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Check this one out: Ritual of the Old Ones

Has anyone try this, does this sound like a good ritual? This one read like an invocation to me with no banishment and I wonder if anyone have more to add to this.

Is there not more to the page, Kinjo? Or perhaps my browser is to blame, loading only the top half of the scanned image...

Regardless--I've not looked into the Necronomicon, nor do I plan to at this point. I just thought I'd bring this possible graphic error to your attention.
I agree, though. It appears to be an invocation--or at least, an opening ceremony. But again, I know nothing of the Necronomicon or the Old Ones.

Thanks Seiko, I zipped the scan and the link should be working now.

Just a heads up. There is nothing wrong with this ritual. It is chaos magick building a system around Lovecraft's work, for more look into the book the Psudeonomicon.

BUT, whatever you do, do NOT try and mix this with the simon Necronomicon work. The lovecraft creations are not the old ones simon's book speaks of but the nec spirits (elder gods) will not tolerate anything that even remotley resembles aiding the old ones.

Kinjo,

Do you know what book that is from??

Check out New PDF thread. It's a new ebook someone contributed recently to the library.

Ritual Of The Old Ones .... read it and it sounds comfortable and familiar ...

I will try it out in the near future and let you know.,...

Iam very comfortable with Chaos Magic

I summoned Shub-Niggurath and I was the only that saw him. MY friends could not have seen him at all! All three of us had the medallions of YHE with us. He only spoke to me but not to my friends. We did everything good. The stones and altar and all. What might have happened? Man it was weird.

I summoned Shub-Niggurath

There's the key right there.

This post has been edited by DarkGoddess: May 12 2007, 01:03 PM

Greetings,

First thing, I don't know how well any advice I can give will apply to you. I and all of my fellow Necronomicon Priests here (as far as i know anyway), only work with the Elder Gods and not the Ancients.
However, summoning and invocation/evocation tend to have similar archetyple characteristics across the board, so I'll give it a shot.

To start, is this your first time calling on the Ancients? If so then it's possible that you may have some people in the group you worked with that weren't fully 'into' the energies of the entity.
With the Ancients, being they are pure destruction and chaos, they tend to be fickle about the humans they cavort with. The thing is, they despise humanity and seek nothing less than our non-existence, so it would also depend on your reason for calling one.
If you call on an Ancient with something other than the intent to 'adore' them or carry out their desires, they will be at the very least silent. They won't do anything that will benefit the human calling them, other than to grant that human power to work for them.

Next, when did you attempt the calling? Each of the Ancients have their own specific times to be called (lunar position, etc...) You may need to optimize your time of calling.
Other than that I don't know what else to offer in way of advice. I've never had any dealings with the Ancient Ones as anything but an opponent/enemy, so I know little on the matter of garnering their favor.
But basically, look at the overall procedure you used, compare it to the texts. If there were any small differences you missed, then correct them and go for it again. Also, about the folks you worked with. Speak with each of them and just get a feel for their personal energy. When working magick in a group, even one person being out of tune with the powers involved could be like throwing a wrench in an engine.
Good luck,
Nosotro Tehuti.

Greetings,

First thing, I don't know how well any advice I can give will apply to you. I and all of my fellow Necronomicon Priests here (as far as i know anyway), only work with the Elder Gods and not the Ancients.
However, summoning and invocation/evocation tend to have similar archetyple characteristics across the board, so I'll give it a shot.

To start, is this your first time calling on the Ancients? If so then it's possible that you may have some people in the group you worked with that weren't fully 'into' the energies of the entity.
With the Ancients, being they are pure destruction and chaos, they tend to be fickle about the humans they cavort with. The thing is, they despise humanity and seek nothing less than our non-existence, so it would also depend on your reason for calling one.
If you call on an Ancient with something other than the intent to 'adore' them or carry out their desires, they will be at the very least silent. They won't do anything that will benefit the human calling them, other than to grant that human power to work for them.

Next, when did you attempt the calling? Each of the Ancients have their own specific times to be called (lunar position, etc...) You may need to optimize your time of calling.
Other than that I don't know what else to offer in way of advice. I've never had any dealings with the Ancient Ones as anything but an opponent/enemy, so I know little on the matter of garnering their favor.
But basically, look at the overall procedure you used, compare it to the texts. If there were any small differences you missed, then correct them and go for it again. Also, about the folks you worked with. Speak with each of them and just get a feel for their personal energy. When working magick in a group, even one person being out of tune with the powers involved could be like throwing a wrench in an engine.
Good luck,
Nosotro Tehuti.

