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| Fenix |
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QUOTE(nickols_k @ Aug 3 2007, 03:04 AM)  Sorry! Englisg is not my primary language nickols_k, I did not mean to insult your english skills at all. I had no trouble understanding your words. I also do not intend to to judge your beliefs, which are just as valid as everyone else's. What you don't seem to realize is that they are also NO MORE VALID than anyone else's. You discuss this truth about the beast, ect., as the absolute truth. If the varied array of religions and philosophies have taught us anything, it is that there is no "universal truth" which applies to everyone. All anyone can do is take everything they've experienced and learned so far, and draw conclusions and form a belief which makes the most sense to them. The worst mistake one can make is not having a sort of fluid belief. By this, I don't mean drastically or constantly changing your beliefs. What I mean is taking in experiences and ideas and thinking, "hmmm..., I've never thought about it like that before..." and maybe afterwards you'll see things a little differently than before. I've tried to do this with your thoughts, but all I've got out of it was christianity with some irrelevant twists. But perhaps i am negatively biassed since you went about it the way you did. I tried to type this without seeming like a jerk, but this thread has really been bugging me, not at all because of the content, but that you went about telling it like a self-proclaimed prophet, as Vagrant Dreamer said. You are not here to grow or share ideas, which is what this great community is for. You are here to spout and propagate your beliefs as the absolute truth, which I cannot stand. P.S. I laughed for five min. at the giant mouthed pear that said "LOL WUT" because it is freakin' hilarious.
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HISTORY PRIOR TO THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLDS.This subject I would like to call as the art story, which has appeared according on listening of parts of prophecies. The origin of the Creator I don't know and to speak correctly, He is living from the beginning of eternity. In a prophecy I was informed, that to speak about arising of the life because of chaotic movement of molecules, it's possible, but only when we are speaking about the Creator, and that world in which we live, has been created. The age of the Creator is a lot of years - even more than several billions, and is even more. Exactly to say, He simply did not count the days of the His life. In this way, it's possible to call Him as old, but in days, instead of inwardness. All this time He lived absolutely one. In that world where He lives, the same as and in our world, one epoch replaces other epoch. All this time He searched for a meeting with any other mind, with any other form of a life. Most probably, nobody is able to sustain so much years of loneliness. The Creator undertook attempts to commit suicide. At first, that were attempts very quickly to kill Himself, but they have not achieve success. Eventually, He has built something similar to eternal fire, it's similar, to a thermonuclear reactor and has rushed to this fire, but it's not a lake of fire of our world. In that fire He has spent millions years. Eventually, He has got out of that reactor. From a prophecy it was not clear, whether because, fire has died out itself, whether because all it has bothered He. Having got out, He has counted the provisional quantity of time lead on fire. His feeling of guilt has not changed also it strictly proves that above He there is no God, else He simply would offend He for so much years of stay in fire. Moreover, He was not die for millions years of stay in fire strictly proves, that He is living forever. I.e., He exists always. After millions years lead on fire, He drank much and began to look similar to form of sphere. Having understood, that He is living forever, He began to search for ways to brighten up the loneliness and eventually has understood, that it's necessary to make. He began to cut off from Himself pieces of own body and has understood, how to alive that. Then, He has understood, how to restore Himself. Thus was appeared a matrix. The matrix has mind and, in view of, that it's made of pieces of a body of the Creator, at it, sometimes has a desire to take a place of the Creator. I.e., it understands that when the cell has made multiple copies by division itself then sometimes cell, which was born, eats the cell, which has generated it. However, the Creator has expected and has excluded a possibility of approach of such event. It's necessary to note, that the Creator till now has not lost hope for a meeting with other mind in that world where He lives. That Universe which surrounds us in this world is embodiment of dream of the Creator about a meeting with other civilizations. That set of languages, human and angelic which He has invented, testifies to His skill and aspiration to distinguish casual noise from the signals, capable to bear the semantic information. Moreover, all those processes which exist in our world: radio waves, molecules, light and so on, exist in the world where the Creator lives. He, simply, has understood, what is it by the nature and could program absolutely all them in our world. It's known, only that world where we live is better that world where the Creator lives. If He will find any other mind in His world then even in this case, He will not destroy a matrix because He has beloved our world, which has created. Simply, there will be happen the big symposium, including a theme of how it's better to program in this case. The world of the Creator!According on that vision, which I received, the world where the Creator lives, reminds something like stones' desert. The picture was, practically black-white because that world not too abounds