tell me that she had seen the latest CatPeople movie a week before... and called me a few meanungful nasty names... and In three weeks she was back for more cosmic fun...

Me thinks you and me are gonna have some fun with this sourcery topic... if we can play nice, without trying to turn each other into hot smoldering dust clouds, and flaming puddles...

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This post has been edited by cosmicbrat: Mar 28 2005, 03:00 PM

This is interesting - it coincides really well with psi-vampirism. Must learn more!

This is interesting - it coincides really well with psi-vampirism.  Must learn more!

How does it have anything to do with "vampirism"? Elaborate...

I met vampires... One nasty little sucker bit me, and drew blood... I killed it, the three of the four required times... America did the forth... But is it really dead...???

This post has been edited by cosmicbrat: Mar 28 2005, 03:01 PM

I wrote a little beginner's thing on them over at the Neophyte hall.
And psi-vampirism, not vampirism. The two are different.

I wrote a little beginner's thing on them over at the Neophyte hall.
And psi-vampirism, not vampirism.  The two are different.

I must have had a slight memory blockage for a moment... Oops!


Do you want to talk Real Sorcery...? Let's see if you can handle a tiny bit of basic kitchen sorcery, without freaking out...


So vampires are the bloodsuckers....
and psi-vampires suck on their victim's cosmic and mental energies...

We have a definite psi-vampire in this town... I feel a nauseated sense whenever she's near me... and she makes sure she follows me around the mall when ever we're both in the mall... Whenever I turn around, she's there...
I wonder what I'm not seeing that is happening in the cosmic when I'm feeling that nausea because of her close proximity presence...?
I bet I can't see it, because I probably couldn't handle it...

In the case of the blood sucking species of vampire, the one that bit me, came from a medallion...
An ex-lady friend phoned me collect from India, from Baghwan's ashram, where she had stayed about a year... She asked for a loan... Thieves had robbed all her possessions from the little shack she was renting... She wanted to return to Canada ASAP, so I sent her the funds...
I picked her up at the Calgary airport, and gave her a place to stay, till she found a job and her own place... The first night she slept on the couch... I really didn't want her near me, fearing what she might have brought back in and on her skin... Next night I let her sleep far on one side of my kingsize bed...
She was deep in sleep, way over there, and I was writing in bed as usual, way over here... when I felt her passionately kissing and/or sucking at my left side near my kidney... I set down the pen, and paper off the bed, and turned, to see that she was still fast asleep way over there, and her medallion was stuck to my skin, and rocking, and suckling like a baby nurses... Bells and Sirens!! Holy GD Poop!! and Thht!
and Yikes!... I Slapped at it... I remained stuck to me... I smacked it Real Hard!... I remained stuck to me... I aimed my fingertips as claws, and Slammed it real Hard, and it dislodged... It fell to the sheet... wriggling like a newly hatched baby bird, and moving closer to me by wriggling...
I flipped it over, and the 3D vampire face in the medallion suddenly nipped at my finger lightning quick! I felt its fangs brush my across fingertip... I watched it, as the vampire face changed to the black and white pix in the medallion... I examined the string that had held it to her neck...
It had been untied...
I carried the little beast by the string, off the bed, and locked in a sealer jar, out of the bedroom...
I should have set it on the stove, and hit it with the torch... I should have dropped in a clove of fresh garlic in its jar...
I tried to wake her, but she seemed locked in deep trance... impossible to wake... even with a loud yell and hard slap... I examined where it had been stuck to my skin... There were a couple of red scrape skid marks where my fingers dug in to dislodge it... and there were two tiny red pinholes, the same distance apart as the mouth in the pix was wide... I gently squeezed the pinholes, and they bled readily... I got a long cold rush...
I retrieved the medallion, and pushed my cosmic hand into its reality, and grabbed something, and pulled out a 15-inch figure, like a gray doughboy doll, with no features... It squirmed, in trying to get back into the medallion... I employed my two cosmic hands, and easily ripped it in two pieces, and dropped it into the cosmic cauldron full of powerful acid... then flung the medallion out of the bedroom... and reached into my visitor, and pulled out a 30-inch figure, darker gray, and with basic features... It took a lot of fighting to eventually rip it into pieces... it too went into the acid bath... I reached into my Being, and found no invaders... Suddenly I sensed something heading toward me, I dove into instant deep trance, and saw a bright dot approaching me from the east, at an extremely fast velocity... In seconds I saw a horrid evil face, mouth open squarely, showing all pointy teeth, and its hands raised in attack posture, sporting ten extremely sharp claws, screaming and growling fierce as fierce can be, coming at me at about two-hundred miles per hour... I yelled, "Dragon Kill!", and dragon came in from the left, blowing a sudden blast of flame directly at the beast, seconds before it would have made contact... When the flame cleared, the beast was gone... Everything felt OK...

