Thoughts On Teleporting, via astral projection Options

This hasn't really formulated in my mind enough yet to become a theory, so it's more just a jumble of thoughts I wanted to get some input on. I came across a few theories in various sources where people believed that someone could teleport physically with enough practice by astral projecting and then pulling their physical body to them. I also came across a website while researching something completely unrelated - that is, underground tunnels in cities that gangs used for fast escapes. I found a lot of information speculating the existance of some underground tunnels in San Fransisco, although they were never found after the gigantuous earthquake. As to the original point, theres a theory that the tunnels didnt physically exist, but there were secret rooms with certain metals and gemstones used for conducting enough energy to teleport out, using some magical laws of chinese alchemy. Site is here if you want to read the less scattered summary:
http://www.sfgate.com/offbeat/city.html
ANYWAY, I'm just wondering if anyone thinks this would be possible, or the theory of summoning your body to you with astral projection has any possibilities. Also, I know a lot of people agree with the concept of astrally travelling in time on the spiritual plane. If one's able to teleport through astral projection, in theory it would also be possible to pull your body through time, therefore time travelling physically. Pretty sketchorific stuff. Not sure what my opinions are on any of this, but any others are welcome. Thanks

PS - Not sure if this belongs in this forum, so move if it should be elsewhere

I'm interested on what brought you to that conclusion. Personally, my thoughts are mixed. First, it's theoretically possible, but the level of power needed is insane. To do what you're suggesting, you would need to convert your body into energy and resequence it at the point where your body and mind reconnect.

And you couldn't change mid-transit either. If someone interrupted even a small amount of that energy, you would return half-formed, if not worse. Plus, even if it wasn't interrupted, you need large amounts of talent, experience, and knowledge to put your body back together molecule by molecule in a fraction of a microsecond so you don't turn to dust.

So I say, sure.

I'm interested on what brought you to that conclusion. Personally, my thoughts are mixed. First, it's theoretically possible, but the level of power needed is insane. To do what you're suggesting, you would need to convert your body into energy and resequence it at the point where your body and mind reconnect.

And you couldn't change mid-transit either. If someone interrupted even a small amount of that energy, you would return half-formed, if not worse. Plus, even if it wasn't interrupted, you need large amounts of talent, experience, and knowledge to put your body back together molecule by molecule in a fraction of a microsecond so you don't turn to dust.

So I say, sure.

If it were possible, I actually don't think it would be that complicated - you wouldn't have to know the position of every molecule of your physical body, the morphogenic field, a sort of energetic template for your physical form, takes care of that. Imagine that each molecule has a very specific frequency due to it's placement within the field, so when the particles that make up the molecules vanish from one spot and reappear in another, they return to physical space in their context to one another through the medium of the field.

That's assuming that it's necessary for all the molecules to come apart like that. It's possible that teleportation is matter of restructuring one's context within the quantum field - instead of popping apart and passing through time and space, you just take time and space out of the equation, the your coordinates in the field change, and so your experience changes - instead of experiencing the information of 'this' part of the field, you experience 'that' part of the field. To outside observers, assuming observers wouldn't lock your quantum signature in place which they probably would, you'd just not be there anymore.

However, we do know that a particle can vanish from one place and reappear in another - physical teleportation on the quantum level. So, real teleportation could be a matter of generating a focused fluctuation of energy which 'bumps' the localized field that your own field is interacting with to another location.

Bad things could still happen, but I think that because of the nature of energies within the field, and the fact that you'd never reach out for a context of 'stuck in a wall' they're less likely than you might think.

Not that any of that is anything I can say anything about for sure - I don't know anyone who can teleport and so far I haven't figured it out either.

peace

If it were possible, I actually don't think it would be that complicated - you wouldn't have to know the position of every molecule of your physical body, the morphogenic field, a sort of energetic template for your physical form, takes care of that. Imagine that each molecule has a very specific frequency due to it's placement within the field, so when the particles that make up the molecules vanish from one spot and reappear in another, they return to physical space in their context to one another through the medium of the field.

That's assuming that it's necessary for all the molecules to come apart like that. It's possible that teleportation is matter of restructuring one's context within the quantum field - instead of popping apart and passing through time and space, you just take time and space out of the equation, the your coordinates in the field change, and so your experience changes - instead of experiencing the information of 'this' part of the field, you experience 'that' part of the field. To outside observers, assuming observers wouldn't lock your quantum signature in place which they probably would, you'd just not be there anymore.

