Can Someone Help Me? Options

Hi,

2 weeks ago i did something very stupid; i met and our 3 date i gave her a book as present however i used previously this book as talisman to make her fall in love with me.

I did follow the right ptocedure (Friday was the day) and i included certain sigils (related to netzach) now i changed my mind but it seems that has worked since then she has been more attached to me; what can i do to destroy the effect of the talisman.

Frater Dom

make another ceremonial,that by distroying the talismans you wish that the magic influence stop....
you have to use your imagination....
I do not advice you to use saturnian energies for breaking up...so your operation should remain in the sfere of venus....

You have to destroy the talisman that you gave her. Although any effects that have happened in the mean time are done and you will have to deal with the karma of your actions if any.

You have to destroy the talisman that you gave her. Although any effects that have happened in the mean time are done and you will have to deal with the karma of your actions if any.

thanks very much for your advice (by posts and by pm)!! ; the problem is that i can ask for the book back is a present; can i do a ritual which discharge the talisman astrally?

Frater DOM

Ps

from one side i am glad that my magick works; from the other side i feel guilty about having done this stupidity which i would not repeat again
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LOL! Fantastic! Let this be a lesson in the evils of love magick! Not to laugh at your situation by any means, but this is truely a great lesson learned. You are correct, by societial standards, it is not proper that you ask for the gifts return. So you will have to steal it. Go over there, hang out, and try to sneak it out as you leave. You may have to engage in, well, amorous acts, to achieve this deception. After you've gotten the book back to your house, bind it. I fear burning it may release the energy into the Universe (along with your will) and hammer the poor girl. I would bind it, and throw it in a deep, deep body of water, or seal it in the earth forever. Then, simply never mention it's existance. If she tells you she's lost it, play dumb.


Good luck.


Makavelli

LOL! Fantastic! Let this be a lesson in the evils of love magick! Not to laugh at your situation by any means, but this is truely a great lesson learned. You are correct, by societial standards, it is not proper that you ask for the gifts return. So you will have to steal it. Go over there, hang out, and try to sneak it out as you leave. You may have to engage in, well, amorous acts, to achieve this deception. After you've gotten the book back to your house, bind it. I fear burning it may release the energy into the Universe (along with your will) and hammer the poor girl. I would bind it, and throw it in a deep, deep body of water, or seal it in the earth forever. Then, simply never mention it's existance. If she tells you she's lost it, play dumb.


Good luck.


Makavelli

..uh..I don't think it's wise to advise people to break the law...specially if he gets caught, her parents (or herself) may end up calling the cops.

His profile says he's 36 years old. If he is fooling around with a girl that still lives at home, he has more to worry about than mere "theft".


Besides, it isn't really theft. It was his, he gave it to her. He is simply taking it back, but not telling her. To each their own, I guess.

LOL! Fantastic! Let this be a lesson in the evils of love magick! Not to laugh at your situation by any means, but this is truely a great lesson learned. You are correct, by societial standards, it is not proper that you ask for the gifts return. So you will have to steal it. Go over there, hang out, and try to sneak it out as you leave. You may have to engage in, well, amorous acts, to achieve this deception. After you've gotten the book back to your house, bind it. I fear burning it may release the energy into the Universe (along with your will) and hammer the poor girl. I would bind it, and throw it in a deep, deep body of water, or seal it in the earth forever. Then, simply never mention it's existance. If she tells you she's lost it, play dumb.

So your advice is for him to give her a wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am, rifle through her belongings and get while the going is good - like a coward? You paint yourself in a wonderful light.

To the original poster: I believe Nero summed it up the best. I wouldn't expect a sensitive situation like this to be settled swiftly, so if you stay patient you'll be fine.
One piece of advice I have, is that when screw ups happen, I tell myself that something good will come of it, and more often than not, it does. Keep you chin up.

LOL! I thought about whether or not I should even say anything about this topic, because, why? NERO answered it wonderfully, and there really isn't anything more to add to it, but I'm not responding to the topic proper, but to a certain part of it....