I wrote the American CIA and FBI, suggesting they examine Baghwan's medallions for that vampire entity and this scenario... A couple months later Baghwan was deceased...

I just hope the little bugger didn't leave any germs in/on my skin... Probably not... It was sucking very aggressive... My cosmic scans, by me and by other powerful sorcerers and healers would have detected anything not me...
I wonder how much blood the little bugger ate in those few seconds that it was stuck to my skin...? Now that's real DARK Sorcery... Good thing I had a bit of a grasp of sorcery myself...
and how I attacked it so calmly... Made myself proud that I didn't freak...

I understand that Baghwan character had thousands of followers wearing his little pix medallions... It must have been a GD bloody vampire's feeding network... I wonder if the network is still active, as in whose pix is in the medallion these days...?
and, How the heck would it transfer the stolen energies back to the chief honcho vampire...?
and, What energies did it consume...?
and How did it process those energies...?
and How cosmically large is that evil entity...?
and How many vampires feed upon and benefit from that stolen energy flow...? and how?
and How big is that flow...?
and How much is that flow harming the human race, and all Life...?
and How did it/they come to be on this planet...?
and Is it standing behind you this very second... sucking on your neck... ?


So many GD questions... and so few answers... HotDam! That was a weird goofy experience!... NEXT!

After I dealt with those beasts, I fell asleep in ten minutes, with my 140 dragons, and my various other cosmic pets and friends, and my friends the suns and planets, all watching over me...
all primed any ready for any further attacks...

I would appreciate any attempts at answering my questions... silly or not...
We could help each other by answering each other's unsolved questions, and grow from it...
That's what Sorcery is all about: Love of Life, Nurturing Life, Guiding Life, Dignity, Honesty, Purity, Evolution, Immortality, and silent Power....

This is why there is so little interest in soucery... People can't handle any of it... It's just not part of their equation... Fear dominates their equation... Most would just hurt themselves with it...
Without it, there is no realizing an afterlife. Bloody Amen!
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This post has been edited by cosmicbrat: Mar 29 2005, 12:01 AM

We have a definite psi-vampire in this town... I feel a nauseated sense whenever she's near me... and she makes sure she follows me around the mall when ever we're both in the mall... Whenever I turn around, she's there...

Idiot psi-vampires tend to do that. It's less safe (because you could always retaliate in some funny way [speaking of which I might talk to my friend about a special anti-psi-vampire cage spell he made if you really need help]), but gets better energy.

Vampiric medallion? That's kitchen sorcery? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
I've handled worse - without the cosmic pets to help too.

Alrighty - give me a starting point to work from.

ROLE PLAYING WILL NOT BE ALLOWED!!! There is a difference between magick and shooting a hand out and knocking a car 360 degrees around. My old mentor use to say "There are no limits to magick but our own." He also said that RolePlaying will bring down a forum quicker than anything else. Let this serve as a warning. If yu want to discuss magick than yu are most certainly welcome here...but if it is your intention to make up fanatic stories and claim to be the high exalted mage from netherland...go here

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lol... I used "handled" broadly.
So far my problems have been apparations (which occur in plenty), rogue entities (of which I've had to deal with two, and still have scars from the second one) and I was connected to an incident involving a self-animate noose (which was destroyed).

Ash's psi-vampire cage, I'm not specific on the exact mechanics of casting, but what it does is cause a psi-vampire to be unable to feed. Very nasty to the psi-vampire - because they can see and feel the energies around them, but it feels as though they're turned away from them and unreachable.

I'll see if I can prod him for a little explanation of how it works.

lol... I used "handled" broadly.
So far my problems have been apparations (which occur in plenty), rogue entities (of which I've had to deal with two, and still have scars from the second one) and I was connected to an incident involving a self-animate noose (which was destroyed).

Ash's psi-vampire cage, I'm not specific on the exact mechanics of casting, but what it does is cause a psi-vampire to be unable to feed. Very nasty to the psi-vampire - because they can see and feel the energies around them, but it feels as though they're turned away from them and unreachable.