In developmental biology, a morphogenetic field is a group of cells able to respond to discrete, localized biochemical signals leading to the development of specific morphological structures or organs.[1][2] The spatial and temporal extent of the embryonic fields are dynamic, and within the field is a collection of interacting cells out of which a particular organ is formed.[3] As a group, the cells within a given morphogenetic field are constrained — i.e. cells in a limb field will become a limb tissue, those in a cardiac field will become heart tissue.[4] Importantly, however, the specific cellular programming of individual cells in a field is flexible: an individual cell in a cardiac field can be redirected via cell-to-cell signaling to replace specific damaged or missing cells.[4] Imaginal discs in insect larvae are examples of morphogenetic fields.[5]

That has to do with morphgensis or the impact on variables shaping biological things. I should mention that I am a sophmore and that microbiology is my major in college, but let us not get into that. The molecular examples of this would be morphgens (soluable molecules that carry and diffuse signals). It has been discovered that when an electron reaches a certain state, it can not be measured. It simply vanishes from detection and that is a group of single sub atomic particles. It is not even an entire atom. A single particle is different than a human body. You can not take time and space out of the equation, either.

The rest is a miss application of the quantum field theory, the observer affect, and Heinsburg Uncertanity Principle. You left out coherence and discoherence. You left out the classical systems in place that give an object its properties. You glossed over the biological and physical paradoxes. There is no such thing that, as of yet, as locality. One thing can not be instantly transported or transmitted to another location with such factors as time affecting not it. Light can't even do that.

There is no such thing as an energy template for the body, unless you would like to argue the subtle body angle, but that has not been proven of yet and I highly doubt that it would have a physical impact. If that was the case, that a person's amputated arm should know to grow back. The cells would know where to go and rearrange themselves in such a pattern. Just sew up a person's arm and they would be good to go. The cells would follow the "template" that the subtle body provides.

And you can't use Quantum Mechanics to prove or justify "magickal" thoughts.

As far as the phasing through the astral that is another different beast. You would have to do a complete transmutation, which I don't think is possible.

This post has been edited by telempath: Nov 21 2007, 12:24 AM

That has to do with morphgensis or the impact on variables shaping biological things. I should mention that I am a sophmore and that microbiology is my major in college, but let us not get into that. The molecular examples of this would be morphgens (soluable molecules that carry and diffuse signals). It has been discovered that when an electron reaches a certain state, it can not be measured. It simply vanishes from detection and that is a group of single sub atomic particles. It is not even an entire atom. A single particle is different than a human body. You can not take time and space out of the equation, either.

Here's what I hate about college education. The people getting them seem to believe it's an objective education. It isn't. In college you learn what is popular, politically acceptable, and mainstream. The stuff that's not mainstream yet but is taught in small venues anyway, is that which is deemed politically safe to teach and hopefully one day expand upon. Just because they teach it in college doesn't mean it is either true or complete.

A single particle is only different from the human body in degrees. It's a system, like the human body. An atom is a system, a molecule is a system, a cell is a system, a body is a system. One thing that you learn in the course of hermetic study and practice, is that what is within reflects what is without - and it's a philosophy that works, again, and again, and again. So i'm inclined to believe if a single particle can vanish, and two particles at great distances can affect one another - seemingly - exchanging information faster than light - then the possibility of a larger system likewise vanishing or communicating across a vast distance, is a difference of degree, not possibility.

Morphogenetic fields are defined by Sheldrake as the subset of morphic fields which influence, and are influenced by living things.

“The term [morphic fields] is more general in its meaning than morphogenetic fields, and includes other kinds of organizing fields in addition to those of morphogenesis; the organizing fields of animal and human behaviour, of social and cultural systems, and of mental activity can all be regarded as morphic fields which contain an inherent memory.” — Sheldrake, The Presence of the Past (Chapter 6, page 112)

Pardon my inappropriate use of the word, I was not referencing the morphoGENETIC field. And of course, Sheldrake only proposed a theory of the morphic field, which is what I meant, but used the wrong word. However, he was not the first to propose this idea, and it shows up in various systems of subtle biology, most notably the vedic and kabbalistic systems. You may be more scientifically minded, but I am a magician - time and space don't factor in as absolutely for me as they do for you, and the Morphic field was something I discovered on my own before I encountered it in the course of my research into metaphysics. So, I take it as granted that there is such a thing.

Of course, that isn't to say I'm not affected by time or space - of course I am. However, I moment can be stretched into a minute, hours can pass in the blink of an eye. A distance that should take two hours to traverse can take only 30 minutes, without disrupting the flow of time and space surrounding the individual and the path they take. My conclusions - consciousness is more a part of the equation, more so than time and space not being in the equation.