Thanks! Well to tell you the truth I did everything I was supposed to and I wanted to show them that it was true my magic but I guess that I was a foolish reason. I happen to work a lot more with the Elder Gods but I wanted to show my friends since I connected to Pazuzu in a way I though Shub-NIggurath would come with better ease. Guess I was wrong. BY the way the Ancient ones do not want to kill us they want two things: 1. To transform us into their kind and 2. To mate with us (yes, both males and females) because they need more new kinds. That's what I got from Shub-Niggurath, though you might want to know. Yeah these guys were for sure out of synchro. Now I see why it also might have not worked.

Now I'm intrigued. Do you think you'll contact Shub-Niggurath again? Did you do any gate walking before you attempted this? I apologize for these questions if they appear off topic but I'm curious for i believed that calling the Ancients was akin to suicide or atleast madness. But if your here then clearly I must revise my opinion and just start the whole evocation experience. I'm more of an arm chair sorcerer looks like its time i get up and start practicing.
gmcbroom

I am interested in what type of ritual you used to conjure Shub Niggurath.And Ancient Ones dont seek destruction of mankind,they seek transformation of human species.

This post has been edited by Ra Hoor Khuit: May 13 2007, 12:42 PM

2. To mate with us (yes, both males and females) because they need more new kinds.

Ewwwwwwwww (IMG:style_emoticons/default/puke.gif) Thats kinda gross. How do you mate with a shapeless form that defies the mind anyways. Both H.P. Lovecraft and the Nec make a case for countless monsters being spawned everyday on the outside. I dnt think H.P. makes much of a case for what his Ancients want. The ancients of the Nec want to destroy the universe and return it to nothingness. Nirvana! lol.

Anyways I am not sure what kind of invocations you are using. If you are truly interested in calling an ancient one I will tell you a way. Turn to pgs 188-189 of the Simonicon in the Urilla text. Here we have the brighton brothers. Humwawa of the minty clean breath and Humwawa who is always screaming because he is so happy about his rotting testicles.

See the little circles in the center of both sigils? And if Humwawa appears to the priest will not the dread Pazuzu also be there?

If you line up the sigils so that the cirle of Pazuzu is over the inner circle of Humwawa you come up with a nice merged sigil.

Borrowing a bit of knowledge from the Scorpion man lets only make this seal on the New Moon. Or better yet at night when the moon is absent from the sky. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/922.gif)

Remember how there could be no light when calling the scorpion man? Black the room out. You can use a single candle to say this invocation. Preferably black. First draw the merged sigil of Pazuzu and Humwawa in the air with your left hand. Viabrate Humwawa and Pazuzu both three times.

Now turn to pg 195 My favorite incantation of the Urilla text. Say this incntation as loud as you can. If you can scream it in a rough Gwar type voice that would be lovely. Pg 195- 197