While I don't advocate what Makaveli suggests as a course of action to get the book back, I am...perturbed by the moralistic resposes to his suggestion. It's important as magicians to recognise that we have a responsibilty first and foremost to ourselves, and then to others. If we can't help ourselves, how can we help others? If he allows the situation to stay as it is, he risk his own wellbeing, as well as the wellbeing of another. If he doesn't nip this situation in the bud by any means neccessary, the consequences will be felt for the rest of his life, and hers (in the form of memories, emotions, emotional blocks, karma [for those who believe in that], all sorts of energy traveling along the magical link between him and her, and more to the point, her and him.....I, personally, would be out of my mind not to rectify the situation regardless of, anything. Period. Especially if he cannot percieve and sever the magical link.

Again, I'm not suggesting the course of action Makaveli set forth. I AM suggesting that whatever the matter, we cannot judge certain actions in light of the facts. Imposing our limits on the matter is a mistake, with possibly greater consequnces for ourselves than the act in question.

I guess what I'm really getting at is that the only one we as magicians are beholden to is ourselves. To pass certain judgements, especially in light of the situation is...interesting.

-F.F. (P.S. This is not a defense of Makaveli as a person, for those inclined to think in...interesting ways. I do not know him.)

I guess the thread is going a bit mad..........first of all she does not live with the parents?? she is 33 anyway.......I cannot ask the book back what i will do instead is to follow the advice of RS and try to explain the situation to my proctor at the GD and see if i can use soem techniques without the book.

As said before i am very sad for this because i guess i did not think all the consequences; however if i did it i can also undo it!

This post has been edited by Frater DOM: Aug 11 2006, 04:19 AM

Mad indeed, lol! In anycase, I wish you well, and that the situation has a favorable outcome.

-F.F.

LOL! I thought about whether or not I should even say anything about this topic, because, why? NERO answered it wonderfully, and there really isn't anything more to add to it, but I'm not responding to the topic proper, but to a certain part of it....

While I don't advocate what Makaveli suggests as a course of action to get the book back, I am...perturbed by the moralistic resposes to his suggestion. It's important as magicians to recognise that we have a responsibilty first and foremost to ourselves, and then to others. If we can't help ourselves, how can we help others? If he allows the situation to stay as it is, he risk his own wellbeing, as well as the wellbeing of another. If he doesn't nip this situation in the bud by any means neccessary, the consequences will be felt for the rest of his life, and hers (in the form of memories, emotions, emotional blocks, karma [for those who believe in that], all sorts of energy traveling along the magical link between him and her, and more to the point, her and him.....I, personally, would be out of my mind not to rectify the situation regardless of, anything. Period. Especially if he cannot percieve and sever the magical link.

Again, I'm not suggesting the course of action Makaveli set forth. I AM suggesting that whatever the matter, we cannot judge certain actions in light of the facts. Imposing our limits on the matter is a mistake, with possibly greater consequnces for ourselves than the act in question.

I guess what I'm really getting at is that the only one we as magicians are beholden to is ourselves. To pass certain judgements, especially in light of the situation is...interesting.

-F.F. (P.S. This is not a defense of Makaveli as a person, for those inclined to think in...interesting ways. I do not know him.)

Although I realize that you are not coming to my defense, I nonetheless thank you for your point of view. I originally read many, many posts here before poking my head in. I assumed this place to be comfortable with points of view that were light, dark or gray. I merely gave the advice that I would utilize myself. I was only attempting to help. I would ask that some posters here keep in mind that "morality" is subjective. To steal from a pregnate mother would be wrong, but to steal a harmful book back and banish it, at least IMO, the ends would justify the means. His actions would be serving the greater good. And honestly, if he sleeps with her and never calls, she'll stop loving him. I realize that it is pointless now, he has made up his mind as to his course of action (people always do what they're going to do anyway). If I offended any of you, then you have my apologies. In the future, I will try to keep more to my self.

This post has been edited by Makavelli: Aug 11 2006, 09:44 AM

I guess the thread is going a bit mad..........first of all she does not live with the parents?? she is 33 anyway.......I cannot ask the book back what i will do instead is to follow the advice of RS and try to explain the situation to my proctor at the GD and see if i can use soem techniques without the book.

As said before i am very sad for this because i guess i did not think all the consequences; however if i did it i can also undo it!