with bright paints. I saw a hollow located between mountains. Mountains, represented, enough peaked boulders of dark-grey color, with height in several kilometers. In the middle of these blocks there were looses of stones, the different size and the form, but it's not enough than differing on color from mountains. These stones more often reminded cobblestones, greater, average and small sizes. There are no rivers, lakes, streamlets and, even, pools with water. The conclusion that world absolutely there is no corrosion arose. Above a head was visible the light grey sky with hardly appreciable blueness. Through this smoke was visible the shone disk of is bright-white color. It's reminding our Sun, but in two times more than its visible size when it go down. In a head was various ideas that if will happen nuclear war then our planet would represent something similar to that world where the Creator lives. In this sense, the Creator, probably, can be included to number of people who are capable to wring out slightly damp sand so that from it to strain off to Him a mug of water. It's turn directs at ideas that, probably, in that world where the Creator lives, a long ago was a destruction of a civilization. Probably, it has occurred because of war, and may be, because of outflow of a high-energy substance. When the Great civilization perished, its representatives as memory of have managed to create a certain form of a life, which is capable to live and survive in any conditions. Alternatively, speaking in other words, they have created the ideal form of a life. It's not excluded, that they have put in pawn an impulse recovering, the form of a life created by them, for that period when consequences of that power accident, practically, completely will pass. In addition, it's possible to draw a conclusion that representatives of that civilization have put in pawn in the new form of a life desire to recreate the world or to create much more the best world, against of their world. These ideas lead to following conclusions: - The Creator hates us because we are similar to those who a long ago has invented and has created Him, and has doomed to that life, that He had all this time. Still, this can explain that fact, that He has finished quality of our world to such level, that men it's became possible to call a Gods.
- Still the Creator hates us that in accordance with His program, He has created us in flesh, and in fact, the flesh has brought that civilization to ruin.
- Still the Creator hates us that He is compelled to save some part of those people who are similar to those who have brought the Great civilization to ruin.
- Moreover, at the same time He feels the superiority on us, being a copy of that civilization, which He has invented.
- Same that fact speaks, that He has made people such, that without He we can nothing. However, He is able to create the forms of an independent life. He has created people dependent on Himself, with the purpose of prevention of destruction of the civilization created by Him.
- Same the fact of proves existence of lake fire. He, in any sense, revenge to those who is similar on doomed He to that existence which He lived all this time.
On mind even has come the hypothesis about cycling of genesis of a life. The essence of this hypothesis in short reduced to that the civilization, reaching some critical point, stops the existence, leaving after itself, so-called "a space egg". This egg stores in itself the information, sufficient for creation of a new life. A become activated the egg as the first form of existence of a reasonable life, turns to the most complexes intellectual center or, speaking in other words, the Highest Mind. At a following stage of genesis, the Highest Mind creates electromagnetic and biological forms of a life. Electromagnetic forms of a life help the Highest Mind to create surround world. Biological forms of a life, growing, create an artificial intellect, which helps them to grow. If the civilization, in the genesis, reaches a critical point after, which existence is impossible it leaves after itself next "a space egg", not transferring at all any knowledge which have led to crisis and destruction of a civilization. From the point of view of this hypothesis, average duration of one cycle is equal, approximately, to 5 billion years. On mind also come ideas that in epoch of the previous cycles, there could be same we but perfectly others. In addition, that there were other Universes, galaxies and stars. Moreover, that around of these stars rotated the most beautiful planets with the fantastic landscapes, covered by fantastic vegetation. Moreover, that there can be, even other a substance of which all world consisted, differed from ours, not speaking about laws of physics also. Mysterious both fine animals and people could occupy these planets. Moreover, that there were countries, the states and empires, and can be, even, the Atlantes. Moreover, we could live, in other worlds and empires, even, more happily, than in a current cycle of genesis of a life. However, unfortunately, all it has turned to ashes. Personally, in my opinion, in so-called "a space egg" may keep some echo of the previous cycle of genesis of a life. However, it has let know only to the Highest Mind. We shall hope that eventually the Creator will throw light and on this hypothesis. It's necessary to note also, that our creation in hundreds and thousand times it is better than that world in which He lives, regardless the fact that the Creator cursed it. Moreover: lakes, the rivers, the seas and oceans, vegetation occupying our planet, animals, people, a pray, a repentance, a confession, a manna, power of a word and many other things actually are dreams of the Creator which He has embodied in our world. How much I have understood, quality of neutrino, in this last world, has such quality that the substance of physical objects of this world consist