I'll see if I can prod him for a little explanation of how it works.

Are those cosmic entities really a "problem" for you?...

Two of us, playing in bed, met a cutie cosmic critter, after we sat on the edge of the bed, sending love, to a sketch of a nude I drew and posted on the wall... We sent energy to it, for it, of it, from it, and all those it its... for 45 minutes, then lay back on the bed with two horrid excruciating headaches...

There was a sudden burst flash of lilac light, then we noticed movement on the far corner of the bed... The figure in the sketch had come out of the sketch, and was sitting still on the corner of the bed... It turned its head to look at us... I didn't know what to say or do... I said, "join us in our love." It vanished from view...

We lay back, nursing our headaches... As the aches cleared, the lady jumped a bit, "Something Is Touching My Leg!"
I looked... "Nothing there"...

She jumped again... "Now it's touching my hip!"
I looked... to see a cutie purply furry little bugger, about three feet tall... gently caressing her hip... I pointed to it, "You be Gentle!"... and I leaned in, and kissed the left side of the lady's face... with my eyes closed.. an oops...
She was getting a little squirmy, and bit my lip, and whispered through her teeth, without moving anything, "IT'S KISSING MY OTHER CHEEK! GET IT OFF ME!" I opened my eyes to see the little bugger copying me... I sent it away...

We fell asleep for a while, and I was partly awaken by a real nasty nightmare, and fully awaken by something caressing my right face very hard and crudely... as if it were trying to bring me out of the nightmare, as a friend would... I opened my eyes to see huge one inch wide claws passing before my eye, the backs of the claws stroking my face... I looked to be a 30 foot critter, most of it beyond the ceiling, as if to it, there was no physical ceiling... I bumped the lady's hip hard, with my knee, and she sat up, and looked up, placed her hands on my leg, and softly said "Wowwww!" her eyes bulged, her chin dropped...
I relaxed back into its caress, and started drifting back into sleep... Was when the critter started making loud high pitched variable whining sounds, like sounds made in an in-breath, like it were some kind of ancient language...
I whispered, "What's it saying?"... She says. "I don't know that language"...
"What is it? Can you see it well? I can't."
"It looks like a dragon... What are you gonna do?"
"Umm.. go with the flow of the moment is a good plan.. so we did..

Point is: Maybe those critters are attracted to an specific energy you emit...
Maybe they are you friendly... Maybe they are there at your request...
Maybe they need you to command them to do something for you...

My cosmic critters and pets do many tasks for me.. pretty much everything I ask... It's as if they live to please me... And I occasionally candy treat them with tastes of my warm breath and my warm blood... The dragons are conditioned to favor inhaling my living breath... The junction predators are conditioned to favor my warm blood... The only thing they won't do, is lick and sip slowly, even when commanded to do so... They are mindless, in that they don't have any imagination... They live to devour... like cosmic sharks...
I bet just one of them brought to earth could stop a war in a couple minutes...
They are in the hundreds now... Got any ideas how to give hundreds a taste of blood, in just a couple seconds, without angering them? They like their bums rubbed... They freak if I touch behind their ears, that's where their venom sacs are... to touch there releases venom, and I think it gives them extreme anger headaches... My little cosmic army... yearning for the moment when I jettison this body, and join them...

Got any ideas how to touch one of those cosmic critters, when they've entered into this physical realm? Every time I try to touch one, it growls and nips... I can't figure it... Maybe they don't trust the human body, or maybe we stink or something... Likely it's a pheromones thing...

That was thirty years ago... and I still can't figure how to touch them, without getting bit...

I wish I had a mentor... so I wouldn't have to dive in head first into so many serious and fatal mistakes... Is there a mentor clearing house somewhere out there in hell on earth?

Are those cosmic entities really a "problem" for you?...

The apparitions are - but they tend to be deterring me from some sort of study I'm doing, so I know I'm on the right track when they show up.

Point is: Maybe those critters are attracted to an specific energy you emit...

Dear God I hope not.

Maybe they are you friendly... Maybe they are there at your request...
Maybe they need you to command them to do something for you...

No, they seem quite intent on scaring the bejeezus out of me.
Generally, the apparitions tend to jump out of nowhere, and disappear relatively quickly.

Are those cosmic entities really a "problem" for you?...