And this is the Conjuration of the Dead God:
May NAMMTAR open my eyes that I may see . . . . . . . . .
May NAMMTAR open my ears that I may hear . . . . . . . . .
May NAMMTAR open my nose that I may sense His approach.
May NAMMTAR open my mouth that my voice will be heard to the far reaches of the
Earth.
May NAMMTAR strengthen my right hand that I shall be strong, to keep the Dead . . . . .
. . . . under my power, under my very power.
I conjure Thee, O Ancestor of the Gods!
I summon Thee, Creature of Darkness, by the Works of Darkness!
I summon Thee, Creature of Hatred, by the Words of Hatred!
I summon Thee, Creature of the Wastes, by the Rites of the Waste!
I summon Thee, Creature of Pain, by the Words of Pain!
I summon and call Thee forth, from Thy Abode in Darkness!
I evoke Thee from Thy resting-place in the bowels of the Earth!
I summon Thine eyes to behold the Brightness of my Wand, which is full of the Fire of
Life!
I conjure Thee, O Ancestors of the Gods!
I summon Thee, Creatures of Darkness, by the Works of Darkness!
I summon Thee, Creatures of Hatred, by the Works of Hatred!
I summon Thee, Creatures of the Wastes, by the Rites of the Waste!
I summon Thee, Creatures of Pain, by the Words of Pain!
By the Four Square Pillars of Earth that support the Sky,
May they stand fast against Them that desire to harm me!
I evoke Thee from Thy resting-place in the bowels of the Earth!
I summon Thee and Thine ears to hear the Word that is never spoken, except by Thy
Father, the Eldest of All Who Know Age
The Word that Binds and Commands is my Word!
IA! IA! IA! NNGI BANNA BARRA IA!
IARRUGISHGARRAGNARAB!
I conjure Thee, O Ancestors of the Gods!
I summon Thee, Creatures of Darkness, by the Works of Darkness!
I summon Thee, Creatures of Hatred, by the Works of Hatred!
I summon Thee, Creatures of the Wastes, by the Rites of the Waste!
I summon Thee, Creatures of Pain, by the Words of Pain!
I summon Thee, and call Thee forth, from Thy Abode in Darkness!
I evoke Thee from Thy resting-place in the Bowels of the Earth!
MAY THE DEAD RISE!
MAY THE DEAD RISE AND SMELL THE INCENSE!

Blow out the candle.

Humwawa is good to know the future. Pazuzu is good for dark magick. Beware of the psychological forces you are invoking.

Hope you passed Ganzir Gate.

Good luck! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/evilB.gif)

This post has been edited by Edunpanna: May 13 2007, 02:15 PM

I think there was a few invocations to the "Old Ones" in the Skoob Esoterica Version of the Necronomicon. That version was a very very heavily Lovecraft influenced book. But in that book it gives one the altar set-up sigils and invocations to connect w/ the outside ones.

Another note--I was always under the impression Shub-Niggurath was female.

Now, now Edunpanna, that wasn't nice. . .

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/witch.gif)

Now Dark Goddess Edunpanna only gave him what he asked for. That ritual could be adapted towards anything. Good luck. Hey, maybe he should write his own book and sell it he seems to have the experience with this system and others. It could make a decent grimoire with both light and dark elements in it. Ed, you know I'm right.
gmcbroom

Yeah, it's difficult to say what exactly the Ancient Ones want. Personally I tend to side with the Elder Gods, but you know, the Necronomicon was written by someone, and that someone was going to be biased towards one side or the other. Just like the Christians say Satan is the ultimate evil, while those who worship satan suggest he's a liberator and enlightener. Could be the same kind of deal.

I have very little knowledge of the ancient ones, however, in some traditions of evocation/invocation, the entity is called down into a 'seer' who is the only one who actually witnesses and converses with the entity. Your answer could be there. Typically, someone else is doing the summoning. But, if no one else was directly involved in the ritual, there you go.

Also, hard to say whether it's a blind or not, but the Nec. suggests in many places that working with the ancient ones is a good way to have the Elder Gods turn their backs on you - after all, if you don't honor your end of the covenant, why should they honor theirs?

peace

This post has been edited by Vagrant Dreamer: May 13 2007, 08:09 PM

Another note--I was always under the impression Shub-Niggurath was female.

Your impression was right since Shub Niggurath is female.On the other note,Urilia text is relatively simple to use,just tamper with the sigils and the owners will appear in one form of another,and provide details of working with them.Just abuse the Urilia text and you cant go wrong on contacting ancient ones (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

This post has been edited by Ra Hoor Khuit: May 14 2007, 02:00 AM

Now I'm intrigued. Do you think you'll contact Shub-Niggurath again? Did you do any gate walking before you attempted this? I apologize for these questions if they appear off topic but I'm curious for i believed that calling the Ancients was akin to suicide or atleast madness. But if your here then clearly I must revise my opinion and just start the whole evocation experience. I'm more of an arm chair sorcerer looks like its time i get up and start practicing.
gmcbroom

Well here I am so yes the ancient ones did not kill me yet for two reasons: 1. They like me and want me to do what I am planning of which I have instructions not to reveal from the Elder Gods themselves. 2. They cannot hurt when they want to because of other forces present that may have enough power to protect me. I do know though that both times Pazuzu and Shub-NIggurath at their summoning were present and since then they are active. Pazuzu more than Shub-Niggurath for I have summoned him first but hey that's the kinesis I am getting from the invisible forces. No, contacting Shub NIggurath is too late for the seasons have passed much so. Yes I did do gate walking but it was more of Astral projection, which I prefer to say as astral traveling. I even saw the Cold waste of Leng with help from some demon or entity that was small but had power to make all invisible with it. It is suicide or madness but it's all about control of the chaos. Here is the secret my friend: if you know how to control the chaos of the Ancient Ones, you can have more than all earth's pleasures in your own sphere of influence (place where you live and do business). Yup it would be time to start practicing for practice makes perfect my friend!