all, has turned out much more qualitatively that substance of the world where lives the Creator. In a prophecy I was informed, that at present time, the Creator has already found out, in world where He lives, something similar to the intelligent signal. He expected approach of this event still before has started to create a matrix. In a prophecy was spoken that He has understood that He is watched. Having understood it, He has approximately defined language on which it's necessary to communicate with those who watch Him. I.e., people, taking a great interest in researches of extraterrestrial civilizations, generate certain signals, which broadcast, through radio transmitters, in space. The Creator has banished one of such signals, through the systems of search of other mind of own world and has received the answer. He hated the previous worlds still because in them there could not be a signal of the correct form, which would help the Creator to find other Mind. Idea of such signal, He put in those or other people of all previous worlds, maybe, except for the very first. Moreover, it has served as an occasion for the invention of devil properties the Creator which, by the way, is not only at a devil, but also at some people. He has beloved this world still and consequently, that in this world such signal, at last, has been generated. Moreover, if the Creator will come into contact to other Mind that, is not excluded, that He will create model of that Mind in our world to study it better from all points of view. He can make it, even if other mind will be found out as more absolutely and more strongly, than He is. In a prophecy, it has been explained also, that the Creator has doubled quantity of places for the saved people and plans, in this connection, to materialize an epoch of the beast in a miniature. I.e., absolute all people will not be saved in any case. It is necessary to note also, that our world is analogue of the card of the Creator. I.e., it would be enough simply to show this world to other Mind and that Mind would have a full representation about opportunities, skill and dreams of the Creator. However, looking at so joyful event the Creator never will go on infringement of those rules and laws, which He has established in our world. Simply, because He does not want, that other Mind has declared that the Creator is not able to program at all. However, on reduction or, in some cases, a canceling of punishments for sins the Creator is almighty and to be agree.
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| shamanwizard |
Jul 1 2008, 09:25 PM
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my God, nickols k, english its not my first language either, so i want to apoligize for everyone who made fun of you because of that, second, dude, relax!!!!!!!!!!we are all here to learn not creep people out, just sit , and enjoy (IMG: style_emoticons/default/i_triangle.gif) (IMG: style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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| nickols_k |
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QUOTE(shamanwizard @ Jul 2 2008, 07:25 AM) my God, nickols k, english its not my first language either, so i want to apoligize for everyone who made fun of you because of that, second, dude, relax!!!!!!!!!!we are all here to learn not creep people out, just sit , and enjoy (IMG: style_emoticons/default/i_triangle.gif) (IMG: style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I'm glad for you! |
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| Neshamah |
Jul 23 2008, 10:44 AM
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My God, nickols_k, where do I begin ?
I thought long and hard before posting to this thread; I don't want to add to the confusion already here. So, allow me, please, to clarify a couple of things I have seen in this long ramble for those of you who are actually interested:
The word "Maranatha" is actually two Aramaic words, "marana tha" which mean, "Our Lord, come!" (it might also be "maran atha" which means "Our Lord has come!"). Either translation is acceptable, since we have no clue as to the context in which this word (these words) were used. We don't have a time machine to take us back 2000 years.
Evidently this was an idea that was common to many groups in the early church, since its use was fairly widespread. It was most likely an expression taken from the words of Jesus of Nazareth himself (if we are to believe in the resurrection and the appearance of Jesus to John on the Island of Patmos, that is) where Jesus tells the church of Philadelphia, "I am coming soon..." (Revelation 3:11) and repeats this phrase a number of times (Revelation 22:7, 12, 20; see also 2:25). Therefore, it is probably safe to assume that the members of the early church believed that Jesus would return in their lifetimes.
And, finally, at least for now, the whole idea that God hates the people of the world is totally absurd (in the light of the accepted scripture of the Christian Church). For instance:
QUOTE "Beloved, let us love one another, because love is from God; everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, for God is love. God's love was revealed among us in this way: God sent His only Son into the world so that we might live through Him. In this is love, not that we loved God but that he loved us and sent His Son to be the atoning sacrifice for our sins. Beloved, since God loved us so much, we also ought to love one another." (I John 4:7-11)
Oh, and that part about the Bible being mis-translated in all languages is totally false. No other book in history has been more thouroughly studied and researched. The treanslations that are available today are the best that have ever been available. If this still troubles you, though, you could take the time to learn Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek and translate it for yourself.
Light, Life, and Love.
