What You Look For In A Good Grimoire?, Suggestions needed for my writing Options

Salutations to all.I would firstly like to thank Ashnook who allowed me to start this discussion in this forum.I really appreciate it.

i am currently in the process of translating many old(500 - 800 years) texts on tantra and eastern magick and even older ones which have been written in palm leaf manuscripts. i have had the good fortune of seeing them while travelling and getting to know many gurus throughout the himalaya region and the surrounding temples and monastries.Though some did not allow me to see all of their private collections,most of them were gracious enough and allowed me to.i am quite astonished at the amount of magickal work that there has been in these material such as the various summoning methods,invocations evokations,sigils,the proper way to make talismans,how to summon ancient spirits into physical presence and much more.

i am looking to compile all the best information in these texts and manuscripts and write out a fully layed Grimoire,a magickal book of working on ancient eastern tantrik and hindu magick.But there is so much information that i do not know for sure what readers would really like to see in a good grimoire.therefore i would appreciate it if you young ones could give me suggestions and advice on what you look for in a good grimoire and what you would like to be included in a grimoire,and what in your opinion is the most important parts that have to be included in it.thank you in advance.

i would appreciate it if you young ones could give me suggestions and advice on what you look for in a good grimoire and what you would like to be included in a grimoire,and what in your opinion is the most important parts that have to be included in it.thank you in advance.

It is always astonishing to hear the over-fifty crowd come across as people below the legal drinking age. Maybe an Oriental tour has a rejuvnating effect.

The key distinction between grimoires and and other occult works is the amount of explicit instruction. It is upon this instruction that the actual reputation of the work (and the adept) depends. You ought to be able to follow the instructions and see the results, otherwise it's bunk no matter what sort of fancy occult lore you describe.

In any grimoire or magickal handbook, I think it is important to have a set goal or principle to which the book works toward. What does the grimoire do for me that others can not? I like the "taste" of the munich handbook, but certainly the goetia can roughly produce the same desired results. There is nothing which REALLY sets them apart because both are centered upon experimentation with evokation of material goods (or the illusion of material goods.) I am not trying to sound preachy at all, as certainly I have used both for such ends, only noting that the grimoires that really catch my eye and focus are those who have some underlying principle which one can "grasp on to" as to have footing for the rest of the work.

I have to agree w/ Ashnook here, for I believe a grimoire must have a purpose/goal to it as far as its creation. Once that is established then you can sift through all of the information a create it. Is this gonna be a self realiztion/ Evolutionary grimoire or is this gonna be bewitchment type of grimoire. Those are just 2 examples of the numerous kinds that can be made. I personally would love to see any new light shed on Sumerian/Babylonian magickal/mystical paths--but thats me jusr being selfish there--hehehehe.

Greetings,

One thing i feel would be important for such a grimoire would be a few introductory chapters on the general background and philosophy of Hindu Tantrik magick. To use Ashnooks term, I like to know the flavor of the magick I'll be working with. Also, a chapter on comparative practices may shed valuable insight on the path's techniques. I can't wait to see this material!
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Tehuti.

i cant wait till you release that grimoire. I would also like to see the relationship of tantrik and necronomicon magic about hinduism and summerian :-) magic with these two most primitive forms will be a real powerful instrument.



just to mention, those gurus who allowed you to see their private collections, will they agree to allow these knowledge to be published? well lets hope. there might be the risk that people used them for evil purpose like tantrik hypnotism and mesmerising of ladies to do you know what ;-)... so i guess in the grimoire you introduce something that allows success with certain powers unless approved by a divinity. well just a thought... else we all know that knives are sold to cut vegetables and even if some use that to murder, we still sell knives ;-)



what i would like in the grimoire is to have all you mentioned. even the manifestation into the physical real would be kool.. but from what i know these are tough rituals but still do include easier ritual where you definitely see results...



If possible include rituals to gain blessing from the trinity higher Gods. Brambha, Vishnu, Shiva. that would be kool.



will post more as things come to mind.



pranaam rishi ji



mystick

Salutations to all.appreciate all your comments so far and i will take note of all of them when writing the book out.do give me more of your thoughts so i get a clearer vision of what is needed.i am currently in two minds to whether write a full blown grimoire with every single concept and ritual explained whether good or evil and let the decison rest in the hands of the user or to hold back some information that might not be safe for the new practitioner.or i might just include certain "blinds" in the system as simon did and let the seasoned practitioner get to them as they grow.

there are certain manuscripts i was allowed to read but not write down as they dealth with calling upon certain entities of quesionable nature such as certain rakshashas and djinns that have not been evoked in centuries or had been slain by some of the hindu dieties such as durga and kali in their physical form but are still in a "dreamlike state" in an astral sense.i do not think it wise to give the instrutions to these beings to a new user,but i also do not agree with the gurus who would rather let important knowledge disappear as the manuscripts are all in dilapidating conditions and they will break down to dust in a few more years..