The apparitions are - but they tend to be deterring me from some sort of study I'm doing, so I know I'm on the right track when they show up.

Point is: Maybe those critters are attracted to an specific energy you emit...

Dear God I hope not.

Maybe they are you friendly... Maybe they are there at your request...
Maybe they need you to command them to do something for you...

No, they seem quite intent on scaring the bejeezus out of me.
Generally, the apparitions tend to jump out of nowhere, and disappear relatively quickly.

One thing for sure.. They are very Curious...
Next one that happens... cup your hands like you are holding somethintg secret and valuable...
Exadurate your facial features to illustrate great excitement over what you hold in your hand...
DO NOT offer it to them!... for when they find that it is nothing you offer, you will be in Deepest shid... Illusion manifest it to be a red diamond that you hold... Invite the cosmic critter to come and see it... and expect them to make it realer... They might... Wouldn't you be surprized...
Treat the cosmic critter like you treat a curous freindly little puppy...
Remember ALL mindforms and cosmic critters have the mind of a cute little mindless puppy, in combination with that of a TRex... There's the base you asked for, Dear One...


Your fears of the unknon is religious conditioned... Toss it out, like blowing a huge fart...
Once gone, you cannot catch the fart, and cannot restuff it back in for another blow... unless you are ****** ** ******...

Ilmatar's definition, while understandably limited, feels like home for me. It actually describes my paradigm quite well.

I haven't experienced anything near as vivid as what Cosmicbrat describes though. Perhaps that's a good thing.

One thing for sure.. They are very Curious...
Next one that happens... cup your hands like you are holding somethintg secret and valuable...
Exadurate your facial features to illustrate great excitement over what you hold in your hand...
DO NOT offer it to them!... for when they find that it is nothing you offer, you will be in Deepest shid... Illusion manifest it to be a red diamond that you hold... Invite the cosmic critter to come and see it... and expect them to make it realer... They might... Wouldn't you be surprized...
Treat the cosmic critter like you treat a curous freindly little puppy...
Remember ALL mindforms and cosmic critters have the mind of a cute little mindless puppy, in combination with that of a TRex... There's the base you asked for, Dear One...

That's a technique you use for any tame animal - I know that one well.

The problem is that these ones aren't even there for a whole second. They literally just jump out then disappear. Nor do they appear to be tame, or want to be tamed.

Your fears of the unknon is religious conditioned...

lol - if I were Catholic, maybe. I'm not - actually, I don't fear very much at all, it's just that these are very surprising.
Massive spider-like things jumping out of solid objects and then disappearing before they can hit you tends to be unnerving. Dead bodies that aren't actually there, hanging from trees, also tends to be unnerving - but that's a different thing altogether. Seeing someone thrown screaming from a bunk bed, tends to be somewhat unnerving (although a lot less unnerving than the spiders, and again something different).

Just being in this world, teevee, people, books, products... it all carries the goop of religious conditioning... and some of it sticks to you, like cow poop does, when you step in one in a field...

It may be that what you are seeing as nasty critters, is what you are reading into their power levels, and unknown energies... Next time, force it to be a ball of fluff... and force it to bow to you... and head to your command... A great Being as yourself should not fear anything...

If you haven't experienced as vivid as I, you are missing the greatest game in Life your magesty...
It is the very source of Life... thus "Raw Pure Delicious Sorcery"... Like I said, I fell asleep after a few minutes of the dragon stroking my face... I trust the otherside, and it seems to love me... oh sigh!...

lol - I only trust the other side as far as I can kick it - and it being the other side, that's not very far at all.

So is there suppose to be a difference between magick and sorcery? I mean to me they are one and the same but if there is a difference could somebody please explain?

The magics are like you need to get laid, and you must go through wine and dine, and tons of conversaton, and rent the tux, and polish the car, and even vacuum it, and tidy the apartment, and undress her, get through all that frill and silk, and maybe even find out that she's not a she... Yikes!

Sorcery is like you want to get laid, and you turn around, and there's a knock at the door, and there she is standing there totally naked, sporting a huge grin, and arms out, bidding you come share her embrace, and her pure delicious body... When it happened to me, I looked throught the peephole, and literally fell on me bum...