For a Peace Profound,
Neshamah
PS: My credentials for writing the above: I am seminary trained (Lutheran) with a Masters Degree in Theology (M.Th.). I can read Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, Latin, and German fluently, and have some understanding of Babylonian and Sumerian. Presently, I am a full-time Rosicrucian with a love for Ceremonial Magick and Qabalah (Kabbalah). (IMG: style_emoticons/default/dance2.gif) Edit: To fix font problems. This post has been edited by Neshamah: Jul 23 2008, 10:47 AM
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| shamanwizard |
Jul 26 2008, 01:23 PM
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QUOTE(Neshamah @ Jul 23 2008, 12:44 PM) My God, nickols_k, where do I begin ?
I thought long and hard before posting to this thread; I don't want to add to the confusion already here. So, allow me, please, to clarify a couple of things I have seen in this long ramble for those of you who are actually interested:
The word "Maranatha" is actually two Aramaic words, "marana tha" which mean, "Our Lord, come!" (it might also be "maran atha" which means "Our Lord has come!"). Either translation is acceptable, since we have no clue as to the context in which this word (these words) were used. We don't have a time machine to take us back 2000 years.
Evidently this was an idea that was common to many groups in the early church, since its use was fairly widespread. It was most likely an expression taken from the words of Jesus of Nazareth himself (if we are to believe in the resurrection and the appearance of Jesus to John on the Island of Patmos, that is) where Jesus tells the church of Philadelphia, "I am coming soon..." (Revelation 3:11) and repeats this phrase a number of times (Revelation 22:7, 12, 20; see also 2:25). Therefore, it is probably safe to assume that the members of the early church believed that Jesus would return in their lifetimes.
And, finally, at least for now, the whole idea that God hates the people of the world is totally absurd (in the light of the accepted scripture of the Christian Church). For instance:
Oh, and that part about the Bible being mis-translated in all languages is totally false. No other book in history has been more thouroughly studied and researched. The treanslations that are available today are the best that have ever been available. If this still troubles you, though, you could take the time to learn Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek and translate it for yourself.
Light, Life, and Love.
For a Peace Profound,
Neshamah
PS: My credentials for writing the above: I am seminary trained (Lutheran) with a Masters Degree in Theology (M.Th.). I can read Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, Latin, and German fluently, and have some understanding of Babylonian and Sumerian. Presently, I am a full-time Rosicrucian with a love for Ceremonial Magick and Qabalah (Kabbalah). (IMG: style_emoticons/default/dance2.gif) Edit: To fix font problems. I think I've found my new maaster, do you want to be my master neshamah?!?!!?!!?
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| Neshamah |
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Hey shamanwizard, Why don't we become friends, instead ? I would like that very much. It would be great to have a "buddy" on this board (even more than one (IMG: style_emoticons/default/ohyeah.gif) ). Peace. NeshamahThis post has been edited by Neshamah: Jul 26 2008, 02:07 PM
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| Matthew Kelly |
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I don't hold any of these truths to be universal or applicable to myself, and so this begs the question "What qualifies one to propagate The Truth ™ if it consists of symbols, correspondences and theologies which are intrinsic only to one doctrine?" That is, why should all of this be taken as the truth when it's not universal? If it was universal I would accept it (indeed, I'd have no other choice), but it apparently requires the insistence upon certain idiosyncracies and dogmatic assertions which are only observable by subjective means, and that is a fact which shows it leaves quite a few bases uncovered. Sorry, I'm not playing ball with someone who doesn't know the rules of the game. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) To me there's far too much allegory and wishful thinking for any of this to be useful, and furthermore anyone relying on it must submit to limitations imposed by the core doctrine from whence these "theories" arise.
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QUOTE(Matthew Kelly @ Aug 1 2008, 08:04 PM) I don't hold any of these truths to be universal or applicable to myself, and so this begs the question "What qualifies one to propagate The Truth ™ if it consists of symbols, correspondences and theologies which are intrinsic only to one doctrine?" That is, why should all of this be taken as the truth when it's not universal? If it was universal I would accept it (indeed, I'd have no other choice), but it apparently requires the insistence upon certain idiosyncracies and dogmatic assertions which are only observable by subjective means, and that is a fact which shows it leaves quite a few bases uncovered. Sorry, I'm not playing ball with someone who doesn't know the rules of the game. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) To me there's far too much allegory and wishful thinking for any of this to be useful, and furthermore anyone relying on it must submit to limitations imposed by the core doctrine from whence these "theories" arise. hey dude I see that you like metal? what are your fave bands? Im pretty much into any death/black/grindcore shit. Grogoroth, naglfar, suffocation, decapitated, cryptopsy, malevolent creation, behemoth, nile, augury, devourment. spawn of possession etc etc |
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