That would be a great idea. but, if I may as much as I think blinds could come in handy they should be put in place specifically for evocation the spirits or divinities of a darker nature. I think the good beneficial ones shouldn't have the blinds seeing as they could help more the hurt the novice. I for one can't tell you how confusing its been trying to utilize the Necronomicom. I love appealing to Marduks names and Inanna as well, but some of the material in that volume is damned confusing. I know he put blinds in there to help protect the novice but still..... Lets take Inanna for example she is the Ultimate Goddess in my opinion. She shouldn't just be worked at night and the same goes for the other Gods as well. The dominant Elder Gods i believe should be called when needed night or day. Oh well, I'm detracting from the thread and I apologize. Just my thoughts if your planning on making the grimoire especially if its to be published. My opinion if your to use aggressive spirits/Gods, even dark spells, etc put blinds on those or atleast the banishing rituals necessary for the aspirants protection directly in front of them. But the positive Gods and spells, as well as those that help the aspirants evolutionary process, shouldn't have blinds as they are beneficial. Also please try to personalize it as I hate seeing the same rituals repeated over and over again just with a different author. I'm not saying they don't work but those methods make me think if I've bought one book I've bought them all and YOURS should be unique to you. So that I could pick it up and say," Thats the book that changed everything for me it's different and powerful." Sorry I didn't mean to rant. Good luck and I look forward to the book.
gmcbroom

With the amount of material it seems that you have collected from your travels, perhaps it would be best served by taking one concept at a time per chapter and use that as a foundation before the grimoire jumps right into the 'how to' art. There should be some anecdotal materials as well and any comments the owners of said books bestowed unto you while discussing their favorite technique or working. Then maybe a quick lesson on the types of NPE's (Non-Physical Entities) these practitioners deal with, how they deal with them, and so on. I know there is a world of difference in both attitude as well as protocols and methods that they use than what Westerners use. I could easily see this book idea outgrowing one cover and becoming a series of books which may be better suited to this difficult topic.

Like the others, I too am delighted to hear it's forthcoming and am anxiously awaiting the opportunity to buy a copy. Eastern Evocations are difficult to find and rare when you can find a practitioner talk about it.

All the Best,

Ave

Definitely just lay everything out, those that want to use it for material gain and evil ends rarely want to put any work forward, so that it the main obstacle that 99.9% of the evil ego-magicians from doing any harm to themselves or their community. I personally would devour a handbook on ancient tantra and hindu magick and I know of a small number that too would be very grateful for such a publication.

The best grimoires are ones that are practical and lay out how to work the system end to end. The grimoires that actually outline how things work are the ones that are enshrined in legend, like the Goetia and the Necronomicon, because these accomplish what they say they do. Only in occultism would you find such a cult for things that work and such an acceptance of things that don't (IMG:style_emoticons/default/13.gif)

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Rishi

please don't put any blinds in the book. Be specific about certain things like "this demon god here is said to be very dangerous, so try this at your own risk" but don't put in blinds. Putting a disclaimer at the beginning of the book like "this book is meant for experienced magicians" is good enough, IMO, to deter a newb from trying something dangerous. And if they do, well they can't say they weren't warned about it.

What I'm trying to say here is that I don't think it's a good idea to write a book about something that is so hard to find (eastern magick), and then try to put so many blinds into it that it's just as difficult to understand or practice as the original manuscripts (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif).

The book should have a spiritual side, and a practical magick side. I'm of the belief that any good grimoire should produce tangible results. If it doesn't, it should just go into the trash can. So keep that in mind. I like the above suggestion to include some kind of way to get blessings from the trinity. I'd like that very much. I'm also partial to the "true" techniques for making talismans, and to get visible appearance of spirits.

But I also like the thought of the book having those "evil" techniques of hypnotism and mind control, etc. Who's to say those things are bad? The reader should decide for him/herself what is done with those spells or spirits.



Just my 2 cents. I'll most likely buy this book, but if I find blinds, I won't be a happy reader (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

please don't put any blinds in the book. Be specific about certain things like "this demon god here is said to be very dangerous, so try this at your own risk" but don't put in blinds. Putting a disclaimer at the beginning of the book like "this book is meant for experienced magicians" is good enough, IMO, to deter a newb from trying something dangerous. And if they do, well they can't say they weren't warned about it.

I agree, warnings at the beginning of your grimoire and against certain dieties of a more volatile nature should be enough.
I'm looking forward to when you have it finished.

i would like to thank every body in this forum for thier kind contribution.i have a projected finish date for my book to be end march.will follow up on you all when its done and its in the final stages.god bless.

Hi Im not very well versed with eastern magick but since my stay here at the sacred magicks forums Ive come across alot of fellow adepts missing the key point for success in all these ritual magicks, evocation etc. That is focus of the mind and more importantly activation of the spiritual eye is required. Maybe you can include somthing for this exact purpose as I believe alot can benefit from this.

Greetings all. i would like to thank brother hasan who has been providing me with quite abit of his own knowlege in islamic magick for my book.i am thus dividing the book into two main categories.One is hindu eastern style and the other is islamic eastern style.Do give us your support.thank you and God bless.