Results Never Quite What You Expect?, Bad luck? Options

I have heard a few stories about the Necronomicon causing bad luck. Does anybody have any stories like this? Mabey it is because the spirits in the book are not liked by other spirits, like the spirits of the goetia? I noticed that on Amazon they can be as cheap as $2...

The Necronomicon is like a talisman...even the paperback. It has a life (literally) of its own and like anyother can be affected by the action of the user. There are a lot of reasons for bad luck with it.

A.) The general audience the Nec has ie wanna be satanists who are suicidal. The bad energy they give off is absorbed by the talisman...in this case the necronomicon.

B.) Buying this particular book used is not the best idea because it caries the energy (generally bad) of its previous owner. If yu do yu need to throughly cleanse it.

C.) The book has a way of weeding out those not fit for it.

D.) bluntley put some of it is scary as sh (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shok.gif) t

Well the book acts as a tailsmen and sometimes as a real living thing, i.e. thought form all its own at times. I do not know about bad luck following possession of the book. I think most of those stories are just that, stories the same way you hear the same things about having a copy of the Red Dragon or The Sacred Magick of Abramerlin. BUT, the book does tend to attract astral junk. Why I do not know, maybe it is a easy access or maybe it just has a light of it's own, who knows...
Regardless, it will only affect you as much as you let it. If your aura is strong enough most astral junk won't even come into your house.

My husband and I both own a copy of the Simon Necronomicon and I can attest to the fact that it does have a life of it's own and makes a fabulous talisman. I have never experienced any 'bad luck' with it, although I have experienced plenty of other interesting phenomena linked directly to it. However, the Necronomicon by Donald Tyson, published by Llwellyn, caused uncountable nightmares, terrifying visions, physical illnesses (as much as causing massive vomiting just from opening it). This book is supposed to be nothing more than an elaboration of H.P. Lovecraft's mythos, but there is something very real...and very evil, about that book. We bought it thinking it was a newer version of the original Necronomicon that included some of the lost chapters rumored to be out there. The physical manifestations of that book were so severe that my husband had to put it in box bound heavily in magick with seals from the Simon Necronomicon all over it. That tamed down the negative effects for a while, but even then, the nightmares and waking visions of extreme evil and violence were overwhelming. I felt sick all the time...I am pregnant and during that time began having many problems in my pregnancy that resulted in me having to go to the emergency room on an average of once every week...our minds were being messed with on a daily basis...and both of us are very strong minded individuals! It got to the point that both of us decided rather than keep it and try to figure out some way to stop it from corrupting the minds of every person that came in contact with a copy of it, we would banish it from our home. We threw it in the trash can outside our door, along with all the symbols of death that we had started adding to our altars after the book was bought, but no longer wanted as soon as it was out of the house. By the next day my husband was already wanting to bring the stuff back in out of the trash, even though he had been very adament about throwing it away. Sorry for going on and on. We had to take the book far away from the house until the trash came to dispose of it. Please, for the sake of your sanity and your soul, Stay Away From This Book! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wizard.gif)

This post has been edited by Shadowed_by_Shadows: Jun 16 2005, 01:51 PM

I thoroughly enjoyed the book and recomend it to all those interested in some nice fictional add ons to the Simon's Necronomicon. Of course, from a Chaos Magic perspective everything that is fictional can be used and I have found this book quite useful, inspiring and interesting despite being published by Llwellyn.

This post has been edited by Alarum: Jun 3 2005, 12:45 PM

Bad luck? Well, I don't think so much as bad luck from the book itself, as more a manifestation of the users own fears taking over. Such workings are not for those who are weak, as they suffer greatly. Personally, I have never had any negative patterns noted with use of the Necronomicon, although I know of several individuals who have experienced such negativities, but again those individuals were exceptionally weak.

Thanks Agent... very inlightening...

I believe the emotions of pain and suffering involved in some of the magickal teachings in the book draw opon this darkness to cause such mayham. The thing about it is, the book is based opon death and deep dark magic, thus this energy is easily drawn towards it. Of couse, with all of that packed into one book, there's bound to be an unheard of level of negative energy the book draws on... but then again, I'd say that's part of it's design...

It's not that a person is weak, it's just that's alot of energy to get use to in one shot. I suggest you get a higher leveled positive tailisman (like a higher plane symbol of a good deity, or even the Holy Trinity if you feel kinky...) to counteract the effects... The light and dark energys will conflict for awhile, but at least it will be at each other instead of towards you...