The rest is a miss application of the quantum field theory, the observer affect, and Heinsburg Uncertanity Principle. You left out coherence and discoherence. You left out the classical systems in place that give an object its properties. You glossed over the biological and physical paradoxes. There is no such thing that, as of yet, as locality. One thing can not be instantly transported or transmitted to another location with such factors as time affecting not it. Light can't even do that.

There is no such thing as an energy template for the body, unless you would like to argue the subtle body angle, but that has not been proven of yet and I highly doubt that it would have a physical impact. If that was the case, that a person's amputated arm should know to grow back. The cells would know where to go and rearrange themselves in such a pattern. Just sew up a person's arm and they would be good to go. The cells would follow the "template" that the subtle body provides.

And you can't use Quantum Mechanics to prove or justify "magickal" thoughts.

A: The idea of what I think is being called the 'Zero Point Field' or some such - I called it the quantum field perhaps inappropriately, that was several months ago and I'm a little better educated recently - did not originate with quantum mechanics, it was a mystical idea first - along with the majority of phenomenon in the field of physics. Scientists are not discovering things, they are defining, codifying, and explaining things, and pretending they were the first to figure it out. M theory, String theory, Quantum mechanics, all of them are particularly mystical for 'science'.

B: One might argue there is no such thing as mind-scanning, telekinesis, and various other paranormal phenomenon - what's-his-face with the Randy Foundation, million dollar challenge thing, doesn't seem to believe in them, and he's been doing more research and looking around for them than just about any independent individual in the field. Lots of others follow suit. Yet, you seem to believe in them? Because you have experienced them, yes? It's perfectly fine not to believe in anything you haven't experienced, but having a closed mind about the possibility, and more than that, purposely misinterpreting the function of such things as the subtle bodies, or the Template Body... well, there were lots of other theories considered outright crazy until they were proven. And the ones that do get proven tend to reflect far more ancient, more primitive, expressions of the same ideas. So, I would not discount the idea of a subtle aspect of our biology, or a template body, so quickly.

C: I have a layman's understanding of quantum physics, and have applied my understanding to developing energywork, magickal technique, and expansion of consciousness - it has worked for me so far. But as for this subject, I have suggested that quantum theory in any way proves or justifies anything magickal - but you've said that again and again on this forum, so I'm thinking it something you're fond of identifying and saying. All I offered was a hint, a theory in the works - that hasn't even been proven, and just because the math works doesn't prove anything - which offers one possible venue along which such a thing could be possible. Magick, when it works, works regardless of the justification, but having a researchable way to expand one's perspective on the subject ties directly into how magick works for the individual - it's about consciousness.

As far as the phasing through the astral that is another different beast. You would have to do a complete transmutation, which I don't think is possible.

You do believe in the astral, but not the template body... what do you think the astral is?

http://www.theresonanceproject.org/home.htm

I'm not suggesting this site in any way proves or suggests a means of teleportation, however, the articles there, and some of the other writings of this Nassim Haramein, do give some interesting insight into his theories, which again find reflections in ancient texts, particularly kabbalistic ones, regarding the nature of reality.


peace

You do believe in the astral, but not the template body... what do you think the astral is?

In short, the mental internet. A landscape created from the shared minds of people traversed by the consiousness of "astral traveler'". This comes from my observation of the fact that I kind project my mind outward in a type of "astral projection" without leaving my body. It is how I link to people and how I percieve objects and events away from myself. From my view in that state, there is a big void of blackness. Each person's mind is a light or star. This light or star pulses out energy in the form of emotions and thoughts that clump around them sometimes in like mini spheres. Each star on its own has its on finger print or location. When I wish to contact them, I simply project a part of my consiousness to that light and scan the energy being generated, the mini spheres, or reach into the "star" itself. This is somewhat how I am able to dream walk. The person creates a dream scape that appears to me to be like a little mini world. I simply just reach through it. I can cruise this blackness or whatever you want to call it without astral projecting in the traditional sense, but it seems to be a space created from the emanations of consiousness of the human mind. That is also partially how I am able to deep probe into a person's mind... It also allows me to get the general idea of what is going on in a location. I am getting better with the remote viewing, but generally I can pick up activity from a certain area by projecting my mind there in that fashion.

I believe that the astral body is the human consiousness fully projected away from the body shaped by self perception and that the properties that are given to it are shaped by mental ideas and self perception. To me, astral forms exist as pin points of consiousness. That is influenced by my belief in the brain and nervous system generating a field of its own which contains the "consiousness experience" (check the cemi field theory) and that the field acts upon the mind, therefore, the consiousness that is being projected is nothing more than this field expanding. I am not sure if I believe in subtle bodies. At the moment I am even iffy about the existence of a soul.