LOL interesting metaphor you have chosen to compare sorcery with other magicks (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) With this metaphor I can see advantages to both methods then. For example with the whole renting the tux, cleaning the limo and actually talking to the person for a whole evening, getting to know who they are and seeing how they work and tick can be quite handy in the long run. As with magick, with the learning, the preperation and the rituals one gets to know the forces contained within magick. The downside, like you seemed to be pointing out is that you really don't need all of the extras to get to the point. Yet the extras could be fun. Some folks say that the foreplay starts from when you first look at each other.
With the naked partner at your door (you must live in a warm climate LOL) that can be quite handy but could perhaps get the newbie into trouble. STDs, jelous boyfriends, and just a better disguise of the she/he thing. Yet results would be acheived much more quickly and without all the added pomp.
Also this shows the difference between the enjoying the journey, or just enjoying the end result argument. I of course enjoy both, so I would rent the limo and the gown one evening, then have a slaveboy summoned to my door the next <g>
Are you saying that sorcery can be done without all of the ritual, practice and training that other systems require? Can a complete newbie do it successfully without the background knowledge (the whole talking to the date all evening) of the system? Are there any dangers in the newbie getting their behind burnt?

Athena
www.nightshademagic.com

LOL interesting metaphor you have chosen to compare sorcery with other magicks (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)  With this metaphor I can see advantages to both methods then. For example with the whole renting the tux, cleaning the limo and actually talking to the person for a whole evening, getting to know who they are and seeing how they work and tick can be quite handy in the long run.  As with magick, with the learning, the preperation and the rituals one gets to know the forces contained within magick.  The downside, like you seemed to be pointing out is that you really don't need all of the extras to get to the point.  Yet the extras could be fun.  Some folks say that the foreplay starts from when you first look at each other.
With the naked partner at your door (you must live in a warm climate LOL) that can be quite handy but could perhaps get the newbie into trouble.  STDs, jelous boyfriends, and just a better disguise of the she/he thing.  Yet results would be acheived much more quickly and without all the added pomp.
Also this shows the difference between the enjoying the journey, or just enjoying the end result argument.  I of course enjoy both, so I would rent the limo and the gown one evening, then have a slaveboy summoned to my door the next <g>
Are you saying that sorcery can be done without all of the ritual, practice and training that other systems require?  Can a complete newbie do it successfully without the background knowledge (the whole talking to the date all evening) of the system?  Are there any dangers in the newbie getting their behind burnt?

Athena
www.nightshademagic.com

With magics, you have stepped along a habitual safe path, and have conditioned to believe this is the way things are done, and can easily determine the next step with your brain and mind off...
You thus forfeit the passion...
On top of the magic path of steps, you now must pay the piper...
Magic is religion. Magic is specialized... like tunnel vision...
Magic is like wearing a smelly diaper on your head...

With Sorcery = Life's ways... You have before you Raw Life... all of it....
The forces are all and everywhere... The forces and fourses and sourses and sorces desperately want to experience any, and as much Life as will embrace them... We are the seed...
The Unknown is full of surprises and wild rides... You have the Universe before you, and Nothing restricting you from this or that... Nothing but your low state of evolution, your lack of abilities, and your fears as anchors...


You infer that magic is foreplay... I illustrated that magic is the unnecessary labors to get to the foreplay... at a great cost... Sorcery is already at the foreplay...
Sorcery dawns a tux from the tux closet... The car is waiting... She has just arrived in her little rose memercedes. and as she strutts toward you she grins with emerald eyes, flashing a bouncy firm tit in the sunlight...

There are no viruses in the Sorcerer's equation... He knows about germs, and health, and life maintenance. and how to equate longevity... There's none of that disease crap here... just pure Life... The sorcerer knows how to live in the great expanse of the otherside...
The sorcerer knows how to live in this pathetic mindless dump...



"Can a complete newbie do it successfully without the background knowledge of the system?...

Are there any dangers in the newbie getting their behind burnt?"...


Um?... Doubt it, unless the newbie is a child of a god, or better....

And... Thousands of fires...




[PS: You know... It's real hard to write love, when that GD green monster is bashing the skull of another green monster... and all those goofy mindless movement in the smilies town...
You must be awake to your surroundings, or you forfeit the afterlife...]

Thank you for that, I enjoyed your explanations (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
I actually tend more taward Sorcery than MagicK myself, however I use both magick and sorcery and see the value in both ways of doing things.
For some reason you seem to think that Sorcery is the only way for EVERYBODY! I have met a lot of people whom work magick very well, and folks who work sorcery very well, and in both cases it is obvious they are on their path.
There is more than one way...

