Spirits?, Correction. Daemons. Options

As far as I can see, the beings of Goetia are not SPIRITS, they are Deamons, they are very alive. The reason we can see them is because they astral project, where did you get spirits from? I have been told this and my whole cult knows they are living awake beings.. Are they on a different plane? Who knows. All I know is there in a place called "Orion" now, since they were freed from the Goetia where they were imprisoned. In fact your "Infernal" and "Goetic" beings should be in the very same category. I know Lucifer, an "Infernal spirit", and I know he is a friend of the Goetic Demons, in fact, he resides in Orion also. None of them are "evil". They are our gods. (Well, mine at least).

Anyone agree with me? Because I know alot on this.

This post has been edited by Hitman_Chris: Mar 4 2006, 08:53 PM

All I know is there in a place called "Orion" now, since they were freed from the Goetia where they were imprisoned. In fact your "Infernal" and "Goetic" beings should be in the very same category.
Anyone agree with me? Because I know alot on this.

This is the GREATEST post I have ever read.

This post has been edited by chaoscrowley37: Mar 5 2006, 03:41 AM

As far as I can see, the beings of Goetia are not SPIRITS, they are Deamons, they are very alive. The reason we can see them is because they astral project, where did you get spirits from? I have been told this and my whole cult knows they are living awake beings.. Are they on a different plane? Who knows. All I know is there in a place called "Orion" now, since they were freed from the Goetia where they were imprisoned. In fact your "Infernal" and "Goetic" beings should be in the very same category. I know Lucifer, an "Infernal spirit", and I know he is a friend of the Goetic Demons, in fact, he resides in Orion also. None of them are "evil". They are our gods. (Well, mine at least).

Anyone agree with me? Because I know alot on this.

Hitman, whats your knowedge on Ose? if any.

Questions:


1. What exactly is a "spirit" to you?

2. How exactly are "spirits" and "daemons" different compared to each other?

3. Where did you learn that "daemons" were "freed from the Goetia where they were imprisoned"?

4. Where is "Orion"?

5. What is your cult?


Thanks in advance for the answers.
Please make them as clear, comprehensive, and comprehensible as possible.

What are your sources for this Orian thing? (they told you themselves is a source (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Many people reffer to the Daemons/Demons as spirits. It is a catch all phrase that does not just cover dead people.
Freed from the Goetia? Huh? How can someone (the Daemons) be freed from a way that magicians speak while doing their rites? Goetia, y'know stems from Goes, the funny noises magicians make while incanting....
You know a lot about them? How many years have you been working with them? If more then 10, then I will agree that you know a lot (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) If more then 30 I will agree you know a lot more then me LOL

Athena

Sorry whenever I saw "spirits" it kind of made me think, I am not absolutely sure on all of this, well I USED to be in a cult that studied this and now I am more solo then anything. All I know is that they were imprisoned and freed at some point in time (even thousands of years ago? Apperently at some point they were kept in something and trapped), don't ask me where I got this from because I have hundreds of sources. A spirit to me is a being that does not have a body, or some of the sort.
To me, Daemons are very real, and the Orion thing I am almost positive of, or at least that is one of the names. It's where many of the gods reside if I'm not mistaken, I know they live kind of scattered, but anyways, if you disagree, please tell me, I'm trying to come to a conclusion. And lol, I am pretty new to magick, I have been studying more than anything. I have recently started experiencing stuff. I know that the funny noises are to either add to vibrations, each of them have a certain vibration rate, and some are used just as a sigil would be used. Such as the third eye chakra would use "Om", at least what I read it is. How long have I been in this? A couple of years.

Greetings Hitman_Chris!
You got me (and aparently a few others) very curious about the source(s) of your material. Does the name Jonathan Donahue and the "Abba Father" mean anything to you?
http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/id543.html
I'd like to steer you toward a new perspective...that is, if you don't mind. Knowledge is a wonderful thing...to me it's most of my life. Please take some time to reference our Library. Read up on some other peoples views/experiences. The membership here have some very good sources and are very helpful. The sect in which you were raised or are associated with have a very narrow viewpoint when it comes to gods, demons, spirits, etc. Also, we will be holding classes in the near future. This may be awhile but keep an eye out! I apologise if it appears that I'm talking down to you, it is not my intention to do so. We all have to start somewhere and thank goodness for our friends! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Sorry whenever I saw "spirits" it kind of made me think, I am not absolutely sure on all of this, well I USED to be in a cult that studied this and now I am more solo then anything. All I know is that they were imprisoned and freed at some point in time (even thousands of years ago? Apperently at some point they were kept in something and trapped), don't ask me where I got this from because I have hundreds of sources. A spirit to me is a being that does not have a body, or some of the sort.
To me, Daemons are very real, and the Orion thing I am almost positive of, or at least that is one of the names. It's where many of the gods reside if I'm not mistaken, I know they live kind of scattered, but anyways, if you disagree, please tell me, I'm trying to come to a conclusion. And lol, I am pretty new to magick, I have been studying more than anything. I have recently started experiencing stuff. I know that the funny noises are to either add to vibrations, each of them have a certain vibration rate, and some are used just as a sigil would be used. Such as the third eye chakra would use "Om", at least what I read it is. How long have I been in this? A couple of years.

Reading does't really get you very far. It is the practicing that does (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Athena

Who is this Donahue guy? Went to the website and to tell you the truth I think it sounds like a load of sh*t (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused012.gif) (sorry if I sound rude).

Where did you learn that "daemons" were "freed from the Goetia where they were imprisoned"?
thats a interesting question.
I like some of Caroll "poke" ranyon,MA the book of solomons magick is one of the best.
he has a method were he stares at his reflection and see the image change into the spirits image
I saw it on the DVD and I was laughing my ass off it was so funny (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)