How Long Does It Take.... Options

1. For you to do your daily rituals?

2. What rituals do you do exactly?

3. When do you practice?

At the moment it takes me a good two hours plus, often more as I've taken to doing yoga beforehand. Am now looking to practice in the morning as well as at night and adding the Lesser Invoking to my practice (got the book, thanks Nero). This will mean having to cut down on the time it takes even though I enjoy taking my time with it all.

Just wondering what most on here do and how long it takes them in practice.

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1. For you to do your daily rituals?

30 to 45 minutes depending. Not counting yoga/meditation type work.

2. What rituals do you do exactly?

grade rituals

3. When do you practice?

Early morning when I first wake up I warm up with some Chi Kung to get the blood flowing and become fully awake.
Then perform a elemental rite. Then depending on time will follow with meditation.
Nights perform MP and body of light exercises.
Weekends do the elemental equilibrium ritual.

At the moment it takes me a good two hours plus, often more as I've taken to doing yoga beforehand.

What in the world are you doing that it takes 2 hours?

What in the world are you doing that it takes 2 hours?

Not sure (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Thought I streamlined it last night and it was still two hours. Have cut down on the time it takes to astrally expand, guess its cause I feel let down, excuse the pun, if I'm not ''somewhere else'' in ritual. That and its not counting meditation at the end.

Going to have to get it down to an hour its too much really. Still haven't focused on what I'm working on exactly and am cross referencing between books.

Thanks for the reccomendation, not sure if its as good as Kraigs Modern Magic but the detail on the elemental work is brilliant.

Sometimes less is more.

Kraig's book tends to gloss over many of the preliminaries needed to advance in magick. Occultism is like anything else you have to have a very solid foundation, else you'll end up like the turtle and the hare. You could skip the preliminaries or just dabble and move on and you'll bypass someone who started at the same time you did. But... later on you'll see that same person pass by you and no matter what you do you'll never seem to catch up.

Many will disagree with me but I truly believe that a minimum of three months should be spent on each and every element before moving on to hexagram rituals or supreme pentagram rituals. That's minimum. I personally have spent about a year per element and have been well rewarded for my time. Although that would be the max amount of time I would recommend someone working with one element or planetary type of energy.

If you need help let me know.

Thanks.

I'm more the slow steady type myself. Its a matter of precaution I mean a person who glazes over rituals moving from one to the next at times dosen't have that awe, that reverance if you see my point. Quite happy practicing thought control and semi forgetting that I've been doing it for a year or two.

My idea with the elemental work was/is to practice according to season. No need to make another thread on it I guess.

It would involve having to wait until that specific season to start in order and would mean only spending 3 months approx on each but if done in a cycle from year to year it should work well as in help keep in tune with nature at the same time as working with said element.

Winter begins on 5-10 Nov, Samhain, 立冬 (lìdōng),
Spring on 2-7 Feb, Imbolc, 立春 (lìchūn),
Summer on 4-10 May, Beltane, 立夏 (lìxià), and
Autumn on 3-10 Aug, Lughnasadh, 立秋 (lìqiū).

And, the middle of each season is considered;

Mid-winter: 20-23 Dec, winter solstice, 冬至 (dōngzhì)
Mid-spring: 19-22 Mar, spring equinox, 春分 (chūnfēn)
Mid-summer: 19-23 June, summer solstice, 夏至 (xiàzhì)
Mid-autumn: 21-24 Sept, autumn equinox, 秋分 (qiūfēn)

From there a person can practice mixing them up to see if they've mastered them, invoking water in the summer for example to create reactions and attempt to change the climate. Also helps keep a bit of astronomical knowledge going. Best time would be the equinox.

Thing is I'm a bit lost as to getting the right element for each season, its probably in a book somewhere and should be obvious. Hope those are the right dates up there, anyway...

North - Winter = ?Earth?
?West? - Spring = ?Water?
South - Summer = Fire
?East? - Autum = ?Air?

A bit lost there .lol. Haven't given it much thought as of yet, would have to start invoking earth practicing all year through ?winter? (should be right) and then moving on to the element for spring... of course it wouldn't help if its advisable to stick to a guideline that dosen't correspond to the seasons... in that case I'll be spending a year with each element until I can begin practicing according to season.

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Using the seasons is a interesting choice. Your associations are correct btw, just need to swap spring and summer. You have those two backwards.

Generally the timing is dictated by the cardinal signs and the order by the YHVH formula. So we are about to be in Taurus now, so it would be perfect to begin with elemental Earth at the end of this month. Air is next but your looking at 8 to 9 months before Aquarius rolls around. Might be a bit long for you, not unheard of though. I myself spent about 9 months in elemental earth. If you wanted to go a bit sooner could wait until Libra rolls around. That might work out well if you wanted to time it with the equinox.

Using the seasons is a interesting choice. Your associations are correct btw, just need to swap spring and summer. You have those two backwards.

Generally the timing is dictated by the cardinal signs and the order by the YHVH formula. So we are about to be in Taurus now, so it would be perfect to begin with elemental Earth at the end of this month. Air is next but your looking at 8 to 9 months before Aquarius rolls around. Might be a bit long for you, not unheard of though. I myself spent about 9 months in elemental earth. If you wanted to go a bit sooner could wait until Libra rolls around. That might work out well if you wanted to time it with the equinox.

Spring and summer backwards? I don't understand.

Make it work in co-ordinance with the star signs... sounds good, but don't you think that'd be best for the supreme invoking? Wouldn't the lesser be better working with the seasons? Unless this is actually how its supposed to be done, haven't heard of it in any books I have, thought I was a being a smart alec and came upon it myself.

Going to buy this;
http://www.chopa.com/ShopSite/travel_zen_clock.html

Should help keep the time down, aiming for 1 hour 30 a night and an hour in the morning.

Just meant the associations are as follows:
North - Winter = Earth
West - Spring = Fire
South - Summer = Water
East - Autumn = Air

I would stay away from the supreme pentagram ritual for right now. Stick with the lesser invoking one and maybe add a greater invoking one once a week or so and see how that goes.

Just meant the associations are as follows:
North - Winter = Earth
West - Spring = Fire
South - Summer = Water
East - Autumn = Air

So why is the corespondance for South given as fire in the LBRP?

Even in the Adorations its related to the sun being in its highest aspect... West is water as the sun is dawning in its opposite relation to its rising.

Do you put Michael in the west? Or is this a diffrent set of respondances altogether?

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So why is the corespondance for South given as fire in the LBRP?

Even in the Adorations its related to the sun being in its highest aspect... West is water as the sun is dawning in its opposite relation to its rising.

Do you put Michael in the west? Or is this a diffrent set of respondances altogether?

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Sorry no, that was a typo. I had copied and pasted what you wrote and just switched the seasons. Fire is in the south for the terrestrial elements.

*sigh of relief*

So are they correct then?

North - Winter = Earth
West - Spring = Water
South - Summer = Fire
East - Autum = Air

Terrestial.

North = Water
West = Air
South = Earth
East = Fire

Planetary.