I am interested in what type of ritual you used to conjure Shub Niggurath.And Ancient Ones don't seek destruction of mankind,they seek transformation of human species.

Well I just used the normal one in the book that you're supposed with all the stones and Cardinal points. The thing that was cool is that we did it in a parc that had a small forest with a camp fire! Amazing but still disappointing that friends did not see anything because they were totally not into this stuff. Yes, you are right about that they seek to transform our human species. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mf_popeanim.gif)

Ewwwwwwwww (IMG:style_emoticons/default/puke.gif) Thats kinda gross. How do you mate with a shapeless form that defies the mind anyways. Both H.P. Lovecraft and the Nec make a case for countless monsters being spawned everyday on the outside. I dnt think H.P. makes much of a case for what his Ancients want. The ancients of the Nec want to destroy the universe and return it to nothingness. Nirvana! lol.

Anyways I am not sure what kind of invocations you are using. If you are truly interested in calling an ancient one I will tell you a way. Turn to pgs 188-189 of the Simonicon in the Urilla text. Here we have the brighton brothers. Humwawa of the minty clean breath and Humwawa who is always screaming because he is so happy about his rotting testicles.

See the little circles in the center of both sigils? And if Humwawa appears to the priest will not the dread Pazuzu also be there?

If you line up the sigils so that the cirle of Pazuzu is over the inner circle of Humwawa you come up with a nice merged sigil.

Borrowing a bit of knowledge from the Scorpion man lets only make this seal on the New Moon. Or better yet at night when the moon is absent from the sky. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/922.gif)

Remember how there could be no light when calling the scorpion man? Black the room out. You can use a single candle to say this invocation. Preferably black. First draw the merged sigil of Pazuzu and Humwawa in the air with your left hand. Viabrate Humwawa and Pazuzu both three times.

Now turn to pg 195 My favorite incantation of the Urilla text. Say this incntation as loud as you can. If you can scream it in a rough Gwar type voice that would be lovely. Pg 195- 197

And this is the Conjuration of the Dead God:
May NAMMTAR open my eyes that I may see . . . . . . . . .
May NAMMTAR open my ears that I may hear . . . . . . . . .
May NAMMTAR open my nose that I may sense His approach.
May NAMMTAR open my mouth that my voice will be heard to the far reaches of the
Earth.
May NAMMTAR strengthen my right hand that I shall be strong, to keep the Dead . . . . .
. . . . under my power, under my very power.
I conjure Thee, O Ancestor of the Gods!
I summon Thee, Creature of Darkness, by the Works of Darkness!
I summon Thee, Creature of Hatred, by the Words of Hatred!
I summon Thee, Creature of the Wastes, by the Rites of the Waste!
I summon Thee, Creature of Pain, by the Words of Pain!
I summon and call Thee forth, from Thy Abode in Darkness!
I evoke Thee from Thy resting-place in the bowels of the Earth!
I summon Thine eyes to behold the Brightness of my Wand, which is full of the Fire of
Life!
I conjure Thee, O Ancestors of the Gods!
I summon Thee, Creatures of Darkness, by the Works of Darkness!
I summon Thee, Creatures of Hatred, by the Works of Hatred!
I summon Thee, Creatures of the Wastes, by the Rites of the Waste!
I summon Thee, Creatures of Pain, by the Words of Pain!
By the Four Square Pillars of Earth that support the Sky,
May they stand fast against Them that desire to harm me!
I evoke Thee from Thy resting-place in the bowels of the Earth!
I summon Thee and Thine ears to hear the Word that is never spoken, except by Thy
Father, the Eldest of All Who Know Age
The Word that Binds and Commands is my Word!
IA! IA! IA! NNGI BANNA BARRA IA!
IARRUGISHGARRAGNARAB!
I conjure Thee, O Ancestors of the Gods!
I summon Thee, Creatures of Darkness, by the Works of Darkness!
I summon Thee, Creatures of Hatred, by the Works of Hatred!
I summon Thee, Creatures of the Wastes, by the Rites of the Waste!
I summon Thee, Creatures of Pain, by the Words of Pain!
I summon Thee, and call Thee forth, from Thy Abode in Darkness!
I evoke Thee from Thy resting-place in the Bowels of the Earth!
MAY THE DEAD RISE!
MAY THE DEAD RISE AND SMELL THE INCENSE!