The Necronomicon was written by a guy, a man, a human. Nothing more. The book itself is not imbude with any 'Dark' power. The majority of Simons Nec is the 'good' stuff, the names of Enki are positive deities that slew the 'dark' entities and used their corpses to fashion the material world. There is only one small section in the back of Simons Nec called the Urilia Text which deals with the 'dark' side, and this text is noted upon by the author to be under-developed (and it is! Its so basic and stereotypically 'evil' and unpractical it hurts). However saying this, I still use the book to great effect. I just spice up the mythos from the actual works of Lovecraft and the plethora of other texts such as the Tyson Nec, which is very good, full of imagery, ideas and extra pantheons and entities for the mage to summon and play with. I have never once feared these books, the Simon's Nec was the first grimoire I ever used and its probably going to remain with me forever. Its just a book though, the magic happens in your head.
I also recomend the R'leyh text, its very cool.

Hi there Ms Sartori, nice to see you here (IMG:style_emoticons/default/diablo.gif)

This post has been edited by Alarum: Jun 6 2005, 01:09 PM

Energy is energy, it simply IS. The ideas of "positive", "negative", "good" or "evil" are simply labels created by man to allow man to mentally process, assess, and deal with what he is doing.

A person who must call on a "higher leveled positive tailisman " does not have the strength of self to be perfoming the working at all..that is weakness. It makes no sense to me that one should call upon an opposing force for added strength, support, and control in a working, none at all. The magician should have the strength needed of SELF to properly do any working, otherwise the magician needs to prepare more and build up to that working. If you have these "light and dark energies" conflicting to draw pressure away from yourself, just how is that supposed to leave any energy to do the working? If you are calling upon an energy to work for you then you need the FULL FORCE of that energy, if you are not strong enough to do so, then you have no business doing such a working. It is these individuals who have such seemingly "bad luck" and negative outcomes in workings, and are too weak to support their own magic. THAT is what I mean by weak individuals. This I say drawing on my own teachings, experiences and opinion. But then..to each his own...

Alarum...yes thanks for the welcome.

I treat "evil" and "dark" as two VERY different things... I didn't mean to say that the book was "bad," parsay, but I meant that the book draws forth negative or "dark" energy... So that it can be wielded by the practicioner...

Gee, guys, I didn't think this was a debate on power or anything. In "my" experiance, I've actually seen these energies conflict with each other, and cause some incredable things in our world...

Personally, what is light without the dark? and vice verca for that matter? Sorry to go on a tangament, but if you could master this conflict between the negative and positive energies, then you could wield unphantom amounts of energies...

(Note: Please click on the "Uni-Force" link for more info for my behave...)

This post has been edited by UniOne: Jun 6 2005, 11:00 PM

"Gee, guys, I didn't think this was a debate on power or anything"

LOL..me either, mainly I wanted to clarify what I meant by "weak" individuals. I see no need for argument, as I said..to each his own. What works for one will not work for another, that is true. It is however, interesting to see different ideas on the same subject.

"if you could master this conflict between the negative and positive energies, then you could wield unphantom amounts of energies..."

For me, not so much master the conflict of energies, but rather master the energy of Self...but yes, I see your point.

This post has been edited by AgentSartori: Jun 6 2005, 11:05 PM

Good, I was beginning to think I was getting on your bad side...

But negative and positive emotion/will energies do conflict... but I don't want to use the rest of this board to get off topic... care to debate this elsewhere?

I still do not understand how everyone thinks Tyson's book is 'just a story'. Even if it is it calls up some very unpleasant things into the subconscious mind...strong, weak, whatever. I am not a "weak" person, mentally or spiritually and neither is my husband. Most people don't seem to even notice anything when they read that cursed book. I think this is because that is how it is meant to be. The truly 'weak' people are not meant to feel anything out of the ordinary...to them it really is nothing more than a story. But to those who have something to offer magickally, a special skill or strength or even just built up anger, hate or rage-it feeds off of that. No, I am not trying to say I think I am something special or anything like that. More likely than not, the book just seeks out those with an ultimately darker side. Repressed memories of hatred, rage against someone who wronged you, undealt with anger...these things call out the negativity hiding in this book. I never even read it and was experiencing problems. Just touching the book made me feel sick...and I wasn't the only one, and neither was my husband. I am not trying to trash talk or make myself out to be someone extraordinary or anything. I am just trying to warn people that in some peoples cases-in certain circumstances-there is danger lurking in that book. I know it doesn't apply to everyone who reads it, but I know there are others out there who have felt a strange pull from it, could smell the old parchment smell emitted from it's brand new pages, and felt themselves suddenly not believing it was 'just a story' anymore. If you feel anything not quite right when you look at, touch, and/or read Tyson's Necronomicon...you might want to put it down and never pick it up again. Because it's those people that the book (or whatever is lurking within it's pages) wants for not so good ends. I know you all probably think I'm crazy or just trying to get attention or something, and my Gods, I wish that were the case-but it isn't. I take my religion very seriously, and when I feel compelled to try to help others, I do so...whether it makes me look like a lunatic or not. I would not cry wolf if there wasn't one, it's against everything I believe in and stand for and I do not compromise my beliefs for anyone or anything. I hope someone out there takes me seriously for the sake of all.

