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Hi,
i'm new here and i have wanted to post but it takes forever to be included in the system. at any rate - i have done some invocation/evocation (i'm new still haven't worked out the difference) and this was all done about a year - yr and a half ago. i called a variety of spirits from the goetia because my visualization skills are next to nothing (i was desperate for help at the time so didn't stop to consider these shortcomings in my work) but was surprisingly successful for one so new - maybe it was the smell of a newbie that drew such success at any rate i don't feel that i would want to continue with any workings with the goetia. i am disinclined to the use of the system because i feel that slavery whether it be a spirit or another human is wrong. At any rate, my goal at the time at the evocations was not to exert control but solicit aid. in my negotians however - i know that i was lacking - but by the same token i would not take the time to ask questions here if i did not feel that such questions were warranted. Forgive me if i seem to be rambling a bit - but you must understand the circumstances from which i am posting in order to be able to answer the questions that follow. i read on here that some of you more seasoned practitioners have not had any spirits manifest themselves through the smoke of the incense that you burned - i have. possibly for the simple reason that my visualization skills are lacking - but perhaps there are other reasons that i could only fathom to guess? any ideas as to why they would choose to show themselves to an inherent newbie such as myself would be very interesting to know. the second thing is that one of the spirits that i called also manifested by voice... now he has since made his presence known - in fact more recently - but i am curious as to why he would choose to make his presence known after so long - and especially assuming that he was disinclined to give me a straight answer when i made my request. another thing that is very puzzling to me is that last night another spirit that i had called upon (but had forgotten about until last night) chose to make his presence known and now i'm not sure of his intent. have any of you encountered something similar to this? i'm sure that most of you weren't as new to this when you first started as i was - nor does it seem that you would undertake an endeaver which you don't fully understand. mine was simply an act of desperation in a private matter which has yet to be resolved - yet seems like it could swing one way or the other as far as those called upon to help me. tho i have been told that if it's been a while (like a yr) they're answer was more likely to be negative. Anyone with further information regarding this - or even willing to wage a guess would be most appreciated.
thanks
Sera

Greetings,

Welcome to Sacred Magick.

Did you hear the voice inside your head or with your ears?

Auditory is almost non existant in my view of spirit communications. Although telepathic meaasges are common.


Peace!

it was auditory - scared the daylights out of me too! i wasn't expecting to hear anything let alone hear it with my ears. He only uttered one word "speak" that was it... nothing else - no greeting - nothing. it took me a full twenty to thirty minutes to get past the "Oh my God it worked!!!" stage to get to the point that i could actually ask what i wanted. now keep in mind this was a full two to three hours after i called him... whether or not he waited for that i don't know - then i wound up proceeding to ask him in telepathy instead of out loud - so i'm not sure he got the message that time tho i do believe that via other methods i got my request acrossed... it's a matter of whether or not he chose to answer or is choosing.. i have it on good faith that he at lest got it - as when he showed up he kinda demonstrated that - but he didn't give me an answer as to a yes or no to my request. i also have it on good faith that some of the spirits i was working with had a sense of humor as they kept making funny faces at me through the incense - i mentioned before that they used it to "solidify" their presence.. my suspicion is that it was due to my lack of visualization ability.. but that's only in theory - why if they can use the smoke to give them more of a presence - they don't with the seasoned practitioners is beyond me... i would think that they would use it more with them than with someone as inexperienced as me... at any rate - your thoughts on the matter are greatly appreciated and i hope to figure out what's going on from there...

Greetings,

Welcome to Sacred Magick.

Did you hear the voice inside your head or with your ears?

Auditory is almost non existant in my view of spirit communications. Although telepathic meaasges are common.
Peace!

i read on here that some of you more seasoned practitioners have not had any spirits manifest themselves through the smoke of the incense that you burned - i have. possibly for the simple reason that my visualization skills are lacking - but perhaps there are other reasons that i could only fathom to guess? any ideas as to why they would choose to show themselves to an inherent newbie such as myself would be very interesting to know. the second thing is that one of the spirits that i called also manifested by voice... now he has since made his presence known - in fact more recently - but i am curious as to why he would choose to make his presence known after so long - and especially assuming that he was disinclined to give me a straight answer when i made my request.

I'm kind of confussed here. You keep saying you evoked 'spirits', plural, and have seen *them* manifest through smoke. So are you evoking one spirit at a time and are just describing several different experiences or did you evoke more than one spirit as in during a singal ritual you saw several different faces? Then you mentioned summoning another entity, pressumably recently and it spoke to you.

What I want to know is exactly which spirits of the Goetia you summoned. If others can read exactly which spirits you were working with they might be able to help you better.

With the given information all I can really say is it sounds like some lesser entities were toying with you and then that last recent experience the entity probably was who you meant to contact you just weren't ready for it. Its why you froze up and couldn't say anything. Whenever you summon entities make sure you have clear intentions, clear reasons as to why you want to contact them in the first place and be ready to deal with the experience as it happens.

Good luck and welcome to this site.

i evoked or attempted to evoke many spirits - mostly i called upon one at a time tho sometimes i'd call on multiple ones. i have not evoked in almost two yrs. When i saw them in the smoke - it was more than one. i don't remember all of the faces but i do remember a goose type image changing into more of a human type image.

Spirits i evoked:

Vassago, Paimon, Purson, Asmodae, Ronove, Astaroth, Beleth, Marchosias, Andromalius, Raum, Dantalion, and Seer. i evoked continuously over about a sixty day period. calling upon Asmodae most often with Marchosias, Andromalius, Raum pretty close as well. the others i called upon at different times.

my modus of operandi pretty much went something like this:

for the first month to month and a half i would create my circle (omitting much of the ritual since i had no clue how to do it) and mostly just reading the words out of a book and doing my best to concentrate on who i was attempting to call and why. After failing at that miserably and not knowing what else to do - i decided that having memorized the words by this time i would create my own "ritual" or way of calling them. this seemed to work much better. i'd lie down on my bed and basically meditate saying the words in my mind and then waiting to see if anything happened. 98% of the time nothing did - then there were a few occasions of objects moving, the faces i mentioned in the smoke, or the voice. More specifically i believe that the ones who answered were Asmodae and Marchosias for sure and my best guess would be Andromalius possibly... and i think Paimon also responded.

As far as any of them actually sticking around for my request - i'm not sure. i know that i was NOT ready for them to actually respond. i had it in my head that due to my "inadequacy" in the whole ritual that my actual success would be highly unlikely if not improbable. hopefully this gives a bit more insite and can help those who read this answer my questions.

thanks for responding
sera