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| Venefica |
 Nov 9 2006, 06:48 AM
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Well I know there are an psycological ilness where pepole belive they are animals, act like animals in every way, often this is considerd the sorce of the werewolf myth together whit another ilness that give extensive hair growth over the entire body. I however think there is more to the myth than just some as many like to say, poor ignorant medival folk miss understanding an ilness. In Norway we did not have mutch legends of Werewolfs, we did however have many legends of Wearebears. Theese was suposedly sorcerers that had made a deal whit some dark power and either resived a magick belt that transformed them into a bear, or the took on a bear plet and became a bear. We had other were animals as well ofcourse but werebears stood wery strong in our mytology.
It is interesting to note that in Viking times scandinavia was known for the bearserks, witch dranslates into bear skins, a group of warriors and used flein mushroom and rituals to make themself totaly fearless, totaly insensitive to pain and totaly barbaric. Other pepoles the Vikings atackked feared theese warriors that dressed in bearskins did not seam to be like other men, they took mortal wounds and yet continued to fight unthil the battle was over or they were hacked to pices, they feared nothing and was like vicious animals on the battlefieald. In a way the bearserks used a form of sjamanisem to turn into bears and were a kind of werebears, and it is possibly from there that Norway`s myth aboute werebears comes
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| Acid09 |
Nov 27 2006, 04:09 PM
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Even if one really were a Werewolf I don't know that I would want them to prove it to me. I just might be their next dinner. Philosophically my views about werewolves fulls under the otherkin. Werewolves have certain qualities that represent an archetype and I believe some people may share those as well. In that sense they are werewolves. But not because they litterally change into some blood thristy killer during a full moon but because their carnal cravings are most active during the full moon.
Historically I believe the origins of the werewolf myth are actually pretty mundane. Back in the days of the Vikings, for example, the various kings hired elite warriors called berserkers. Now these were professional sword slinging, axe weilding fighters who were known to howl and growl like wild animals, wear animal skins (even horns on their helmets - that myth is at least partially true) over their chain mail, paint their faces anything they could do to intimidate their enemy. Prior to battle they were known to ingest large quanitites of a certain mushroom that causes mild hallunicinations and increases the amount of adrenaline. This made these guys go... well berserk. You can imagine any regular group of soldiers (back in those days many battles were fought by small armies) would be utterly horrified and most likely run rather than fight what must have seemed like a bunch of demons.
The problem was these berserkers only had an aptitude for combat. They weren't exactly useful as accountants or bankers. So once they had completed their contracts they were unemployed with no way to make money. I'd imagine some got jobs as body guards or managed to be mercenaries for other lords and kings but some did not. And well everybody has to make a living some how and these unemployed and discarded berserkers became murauders. Bandits. Just imagine being a typical peasant or merchant of the day minding your own business traveling late at night on a full moon (the best time to be ambushed because the moon light) and being attacked by these berserkers, some of them may have even stayed in the countries they were fighting in, like Norway, France or Russia or Bulgaria - places known for superstition. I'd think that any survivors of these attacks would have reported being amubushed by monsters - or werewolves. I believe in Norway especially the Berserker bandits got so bad that the the nobles had to hire new armies just to fight them off.
These berserkers are just one example I'm sure this was true even in the days of ancient Greese and Rome who may have hired Celtic or Gothic mercenaries.
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| DarK |
Dec 6 2006, 07:03 AM
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Werewolves were ancient shapeshifters in tribes [primarly in ancient Europe (western Russia now)] who used "etheric travel" to change shapes in the physical as animals. These tribals were the Indo-Europeans, and their traditions passed on mostly to the Norse and Vikings, some to the Eastern Europeans. The "berserkers", or the bear shapeshifters of the Norse were also upon these, and used the 2nd method below to shapeshift. Most of these Europeans (prior 3,000 years ago) would go into wildlife and live just as wolves and practice shapeshifting.
There are two ways of shapeshifting that effects the physical:
1. Changing shape via "etheric travel" (similar to an OBE), which leaves the physical body in a trance state and has not much connection or consciousness with the physical body. The Native Americans (some tribes) used this method.
2. Changing the etheric body to that of an animal's without leaving the physical body. This method is a more difficult but a conscious method of shapeshifting, where the body is that of a human's but the traits and potentials excell to that of an animal's (both physically and mentally, to a degree). The "Berserkers" and most of the European shapeshifters used this method.
Though some Native American tribes (primarely in the northern regions of North America) practice the 1st method of shapeshifting, they are way too privy to succumb to a "white" to tell their secrets. However, there is one area in Eastern Europe (of the Balkans) that i'm aware of which practice lycanthropy in the 2nd form.
The myth of "silver"?
Silver is a strong metal, and as you should know, metal has an effect on the etheric body of which the shapeshifter's use to shapeshift (wolf magick).
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| V. Grimm |
Dec 8 2006, 10:55 PM
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I'd avoided responding to this for a while and now I just have to, regardless of who thinks what.
Yes, I've legitimately seen a werewolf before, or at least what I consider to be one. It moved so fast that it was almost incredible, and from what I remember it was a shocking pallor of green. It also smelled absolutely horrible. I guess I should start where it all actually started. My little brother had a dream that two werewolves had come to him, he didn't know how he knew they were werewolves, but they were, and one of them said that they were looking for a wolf in his (my) house. This bothered me, both because I've always held a very strong relationship with the wild, but the first animal I ever saw in the wild was a wolf, and the form my spirit guide takes is that of a shadow-black wolf. Anyways, so, I went through some odd cycles of thought for a while, and later on in the evening, my folks told me they were going to visit my uncle and aunt up in the woods, and as I had school the next day, they were going to leave me alone in the house. This has always been a breath of fresh air for me, as my father is a very conservative long-winded christian, the bible-thumper kind. You know, the kind that tells you all that's wrong in the world is due to not enough prayer. But I digress.