We all have shadows that fight to come to the light out of our Nephesh. A book like the Necronomicon from any author will give a window to those shadows. A magicians job is to accept that and deal with them. A saint or mystic will try and ignore them and surpress them. A magician embraces them and makes himself the master of them instead of the other way around.

It doesn't always take a occult book to do it either, a couple of beers and a angry song in a bar can bring them out. I am not trying to say the Tyson Nec has no power, rather I am trying to point out the reason it may have power to you. For me it may be The End by the Doors. But what acts as a door for one may not for another.

B.) Buying this particular book used is not the best idea because it caries the energy (generally bad) of its previous owner. If yu do yu need to throughly cleanse it.

Hey Ashnook, what do you mean throughly cleanse it? Please explain.
Thanks,
Chaos_mage4

I'm definetly interested as well, I have one of the originals made I got from ebay hard bound I think its from the 60's or 70s first printing, its Numbered and everthing. It still even smells like incense and such, how can I cleanse this baby?

Sincerely,

PatriotMagick

For those of you that are now or have been using the system. Your results are they more likely what you asked for, or do they have a twist to it? For example....using one of the 50 names of Marduk to acquire money and the twist is that a relative or dear friend dies and leaves you some. Not getting the result the way you intended. I apologize in advance for all the bad grammer. I can't wait to get to the 30th post then I blogs here I come. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Well, with any form of magick, you can be a f*ck up, lol! I'm usually more eloquent, or at least more "stated" when I write, but I believe that first sentance sums it up friend, lol!!

But to use a Necronomicon specific example, about 2 years ago (Hmm, actually 3, come to think of it, yes, 3 years ago at this point.), I was a different person. My ex-girlfriend of 5 years (and more, if you count High School) had cheated on me, and broke my heart. I was hurting. Bad. There is no pain so pervasive, so immediate, so penetrating, and so consistent, as that of a broken heart. Even Dark Nights of the Soul struggle in approaching it...but that's a different sort of pain.

To quell the pain, I concocted a plan to rid myself of my feelings for her forever. In hindsight, and six months after the fact, I realised that it was a bad idea, because what I really wanted was simply for the pain to stop, or at the very least, to ease. Not to cast a dark shadow on our past history, the good times, feelings, memories, exquisite experiences shared, youth through adulthood, life. I didn't want to forget my memories, or her.....I simply wanted the pain of not ever having them occur again to stop, or at the very least, to ease.

In anycase, the pain from the event was so great, that the only thing I could think of was to "Stop pain. NOW", so , in short, what I did was summon one of the 50 names, and ask him to "Break the magical link between us", and with that request, I sent him all of my love feelings toward her, and hate; our history shared, and the times I had during our relationship even when she was not present (a person need not be present to be part of an Era).....

I had no, fu*king, clue as to what I was really asking. What I asked for, and what I really wanted were worlds apart.

At this point, two things should be noted. 1., This mistake could have been made with any magical system, not neccesarilly just the Nec (Though, the events afterward, I believe, only the Nec could have done) and 2., I had NO expereince with evocation during this time. In fact, it would be around 1 1/2 to 2 years later before I performed my first evocation under "normal" circumstances. Normal meaning "Not completely out of my f*cking mind". lol! I'm joking, but I'm serious. I got the results I got, largly, because I had a HUGE reserve of emotional power. I mean, HUGH. Inflame thyself with prayer? What an understatement. That, combined with my relative magical experience, also gave me the results I got.

Now, about the results....Let's just say, I scarred myself. Badly. Really bad. Really really bad. And no, that too, is not an understatement. I will say however, that I began the process of healing immediatly after I burned to ashes the entities sigil (approximatly 6 months later). As of last week, I'd say I'm about 90% over the matter. The magicakl link was also restored in a somewhat weak and tattered form, but it was restored. I'll also say some pretty fu*ked up mundane experiences occured as well, but I guess you already knew that, lol.

As for the entity in question, here, I might add, that along with everything else, I DID make known to the entity my reasons for what I asked, in a jumbled manner....but he just went along with what I asked....I suppose if it was another entity, perhaps I would have at least gotten a "are you sure"? Perhaps this is wishful thinking.

