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hello everyone

i have a question when doing a evocation can you ask the spirit on behalve of someone else for example ask the right spirit to heal someone in the famillie.

and what is the cost for asking something i know that nothing is for free.

best wishes to you all

Yes you can ask a spirit to heal someone. The cost depends. Most times it is free sometimes they want a small accomidation. It just depends.

Yes you can ask a spirit to heal someone. The cost depends. Most times it is free sometimes they want a small accomidation. It just depends.

thank you for your answer.

what do you mean with a small accomidation.do you have some examples.

and sorry for all these questions i just want all the faqs before i begin something.

This post has been edited by daniel22: Oct 16 2006, 10:31 AM

Burn some fruit or incense, buy a flower. stuff like that. It really just depends on the situation and the spirit involved. They are not going to ask you to kill a chicken or something if that is what you are worried about.

You won't really know until you ask. Try them and see, you do not have to agree to it if you do not want to. You can always refuse their help if you do not like the cost, but as I said generally I have found it free.

If you ask any spirits to heal somebody always make sure you have that person's permission. Its just a basic standard of ethic. If you didn't catch nero's meaning he means sacrific (not trying to put words into your mouth). This can litterally even be money that you bury out in the country. It can be as complex or simple as you feel neseccary. Since finding names of specific spirits that can heal might be difficult you may work with God forms instead. Mercury is an example of a God form that can heal.

thank you for all your reply's


is Summoning Spirits by Konstantinos a good book to begin in learning evocations or do you all sugest another book.

i read different posts saying that his book is a good begin.







[edit=acid09] forgive me I hit the edit botton instead of reply in qoutes, damn medicine is messing with my head[/edit]

This post has been edited by Acid09: Oct 18 2006, 04:53 PM

thank you for all your reply's


is Summoning Spirits by Konstantinos a good book to begin in learning evocations or do you all sugest another book.

i read different posts saying that his book is a good begin.

At a glance his works seem to carry a bit of gothic fluff. Which I guess if one is aligned to such energies more power to them. And I never actually read any of his works either. Any book is a good book to learn from so long as its complete and from what I've heard his stuff is fairly complete, perhaps a bit noobish, but still its something.

The main stuff I'd watch out for is the "witch in box" crap that comes with a plastic wand and some insense or whatnot.

Summoning the spirits is not too bad at least not as bad as some of his other stuff The Book , but Modern Magick is much better to begin with. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mf_bookread.gif) Redhand

This post has been edited by redhand: Oct 18 2006, 11:48 PM

thank you for your reply's i will look further in to what you suggest.

Christians and others ask spirits like angels and so on to heal people everyday and prayers are offered up daily all over the world, basically asking spirits on the other side for help with healing of all kinds.

If you are talking specifics, you could maybe try Archangel Raphael or look at Catholic Saints for those that were known for healing. They are free I believe (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Summoning the spirits is not too bad at least not as bad as some of his other stuff The Book[/url] , but Modern Magick is much better to begin with. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mf_bookread.gif) Redhand

While most would agree with reading Modern Magick first, I would disagree. Modern Magick seems more like a beginners manual than a beginner's "how to." Though, I certainly reccomend both books. And yes, Konstantinos's later works are best to be avoided IMHO.

does anyone have Summoning Spirits by Konstantinos in PDF format and Modern Magick in PDF and are willing to share it i dont have a cradit card so i cant get it out the library and buying the book has no point for me becouse i need to run it on the computer to enlarge the text so i can read it becouse of my eye's

so if someone has these to books on pdf where i can start with that would be great.

i also searched the internet but every link that reverse to these books are not active anymore

already thanks and best wishes

redhand posted a link to S.S. pdf above . . . as far as I'm aware there is not an available M.M. in pdf (this should say something...)

Neither Kon's or Kraigs books are terrible great for a basis in evocation. Niether are bad, M.M. is a full-blown course in ceremonial magick (american western eclectic style) which means only a portion of the book is about evocation proper, and the rest is valuable longterm developmental work. S.S. (although a full coverage of HIS particular style of ceremonial evocation) is rather lacking in many issues that a magician should (already have) cover from a long-term developmental standpoint.
Evocation is an advanced form of magick. Not that that really matters . . . . anyone can do whatever they like . . . but thats not really brought out in Kon's book, which can add to the dissapointment of "failure".

Read Bardon's Practice of Magickal Evocation (also widely available on the net)
and I'd recommend checking out Phil Hines site

Find your way, everything thats written is someone elses way.