Blow out the candle.

Humwawa is good to know the future. Pazuzu is good for dark magick. Beware of the psychological forces you are invoking.

Hope you passed Ganzir Gate.

Good luck! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/evilB.gif)

Are you serious? This will work? How did you even summon the scorpion man! I wanted to summon the scorpion man! I heard that he's always with this lady though that if you touch you die! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wizard.gif) My God! Will this really work? Is Dragon Blood incense ok? It migth have been too late because I think both Pazuzu Humwawa were summoned already by me. maybe this explains how I got clairvoyance and dark magic. Also explains why people have died around me! Damn all this! I am truly cursed by the Ancient Ones! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/yikes.gif)
I saw Humwawa as a tall person with a lance that would kill anything. Also a certain smell.

Are you serious? This will work? How did you even summon the scorpion man! I wanted to summon the scorpion man! I heard that he's always with this lady though that if you touch you die! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wizard.gif) My God! Will this really work? Is Dragon Blood incense ok? It migth have been too late because I think both Pazuzu Humwawa were summoned already by me. maybe this explains how I got clairvoyance and dark magic. Also explains why people have died around me! Damn all this! I am truly cursed by the Ancient Ones! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/yikes.gif)
I saw Humwawa as a tall person with a lance that would kill anything. Also a certain smell.

Considering that my brother and one of my best friends worship the Ancient Ones I am not prone to get upset over someone asking advice on how to call them. Also as a moderator I am supposed to be impartial. I may as well confess that I am quite experianced with the Urilla although I have not used it in the past few years except when I was very pissed off.

The Scorpion Man is very easy to call. I used The method of Alric Thomas <A member of this forum> From his Hidden Key Of The Necronomicon. <Alric worships the Ancient ones and is still a nice guy!>

I believe we have a scorpion man thread. If not feel free to start one. As discussing him here would be off topic.

Remember that summoning the Ancient Ones is dangerous. As they say though no balls no glory. We all have to make a choice who we are going to serve. I chose the Elders and have not been dissapointed. However I confess the Urilla is plenty fun.

Peace!

Greetings,

Edunpanna's method will work. I've used a number of rituals he's come up with and they are all like laser guided missles. Push the button and you get results.LOL

Anyway, he is correct about the Scorpion Man thread. If you scroll down the Necro forum a ways you'll find a dissertation I wrote on the matter.
Also, it's interesting that you mentioned Humwawa having a lance. I faced off with and battled him once in Ganzir and he indeed appeared to me as having a large heavy bladed lance. His appearance overall was kind of like a half human/half pig deal. Dark rust colored skin and leaden armor. The lance itself had a banner hanging from it. Pure black with his and pazuzzu's symbols intertwined in scarlet. Any other similarities?
Peace
Nosotro

QUOTE(Nosotro Tehuti @ May 14 2007, 02:08 PM)

Greetings,

Edunpanna's method will work. I've used a number of rituals he's come up with and they are all like laser guided missles. Push the button and you get results.LOL

Anyway, he is correct about the Scorpion Man thread. If you scroll down the Necro forum a ways you'll find a dissertation I wrote on the matter.
Also, it's interesting that you mentioned Humwawa having a lance. I faced off with and battled him once in Ganzir and he indeed appeared to me as having a large heavy bladed lance. His appearance overall was kind of like a half human/half pig deal. Dark rust colored skin and leaden armor. The lance itself had a banner hanging from it. Pure black with his and pazuzzu's symbols intertwined in scarlet. Any other similarities?
Peace
Nosotro


Yes, indeed when Humwawa was around he did have some sort of leaden armor like you said. No too sure about the pig stuff but the half-human is right but skin color not sure at all as I saw him as having skin color more brownish type. The lance when I saw it did not have any symbol because Pazuzu was already there. The lance was huge and was of the dark color yes but about the banner I do not know. I never really though of it as like that. I also need to know if tracing the symbol on a scroll with a black candle would be enough? I find it pretty hard to trace the whole thing in mid-air. Unless something is preventing me from having access to this then I really do not how I can trace this sigil in air.