As for who the entity was, I actually do not remember, and I find that odd, then again, maybe not. I do remember right up to the point where I selected his sigil. At that time, i was looking for entities that would in some way, specialise, or hint at, the ability to break the link between people, things, places, anything. There is none among the 50 names (where the entity came from) expressly for that purpose, so I chose the next best thing....one dealing with war, or something. I even scanned the 50 names to see if it would jump out at me. Nope.

I hope you gain more from this than just what you asked friend. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

-F.F.

The spirits of the Sky and the spirits of the Earth called me on the phone and hung up on me twice right after performing a ritual that involved "Spirts of the Sky, Remember. Spirits of the Earth, Remember."

The first call was a minute after I finished the ritual, just long enough for me to walk out of my room and next to the phone. When I picked upthere was no sound and then a dialtone. I then watched television for several minutes and during that time focused astrally on the spirits of the earth, which were "mumbling" incoherantly beneath the house. As I was doing that the phone rang again and when I picked it up it was a dial tone.

They remembered my phone number.

This post has been edited by aDeadAnubis: Aug 17 2006, 11:09 AM

For those of you that are now or have been using the system. Your results are they more likely what you asked for, or do they have a twist to it? For example....using one of the 50 names of Marduk to acquire money and the twist is that a relative or dear friend dies and leaves you some. Not getting the result the way you intended. I apologize in advance for all the bad grammer. I can't wait to get to the 30th post then I blogs here I come. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

If you get bad result with the Nec U need to check your motives for doing the ritual as well as your mental state at the time. If U are afraid ur will manifests exactly what U fear. U must be firm in your will and faith to expect ritual to work.

If U have the right motives and work with the Nec confident in your self nothing will ever get out of hand.

Peace.

In all my years working with the necronomicon I never had a bad “thing “happen. Just be clear with your demands and be sure that you know what you wand and be prepared. Follow the rules and be sure that your mind is focust on the end result.

Nothing bad for me either..
Be pure at the heart as i think that is the key point. And be sure what you ask for is really whats in your heart. Cause your emotions and wish in the mind accompanies your voice...

I have only been growing stronger and for the best consequences.. I have been also taught that if your aim is step 100 and you are at step 7. then wishing for step 100 directly is not what is the real way for you to go.. wish to move to step 8, then 9, then 10...
With hard work, the path Will reach you to 100...

Thanks to Aranunna for that Advice :-)

Mystick

Something I noticed from reading the replies...well, I noticed that there has been a wonderful repetition of a few of the meanings communicated in my post, and I suppose that's good and all, but what's lacking from the responses is additional beneficial material.

Now, I figured it would be fairly obvious to any intelligent person what to do, and what not to do after reading what I wrote, which is why I wrote it, but, for the sake of repetition, and for the sake of learning, let's focus in on a couple of key areas my fellow magicians.

For one, let's try clarity of Intent. Since this has been brought up I believe this gentleman would be best served by examples of HOW to clarify one's Intent. HOW to check one's purpose. And HOW not to f%*! one's self up in the process. These are skills a magician learns as he grows, and not something that lands out of the clear blue. This should be obvious to others...

Now, I was hoping that the person who asked the original question(s) would figure this, and other things out on thier own, since it's rather obvious they don't know, or they wouldn't have asked the type of question(s) asked.

Well, since we're answering questions and giving advice, let's get more specific. How might he clarify his intent in dealing with the Nec, or a certain operation with it, for one? Hmm? What process, if any, might he go through? More than just saying it then, show it. I'm curious how Simonomiconist outside of Ashnook do thier thing. I only say this because it's obvious that the point of my post was either missed, overlooked, or both. Interesting.

-F.F.

I do realize that you get out what you put in to the work as with any action we all undertake. I know that for any magical system belief is the KEY to its power. I asked the question because when I went to Ashnooks website(Its great by the way Ashnook) I could have sworn that there was a reference to," Bedazzled" the Movie in regards to how peoples results came about.( If you missed the movie the man never quite gets exactly what he asked for) I was simply interested in some of Ya'll's results.

Example:
My result was not as I expected, though, I feel I'm better off now than I was before. I meditated on Gil who as you all know is one of the 50 names of Marduk. He's specialty was in creativity, making things grow, and in helping women to give birth(this last was the reason I wanted use Gil) My girlfriend and I have been having problems lately so I figured that He could help.) She and I never really discussed her possibly having a child with me until after the ritual was done. But remarkably even though I would like to be a father I realized the other day that it wouldn't help our relationship get any better in fact it would complicate it further. So After that discussion I found the courage to break it off with her. I feel bad for doing it yet relieved at the same time.