This post has been edited by palindroem: Oct 19 2006, 09:46 AM

does anyone have Summoning Spirits by Konstantinos in PDF format and Modern Magick in PDF and are willing to share it i dont have a cradit card so i cant get it out the library and buying the book has no point for me becouse i need to run it on the computer to enlarge the text so i can read it becouse of my eye's

so if someone has these to books on pdf where i can start with that would be great.

i also searched the internet but every link that reverse to these books are not active anymore

already thanks and best wishes

Check out my last post above the part marked as "The Book" it's a link to Summoning the Spirits in PDF. As far as I know there are no PDF's of MM. Redhand (IMG:style_emoticons/default/victory.gif)

This post has been edited by redhand: Oct 19 2006, 03:18 PM

While most would agree with reading Modern Magick first, I would disagree. Modern Magick seems more like a beginners manual than a beginner's "how to." Though, I certainly reccomend both books. And yes, Konstantinos's later works are best to be avoided IMHO.

I do agree that Modern Magick is a beginers manual, but from my perspective it's a good refresher for seasoned Magicians as well. I also think it could help to avoid any pitfalls that may be encountered following some of the new quick start up "how to's" manuals out there. Kinda like rereading Book Four, you might find something new each time. I also took the question by daniel22 to mean that he was looking for advice about a good book of where to begin learning evocations. I could recommend older books, but DMK's writing style is easier to understand without all the archaic references and gives time for developement that is necessasary, and understanding of those older text. I would also read Nero's post: First steps in CM, Where do I begin? And I'm in total agreement with palindroem's point of view. Redhand (IMG:style_emoticons/default/diablo.gif)

This post has been edited by redhand: Oct 19 2006, 05:03 PM

i now have read Konstantinos book and was wondering.

i have read the forums and i have read the book but what i am wondering are all the tools really necessary for evocation because the book has listed allot of tools but some treads say that not all the tools are needed so i really like a answer in this what is needed and what not.

already thanks and best wishes

this same basic question has been asked SO many times . . . I say that not in insult or to diminish its value

Yes, the tools are absolutely a requirement ! . . . . end of subject.


Now, to carry the subject out a bit further (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
The answer to your question can only really be borne out by your experience. I mean that on several levels.......
Its only through your making the tools, practicing the ritual/magickal work, trying in an experimental fashion that you'll determine whether the all the tools are necassary.

Its also only through YOUR accumalation of practice experience that you could not need a / any / all the tools . . . and safe to say, whether which particular tools you DO need.

Its only through your development of your particlar path and style that determines if tools (or evocation itself) are needed or part of your paradigm.

But . . .

If your going to read Kon's book and/or Kraig's book (or Bardon's or any other of those sorts) . . then YES!
all the tools are absolutely required. Practice of the particular ritual work is required. Maintaining the necasarry dedication is required.
From the approach of those authors, if your going to use their methodology . . . do it right.

Plus, I personally have gotten "more" out of just the process of making certain tools then the actual tool has been useful for. The tool is in many ways a symbolic expression of something inside yourself, there . . just not exposed (to you or the world). Making the tool expresses . . . exposes that "thing". Its the point at which you can start working with "it". You may find "it" so clearly that the physical tool becomes only a stepping stone that can be cast-off when the REAL tool is available.
You never know . . . maybe that wouldn't be your case . . . maybe you might have fireballs shooting out of your wand and freeze rays outta your pentagram . . . that'd bee cool too.

Yes . . make them.
(you don't have to be professional quality, or exotic material . . . I know of a magician that made them outta paper and glue (or whatever) . . . and apparently they were good enough . . . just do your best)

(Hia bym)

This post has been edited by palindroem: Oct 22 2006, 06:46 AM

There are a number of threads here on Forum about the use of tools. Frankly, it depends on your approach to Evocation and the strength of your mind. Alot of people don't wish to have to bother with 'tools'...especially newbies, because it forms an inconvenience to them. Determination, commitment and discipline will win you what you want. Seeking convenient shortcuts and an easy road will gain you a mediocre result! Good Luck! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

it's not that i want shortcuts or anything and i know there are a lot of threads about the subject but it never hurts to ask right.
if i dont ask questions then i dont learn from someone that has the knowleadge on the subject it's all a learning process.

but i wanted to have it clear for me.

but thanks for your reply's

and best wishes

When I first started, I was quite ill, in fact, I was often in bed and at some points it was difficult for me to raise my arms and lift things, so I started without tools. I didn't need them.

However, during ritual one day, I was presented with tools by some entities, very nice they were too and also shown an astral temple which I was told to make my own.

What I am trying to say is that it doesn't all have to be perfect with all the tools, robes etc. You do what you can with what you have and if you really do need something else, you will know somehow, either because it will keep presenting itelf maybe through ads on the TV or through forums or some other way, or like me, you will have the other side let you know.

Magick is a serious business, but you should enjoy it too and worries about getting everything exact could spoil that. I hope not though (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bigwink.gif)

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palindroem, bym, and Radiant Star all make excellent points I think the key is "don't throw caution into the wind". I know I may sound like a nag here, but "Take Your Time", "read other works", "study", "practice", and keep asking questions no mater how dumb they may seem, and search through some of the older post also as bym says some questions have been asked before. Redhand (IMG:style_emoticons/default/8.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/00000064.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/horse.gif)

This post has been edited by redhand: Oct 22 2006, 03:23 PM