This post has been edited by Edunpanna: May 15 2007, 11:20 PM

Greetings,

First memorize the sigil. Try drawing it. Keep drawing until you remember how to make it without looking. Now draw it in the air. It does not have to be perfect. Its all in the intent.

Regardless you could just make the sigil on paper and still get results.

Nothing is set in stone. Personally I enjoy drawing sigils in the air. However some sigils like the ones from the Armadel which I am using now would be impossible to draw in the air. Or perhaps just too much trouble.

At any rate those two sigil merged are not too hard to scribe in the air if you just start with a spiral motion from the center. Mostly thats all humwawa is. Draw some eyes on him and the pointed tail.Five little lines at the bottom. Now draw Pazuzu on top of him.

Again if its too much trouble skip it and just make a sigil. After all its not vital to the calling. It does help connect however.

Peace

This post has been edited by Edunpanna: May 15 2007, 11:21 PM

Greetings,

First memorize the sigil. Try drawing it. Keep drawing until you remember how to make it without looking. Now draw it in the air. It does not have to be perfect. Its all in the intent.

Regardless you could just make the sigil on paper and still get results.

Nothing is set in stone. Personally I enjoy drawing sigils in the air. However some sigils like the ones from the Armadel which I am using now would be impossible to draw in the air. Or perhaps just too much trouble.

At any rate those two sigil merged are not too hard to scribe in the air if you just start with a spiral motion from the center. Mostly thats all humwawa is. Draw some eyes on him and the pointed tail.Five little lines at the bottom. Now draw Pazuzu on top of him.

Again if its too much trouble skip it and just make a sigil. After all its not vital to the calling. It does help connect however.

Peace

You know I think I mind read you somehow. I think what you are trying to say is that I should draw it but then having it in front of me I should draw in the air with a lot more ease so then it would be easier. Cool, but no one has told me about the lady that you touch and die. Anyone knows about her? She supposed to be all time around Scorpion man but doe not always appear.

Alright, off topic or not, I'll just give a quick answer here.
The Lady Scorpion, being his wife, is like the main guardian of his realm. She's the test of entrance. You won't see her, hear her, nothing. But she will be sizing you up from the moment you set foot beneath the mountain, until the moment the Scorpion Man speaks to you.
She gauges your purpose, intent and mindset. If you enter with greed in your heart or mind, she strikes. If you enter with ANY fear she strikes. And when it says she 'kills instantly', that's very true. But it isn't the flesh that dies.
Peace

Alright, off topic or not, I'll just give a quick answer here.
The Lady Scorpion, being his wife, is like the main guardian of his realm. She's the test of entrance. You won't see her, hear her, nothing. But she will be sizing you up from the moment you set foot beneath the mountain, until the moment the Scorpion Man speaks to you.
She gauges your purpose, intent and mindset. If you enter with greed in your heart or mind, she strikes. If you enter with ANY fear she strikes. And when it says she 'kills instantly', that's very true. But it isn't the flesh that dies.
Peace

Ok you are freaking me out now. You telling me that she kills your soul and leaves your body as if you had a heart attack or something like that lying there soulless???? So what happens is extremely dangerous. What happens if you have the watcher with you since clearly this way too dangerous to do it alone! For sure! I think I spied on her but she is extremely vicious and I almost got caught once. I know for sure because the realm was all dark when I was there and scorpion also seemed to be doing things but I only peeked and nothing else. Not even a sound other than the last one made of pure fear and disgust but then the lady like oyu said detected me so I fled fast! I guess the whole thing was not so crazy after all.

Am going to politely ask that we get back on topic here. There are Scorpion threads in the Necro section of this forum. Please read the new rules pinned by Nero.

http://www.sacred-magick.org/index.php?showtopic=4831

Future off topic posts in this thread will be deleted.

This post has been edited by Edunpanna: May 26 2007, 12:03 PM