*shrugs* I usually leave my replies open ended for those...just incase instances. (I've written replies to things like this and it turns out the 33 year old guy is actually a 15 year old kid in his parents basement. Nothing personal, just covering my own bum. So, like I said, just incase. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) )

Hmm..honestly, my advice may seem overly "moralistic" but I don't believe you should worry about the talisman itself at this point. If you find that getting it back may incur more problems than solving it, leave it be. Truth is, you want to rectify the actions with something that will help both of you in the end. Though, I haven't much experience with destroying talismans that aren't in my belonging in order to turn back the powers of the spell, so I can only give you advice as to how to rectify this in a way that won't leave you "sore" afterwards. I do believe that you've got a good idea with destroying the talisman on the astral plane. Although the talisman itself was created on the mundane and charged on your altar, the actual tie resides in the astral. Another suggestion would be to contact any dieties that you called upon in order to create the talisman, beseeching them to help them diminish the powers of the talisman or ones that may help the powers of the talisman wane. You could also make another talisman to block the powers of the first, yes it does sound like a bit of a bandaid job..and well..it is. Or, you could not only rectify the situation but also help your own karma by coming out and telling her. Do this ONLY if you think she may have some sort of understanding..if she is in ANY position to hurt you by getting you fired, or ruining your reputation stay clear of doing this. But, I would say that you've made a great stance already with admitting your wrong, confession is one of the greatest forms of healing. I guess now all you have to do is ask yourself, "if it were someone else casting the spell on her, how would you defeat the powers without returning them to the sender?"

This post has been edited by Angalor: Aug 11 2006, 01:16 PM

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I do believe that you've got a good idea with destroying the talisman on the astral plane. Although the talisman itself was created on the mundane and charged on your altar, the actual tie resides in the astral. [/quote]


I would venture to say that since he made a physical talisman, here in the physical and charged it here in the physical, that the energy and will would be connected to the physical object, rather than through the astral.

I do believe that you've got a good idea with destroying the talisman on the astral plane. Although the talisman itself was created on the mundane and charged on your altar, the actual tie resides in the astral.

I would venture to say that since he made a physical talisman, here in the physical and charged it here in the physical, that the energy and will would be connected to the physical object, rather than through the astral.

*sighs*..yes, but I am also going by the fact that the talisman is just a tool. The talisman acts as a "battery" of sorts, it's main purpose is to be charged with magickal power and that being what he's trying to diminish. A talisman doesn't mean much if it hasn't been properly "charged" by the owner and once it has, the energy can become contaminated, tainted, or diminished through the handling of other people (thus why most are hidden or kept secret unless their sole purpose is to garner attention.) The same principle applies to tools used in ritual. Although used on the mundane, they are just physical representations for something or a holder/conductor of energy.
I am merely suggesting that if he can not obtain the talisman, he should seek to diminish the powers of it so it can resort back to being a mere object versus a place holder of energy and intent.

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I am sorry to hear, however I believe in love spells if your heart truly loves them, but on a 3rd date, I simply can't imagine making a big decison like that.

Either way.Good luck. I hope everything works out for you.

Remind me never to do love magick.... even if i wanted to... love is such a thing that i really don't want magick to help me in it. I'm in magick for understanding, not for material gain...

Remind me never to do love magick.... even if i wanted to... love is such a thing that i really don't want magick to help me in it. I'm in magick for understanding, not for material gain...

Nothing wrong with love magick per se. It's how you do it that may be the cause. For instance. If you do a ritual to bring you a new love that is harmonius to you and the universe as a whole and beneficial to all concerned...It's fine.

fiddler

^still, i think that some things should not be put forth by the spirits. Its your own choice anyway, not mine, so i can't really do much.

Shortcuts are for lust only. There are no shortcuts for love.

The usual effect of talismans to generate affection is to change either the caster to a form more attractive to the target or to change the target's idea of what is attractive. As a result, one or both persons are substantially different.

I guess that ethically it's better to change yourself to suit another, assuming your new self still fulfills prior obligations. Seems petty though.

The other option, to secretly alter another for a personal goal indicates, at best, a lack of respect for the target. It is presumptuous to modify their path and the resulting links of such an intrusive action will resonate karmically.

I vote to get the book back. If you don't want to steal it, borrow it to look for a quote or something, claim to lose it and replace it. Revealing your intentions may relieve some of your guilt, but you should consider the implications of introducing a magical perspective to someone who is apparently ignorant of these matters.

In the name of being honest, you will probably complicate her life needlessly.

motsie