Athena
www.nightshademagic.com

There are many ways to do things... to get to the same result...

Magic adds a hundred little chores, and facets, and steps, to fulfill a task...

Sorcery goes right to the Source... it's done the moment it is requested...

In Sorcery time and distance do not exist... Flash! You are collecting ice cubes on Pluto...
Flash! You are on Earth, dropping deep-blue ice cubes into your drink...

With Sorcery evolved to Corcery you can put footprints all around the Mar's Rovers...

The Magics, Magicks, and Majics, and Majicks... are dated... "Old History"... thhht.

Sorcery is Reality... Magic is a lot of pretend that occasionally gets the same task done...

Magic is Religion... They work way too slow...

IE: The computer sped up our lives... Now I can mail a letter to the otherside of the world, and get a response, in seconds... It used to be, Write a letter, type it, get an envelope and a 50 cent stamp, and waste time and gas to get it to the post office, and wait a couple weeks for a fast response...

It used to be that I had to deal with a library's open hours, and bloody library cards, and disease ridden books, covered in the excrement of the apes who haven't got the first clue about cleanliness and health... Just touch a library book, then wet your finger on your tongue, to flip pages, and should you get poop traces on your finger, suddenly you have either swollen tastebuds, or infected eye, or extreme acne, or vaginitis... depending upon what and where that infected finger touches...
Longevity got a huge boost when the Internet came to life...

Longevity will get a greater boost when Sorcery obsoletes Magic...

Magic is an antique... It works, but it's like using a horse and cart compared to a jet...

Magic is dated, like the waterwheel, and the stone axe.. though there are some who cling the waterwheel and stone axe... for obvious reasons... just as there are those who will cling to fire, long after my plazma engine has obsoleted fire... if I ever get this thing funded and built...
if this Species will ever wake up to what they are...



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This post has been edited by cosmicbrat: Mar 31 2005, 12:45 AM

The most common way of achieving this is by using Twilight – this is a realm of the mind which is characterized by its extreme distortive properties, roiling energies, and occurrences bizarre enough to shock even the calmest, most accepting individuals. The practitioner can make changes in this shadow world that will then manifest themselves in the everyday world.

Another aspect of Sorcery is Glamour. This grants its wielder immense powers of persuasion. Ultimately it changes the way People Perceive the Person that is using it. It can Instill fear and create harmony. Oh and if you wish to temporarily change your appearance it can be useful to.

Okay here's my take on it,

When you got to the part about Twilight and Glamour, this is where I sneeze, "Rip-Off"! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/q11.gif)

There is a philosophy of magic called Direct Magic, a system based on magic without ritual a "point-and-shoot" style of magic that's pragmatic and interesting until you get to the meat of the theory.

The system divides its practices into castes of Enchanters, Summoners, White Mages, Black Mages, Celestial Mages, Satanic Mages, Necromancers, Wizards, and Sorcerors. Sounds RPGish doesn't it? That's where it gets stupid.

Each caste works with a particular type of Magical Energy: Necros work with Death Energy, Black Mages work with Entrophy, Satanic Mages work with the Self (also called the Microcosism v. the Macrocosism) and Sorcerors work with Twilight. Here's the site:

Direct Magic: Sorcery

Here's how I would define a Sorceror: An independent practitioner of magick who relies on his or her own experiences and understanding of how magick works, developing there own style and form of practice. A Chaote is a Sorceror (if you read Hine's and Spare's stuff you'll find they use the term Chaos Mage and Sorceror interchangeably). A Folk Mage is a Sorceror (again, books often use the term interchangeably). Someone who decides to go off the beaten paths of magic to start his own way is most definitely a Sorceror.

That Twilight stuff is crap, do AP if you're into that sort of thing.

Glamour is illusionary magick meant to disguise one's self and influence the minds of others. When you do an invisiblity spell, you're doing Glamour, Love Spells directed at a particular person are Glamour spells (as opposed to Love Spell directed towards a general desire, which is probably Enchantment).

That's my 3 bucks.

This post has been edited by mediocracy: Apr 1 2005, 01:10 PM

I use 'Glamour' not so much to change my physical appearance or to turn invisible, but to help influence people through my words. I am a brilliant story teller, able to mesmerise people purely with my spoken word, and I have been told many times by listeners that during the story, they actually felt like they were 'there'. This is due to the emphasis and projection that I use while speaking, not to mention the intense visualisation of that which I speak.