So, it's around 11:30, I remember this because I had just looked at my clock when I heard the most peculiar thumping noise against the side of the house. It was metallic, it sounded dense, and I wondered if it was windy outside. It wasn't, I turned on the porch light and looked through the window. But then I felt this... Need, to go outside. So I put on my slippers, and stepped out. From the edge of the forest that the local paper mill, Boise Cascade, had planted, I saw this skulking feral humanoid creature wandering back into the forest. I watched it for a while, and as it was almost entirely back into the forest, it whipped around to look at me. So I, obviously frightened at this point, turned, and bolted to the gun cabinet. I thought for a moment, and then remembered my dad would kill me if I touched his guns without asking. This seemed like valid logic at the time. So when I turned around I didn't see anything. Out of a sort of morbid curiosity, I went and grabbed my shoes, jacket, and my favorite bayonet, and went outside. I walked to the side of the house, and looked around for a while. It was just as I was about to go back into the house that I saw this little darting object out of the corner of my eye. So I turn around, naturally, and in the space that my turning around occupied, I saw this thing move so fast... Jesus, words don't describe. It was approximately 400 feet away, and in three seconds, it was two inches from my face. I remember falling down, blinking, and it was just gone. Its face was so frightening, because it looked exactly like some of the pictures I've seen that people draw. And it had this noxious breath... Makes me shudder, just thinking about it.
Okay, so, now that I've up and said it... Yes, I believe in werewolves. I believe in physical manifestations of the wolf man. I believe, and I know people are going to think it's B.S. or that I'm crazy for it. Well go right ahead, I know what I saw. Sometimes, when I close my eyes, I still see the damn thing's face. I have no idea why it didn't attack me, maybe it just got a kick out of me being terrified. But in any case, it was damn scary.
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| DarK |
Dec 8 2006, 11:17 PM
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QUOTE(Isaiah @ Dec 8 2006, 08:55 PM)  I'd avoided responding to this for a while and now I just have to, regardless of who thinks what.
Yes, I've legitimately seen a werewolf before, or at least what I consider to be one. It moved so fast that it was almost incredible, and from what I remember it was a shocking pallor of green. It also smelled absolutely horrible. I guess I should start where it all actually started. My little brother had a dream that two werewolves had come to him, he didn't know how he knew they were werewolves, but they were, and one of them said that they were looking for a wolf in his (my) house. This bothered me, both because I've always held a very strong relationship with the wild, but the first animal I ever saw in the wild was a wolf, and the form my spirit guide takes is that of a shadow-black wolf. Anyways, so, I went through some odd cycles of thought for a while, and later on in the evening, my folks told me they were going to visit my uncle and aunt up in the woods, and as I had school the next day, they were going to leave me alone in the house. This has always been a breath of fresh air for me, as my father is a very conservative long-winded christian, the bible-thumper kind. You know, the kind that tells you all that's wrong in the world is due to not enough prayer. But I digress.
So, it's around 11:30, I remember this because I had just looked at my clock when I heard the most peculiar thumping noise against the side of the house. It was metallic, it sounded dense, and I wondered if it was windy outside. It wasn't, I turned on the porch light and looked through the window. But then I felt this... Need, to go outside. So I put on my slippers, and stepped out. From the edge of the forest that the local paper mill, Boise Cascade, had planted, I saw this skulking feral humanoid creature wandering back into the forest. I watched it for a while, and as it was almost entirely back into the forest, it whipped around to look at me. So I, obviously frightened at this point, turned, and bolted to the gun cabinet. I thought for a moment, and then remembered my dad would kill me if I touched his guns without asking. This seemed like valid logic at the time. So when I turned around I didn't see anything. Out of a sort of morbid curiosity, I went and grabbed my shoes, jacket, and my favorite bayonet, and went outside. I walked to the side of the house, and looked around for a while. It was just as I was about to go back into the house that I saw this little darting object out of the corner of my eye. So I turn around, naturally, and in the space that my turning around occupied, I saw this thing move so fast... Jesus, words don't describe. It was approximately 400 feet away, and in three seconds, it was two inches from my face. I remember falling down, blinking, and it was just gone. Its face was so frightening, because it looked exactly like some of the pictures I've seen that people draw. And it had this noxious breath... Makes me shudder, just thinking about it.
Okay, so, now that I've up and said it... Yes, I believe in werewolves. I believe in physical manifestations of the wolf man. I believe, and I know people are going to think it's B.S. or that I'm crazy for it. Well go right ahead, I know what I saw. Sometimes, when I close my eyes, I still see the damn thing's face. I have no idea why it didn't attack me, maybe it just got a kick out of me being terrified. But in any case, it was damn scary. That is the "2nd type of" etheric projection used to etherically transform into a werewolf. If you're in danger silver or something high in metallic would help killing it, nothing else would. Water may also help as it has a substance in it (where holy water comes from). These are people just like you who have mastered etheric projection and shapeshift within the etheric body and become physical, their etheric death will vanish and cause them their physical death. This is the "2nd" type of etheric projection i posted. Its nothing impossible, tribes have practiced this for years long ago, its just not understood and illustrious in the new age. *note - This is NOT limited to wolves, it works with ANY animal. This post has been edited by DeathStalker: Dec 8 2006, 11:17 PM |
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