Conclusion:
I didn't get the result I was looking for but I did get a result for me it was bizarre. I never thought I'd break up with her or that it would be as easy.

Ladies and Gentlemen. That is what I meant when I asked the question. Simply state your results if they're strange.

gmcbroom

Please don't quote full posts from the preceding response...it takes up too much room and is totally unnecessary-Mod Squad

What was your origenal intent? Was it to make your relationship smoother? Do you concider this a failure to your origenal intent or a success?

This post has been edited by bym: Sep 24 2006, 06:06 PM

I do realize that you get out what you put in to the work as with any action we all undertake. I know that for any magical system belief is the KEY to its power. I asked the question because when I went to Ashnooks website(Its great by the way Ashnook) I could have sworn that there was a reference to," Bedazzled" the Movie in regards to how peoples results came about.( If you missed the movie the man never quite gets exactly what he asked for) I was simply interested in some of Ya'll's results.

Example:
My result was not as I expected, though, I feel I'm better off now than I was before. I meditated on Gil who as you all know is one of the 50 names of Marduk. He's specialty was in creativity, making things grow, and in helping women to give birth(this last was the reason I wanted use Gil) My girlfriend and I have been having problems lately so I figured that He could help.) She and I never really discussed her possibly having a child with me until after the ritual was done. But remarkably even though I would like to be a father I realized the other day that it wouldn't help our relationship get any better in fact it would complicate it further. So After that discussion I found the courage to break it off with her. I feel bad for doing it yet relieved at the same time.

Conclusion:
I didn't get the result I was looking for but I did get a result for me it was bizarre. I never thought I'd break up with her or that it would be as easy.

Ladies and Gentlemen. That is what I meant when I asked the question. Simply state your results if they're strange.

gmcbroom

This sounds like a greater success to me than if she had had a virgin birth.

Each of the fifty names - like any other spirit - have a lesson to teach you aside from their 'powers.' That lesson reflects their function, as it is the wisdom that they are animated with, the principles of the "mechanical" astral. Gil teaches communcation - how to access your own inspiration and communicate it, how to communcate to others. It sounds to me like you got the oppurtunity to learn Gil's lesson - did you pay attention?

The spiritual knowledge gained by working with the fifty names - or any other spirit - is the most valuable jewel of magickal practice.

peace

I dunno. I would have interpretted it as a failure, because we conjure spirits not to lean a lesson but to produce results we desire. It seems to me he got a different result than what he initially intended, but as long as this person is happy then I guess it doesn't really matter. But this is just my opinion. I don't have any experience with the Nec spirits, only Goetic demons and I would have been less forgiving. Another thing of interest would be to find out when he did this working to know how the planets were aligned or positioned, the day, and if possible the hour of the work with said being. The sumers/babylonians were very much ito astronomy hince the origen of the word Magi(meaning astrologer) and thus magic and magician.

This post has been edited by bym: Sep 24 2006, 06:10 PM

The goal of the ritual for me was to hopefully have a child( its what we both wanted). But in the process I learned a little about myself and her. Thats s when I knew she wasn't really the one for me. I still care about her, but I'm not in as much emotional turmoil as I was before. So to me this ritual was both a success and a failure. Now I'll be able to find someone else. Did I learn a lessosn maybe. But either way to me the result was bizarre and thats why I started this thread to see if other people using the Nec system have had results like mine. At where you don't quite get what you asked for.

gmcbroom

Sweet. Thanks for that clarification, I was a bit confused.

This post has been edited by bym: Sep 24 2006, 06:09 PM

The goal of the ritual for me was to hopefully have a child( its what we both wanted). But in the process I learned a little about myself and her. Thats s when I knew she wasn't really the one for me. I still care about her, but I'm not in as much emotional turmoil as I was before. So to me this ritual was both a success and a failure. Now I'll be able to find someone else. Did I learn a lessosn maybe. But either way to me the result was bizarre and thats why I started this thread to see if other people using the Nec system have had results like mine. At where you don't quite get what you asked for.

gmcbroom

Everything happens for a reason my brother. We grow stronger and wiser each day. Just remember that the Gods and angels of the Necronomicon are good and U have nothing to fear. The Urilla in my humble opinion is evil and can not be worked without some form of negative reprecussion. However of all else in Simons Necronomicon and SImons Necronomicon Spellbook have no fear. Add me to your Yahoo messenger and I will answer any questions concerning the Elder Gods and the Necronomicon.


May Enki walk with you! May Enki protect U! May Enki guide you!