My personal definition of 'Twilight' is a little different from an Astral type realm. I refer to it as the Shadowlands, for want of a less dramatic name. It is a place I can go travelling in, and it is inhabited by the shades of the dead. Not everyone who dies ends up here - I see it as a kind of halfway house for spirits. Some get stuck there, because they are too weak/scared/angry/confused to move on, and some spirits come back to this place to welcome and guide the newly departed.

I am able to tap into the raw essence of this place to 'power' and charge my workings, which is what drew me from shamanic study to that of Necromancy, as well as communicate with the dead, to some extent. It is not easy though. By the by, I utterly disagree with most of the points made on that site that Marconus linked, regarding the author's views on Necromancy. Necromancy, in its purest form, is divination from and communion with the dead. Only desperate or insane practitioners would revel so much in the use of Death Essence, in my humble opinion. There are ways of peacefully and constructively working with spirits that do not involve sending people blind etc...

By the by, I utterly disagree with most of the points made on that site that Marconus linked, regarding the author's views on Necromancy.

That was my point, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Direct Magic is philosophically bankrupt, it's a bunch of delusions passed off as magick. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) It seems to follow magic theory up to the point were it decides to pigeon hole Magic into types of Energy. Magic is manipulating energy through the direction of Will.
There aren't any types of energy; divisions in practice are simply that, different ways of manipulating the same energy.

What pinches my nerves the most is that they ridicule Chaos Magick, when infact what they're doing is Chaos Magick! It's more Chaos Magick than even the most popular forms of Chaos Magick, because they toss out everything until they're left with the bare bones of Magic Theory. I go to their forums, and the visiting Chaotes make more sense than they do! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/7.gif)

Anyways that's my rant on Direct Magic. To Chalis, power to ya. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wandwizard.gif)

I use 'Glamour' not so much to change my physical appearance or to turn invisible, but to help influence people through my words.

That's what I do. Charms are there to manipulate people's perceptions. Subtlety makes things easier. Turning invisible in any practical form would be REALLY difficult.

That's what I do. Charms are there to manipulate people's perceptions. Subtlety makes things easier. Turning invisible in any practical form would be REALLY difficult.

That really depends on what kind of invisibility you trying to achieve, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Invisibility- The ability to avoid being seen or noticed by observers.

There's a form of invisibility where the subject can be seen by the naked eye, but the mind doesn't register it as being important, and thus unnoticable. This is known as the Tarnhelm Effect.

Imagine going into a room where you know you don't belong there, but everyone else in the room thinks you do. That's an example of the Tarnhelm Effect.

The above example has happened to me on a couple of occassions: One time when I was a kid, I was wondering around the prosthetic limb shop of a children's hospital. I knew I wasn't suppose to be wandering around in there, but no one really noticed me there. I didn't sneak, I didn't scurry around, I simply walked around like I had a reason to be there. So everyone treated me like I belonged there (Even had a couple of head nods like they knew, and they didn't)!

Finally, the Effect wore off and one guy snapped out of it and yelled "Hey, you don't belong here," but by that time I had already seen everything in the room. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blush2.gif)
That was the Tarnhelm Effect in action, at a time I didn't even know what it was. Personally, I find this form of invisibility fairly easy to achieve.

Here's a good site where one Chaote explains the Tarnhelm Effect in more depths:

A Chaote's description of the Tarnhelm Effect

This post has been edited by mediocracy: Apr 2 2005, 01:42 AM

I'm seeing talk of "invisibility"... but nothing solid on it...

If you wish to explore Real invisibility, get yourself relaxed...
Pull back on left and right brain till center brain clicks in...
and hold it there, on autonomic...
Send a check scan through the whole brain, designed to light up the major glands...
Address each of the three majors, and draw a thread from each...
Join the three threads at a conjunction, and slowly pull the focal point down your brainstem, and into your neck...
[Note: eyes must be open throughout the experiment]
Witnesses will see your eyes flashing tiny bright white triangles, like a turning kalidescope, moments before you go invisible, and will see you as transparent outline that they can see right through... Your body will look like it's made of thick air...
Maybe it is sililar to the comparison of regular water to heavy water... Regular air to thick air, or heavy air...?
I wonder if a camera will see you as invisible...?
Have a pardy...
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This post has been edited by cosmicbrat: Apr 2 2005, 01:01 PM