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israel
post Apr 3 2007, 04:31 AM
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Hi everybody.
I am new into this (If the word "new" exist) , something brought me to this site and to magick, in some way I was very sceptic in the "past", now I feel the real power of magick.

I don´t now if this is possible, excuse my ignorance; I want to invoke a Spirit to accomplish a scientific project that is very important to me and I think to the whole society (something related with the elimination of the petroleum necesity).

Of course I have been working a lot in this, and now I am waiting the answer of goverment and investors.

Someone knows a special ritual or the name of a spirit that can help me with financial petitions?

Thanks for the attention.

Israel Trevino

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post Apr 3 2007, 05:41 AM
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It depends on what you're exactly trying to do. Look over some of the grimoires like the Keys of Solomon, Necronomicon, etc. and go from there. You can find most of them online as PDF files, as a good many of them date from medieval times and are public domain--and therefore free.

From what you've said here you're probably going to be looking at a Spirit of the Sun for honours/dealing with superiors, perhaps Jupiter for riches, and maybe Mercury for thought/innovation, but without more specific information I can't help you. It really depends on your exact intent and how you plan on achieving your goals.

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post Apr 3 2007, 12:12 PM
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Yes the necronomicon has Namru whitch is in possesion of all scientific knowledge - so he could be of some use to you. Also there is Gilma, but i am not sure what is he good for. Check out the post on the nec section about the 50 names of Marduk. more is explained there


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israel
post Apr 4 2007, 03:16 AM
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Darkmage, Spellcaster, thanks for the response and help. Hi to everybody.

Now I am reading about Necronomicon and the Keys of Solomon; but I feel that Jupiter Spirit is the correct election in this case.
I feel that I have few time and a lot of things to read, I don´t know where to start.
Is an evokation what I need and want.

As you ask, I explain more about what I am doing:

Since I was a kid I love to make scientific experiments and businesses. For some persons help to improve the quality of life is not important, for me is like an obligation and one of my goals.
We have been working very hard in a chemical formula that replace petroleum oil, is curious that this formula it has existed for a long time, is not "new". But with the low cost it can help a lot.
I have been using auto hypnosis and the results are huge.
To make this possible in an industrial form, we need capital, and now I am waiting the response of some investors and government. I feel that some Spirits could help to motivate this persons to make the join venture.

You think that Jupiter Spirit is the correct election?
It would be nice to recieve instructions and help.

Thanks a lot.

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post Apr 4 2007, 05:03 PM
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If you're new to magick, working with one particular spirit may be the best route - Spirits of the Sun are great for success in almost any venture, but Jupiter is good as well, specifically for acquiring money.

However, if you were to evoke the spirits on their respective days and hours, over the course of a week, they can work miraculously in tandem with one another.

For instance, on sunday evoke a spirit of the sun, for success in the overall venture, at 1am, 8am, 3pm, or 10pm.

there's a good reference to the planetary days and hours here: http://www.renaissanceastrology.com/planet...ursarticle.html

Then you might follow with a spirit of mercury to augment your communcation, help these people see your point of view, etc. A spirit of venus to make them amiable to your goals (not just for love and lust, venus good for all relationships with people); a spirit of jupiter for the money aspects of your situation; a spirit of mars if you wanted to hard-nose them into it, although that's a bit volatile so early on, I'd say call on mars if you thought someone was trying to stand in the way of positive development, like for instance the oil tycoons.

They can all work together to do their parts, ruled over by the sun, which is why I suggest starting with the sun. This not only calls on various relevant forces to accomplish a goal, but turns an entire week (which I suggest personally to be the week leading up to the full moon) into an extended ritual. You might even make daily sacrifices to the spirits unless you want to be all CM about it and take the spirits to task. I find they are far more helpful and less likely to do what you want in a way you don't want it when you sacrifice and offer thanks. I know I'm more likely to accomplish a favor for someone to the best of my ability when they are appreciative rather than lordly about it.

You would instruct each spirit in it's particular task - the Sun spirit to See this endeavor through and give you success in your quest; Mercury to Clear all lines of communication and be heard by the investors; venus to make the investors sympathetic to your cause and want to help you out; jupiter to make them generous in their investment; and if you need it, mars to combat any negative forces who seek to suppress your cause. You should be sure to instruct each spirit to work in tandem with the others, rather than independantly.

If you wanted to work with the fifty names, which Personally I think is almost a bit easier than working with planetary spirits, i would work with Ziku (who can show you opportunistic moments in the negotiations, think 'where to dig', as well as being generally good for money endeavors), Zulum (who is excellent for all business ventures, and protects from those with an evil eye on your cause), possibly Gilma (to establish a permanent agreement, or you could say to build this foundation so that it will not falter in so many years), and Namru is certainly good just generally for any kind of science/research, etc.

there are suggestions for working with the fifty names here on the forums in the necronomicon section, and they also can be evoked to work in tandem, although if you were to work the system in it's entirety, you might also empower your bandar with those names, and have it carry out the necessary tasks.

There are also a host of sympathetic magickal formulas you could use, but i'm not as versed in witchcraft as spirit work.

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post Apr 4 2007, 06:14 PM
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well, if you want en external change than you preform an evokation, internal change is done by invokation. since you need capital than an evokation is needed but that is very advanced. the only advice that I can give you is this: Practice until perfect. You'll need to develop some astral senses, at least to feel the presence of a spirit. than you can try to preform an evokation. good luck with your work.


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post Apr 4 2007, 08:58 PM
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QUOTE(spellcaster @ Apr 4 2007, 08:14 PM) *
well, if you want en external change than you preform an evokation, internal change is done by invokation. since you need capital than an evokation is needed but that is very advanced. the only advice that I can give you is this: Practice until perfect. You'll need to develop some astral senses, at least to feel the presence of a spirit. than you can try to preform an evokation. good luck with your work.


A quick fix for money make the second pentacle of Jupiter. The best spirit to invoke is Ziku for money or Zulum for buisness.

I agree that Namru is good for science.

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post Apr 5 2007, 02:16 AM
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Vagrant Dreamer, Spellcaster and Edunpanna , thanks for these good directions, I read about the things you said and everything makes sense and matches.

Yesterday I made a sigil of the Jupiter Spirit, a triangle of art and prepare myself with the tools; I read that he likes the violet color and is number 4, so I create a violet atmosphere; this was my first time making an evocation, after doing the circle, an hexagram and reading a conjuration from The Book, in the precise moment I ask him to appear “someone” knock the door of my room, this was curious because I was alone in the house, I feel a lot of energy, then I ask: “who are you?” , it was my roommate and he said “I want to know what time is it” , I freak out and I didn’t know what to do next. My mate moved to another room.
I continue negotiating and talking but I am not sure if I finish the ritual in a good way. I banish at the end.

Now I am studying more about Siku and Zulum; I realized that hours and days are important and also I am finding the best way to instruct each spirit to work in tandem with the others. As you said.

I appreciate the marvelous knowledge that you have.

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post Apr 5 2007, 07:10 AM
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It is never good when someone interupts your ritual, it gets you off balance and makes you do some mistakes that you aren't aware. Try to find a time in the day when you wouldn't be disturbed. Also it is said that when working with the nec you can do it at any time of the day, so night hours aren't a must. i prefer to do an invokation, cause i feel that an internal change is the first step to external change.

Good luck with your work


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