How Were You Born?, Is psychic development affected by the manner of birth? Options

So, recently I was talking to some friends of mine about how we were born. That is, for instance, I was a c-section baby, I didn't pass through the vaginal canal to be born.

Well, we started talking about the ordeal of birth, how at the moment of birth the mother is in pain, the baby is in pain, and how this process is part of the first formative experience a human being has, and has been since the beginning of time - although c-sections have been done for thousands of years in some civilizations, we now know.

The mother literally travels to the brink of death, and to us this seemed like in a way she becomes a sort of living gate between the two worlds, opening the passage through which the soul of the newborn can pass. Well, that's a bit of sophistry but I thought it was an incredible thought, and for myself, I saw my little sister give birth to her baby, and though traumatizing, it was perhaps one of the top five most enlightening experiences I've been privy to.

But the conversation carried on, and we started discussing what kind of children we were, our experiences growing up, how we matured psychically, etc.

So I thought i'd put it to the discussion board here - how were you born? Naturally, water birth, c-section, etc. - I'm not sure how many different ways there are. But there are lots of traditions around birth, from who should be there, to the environment. The scientologists for instance have that hole natural silent birth - no pain killers, but no sound.

Some of my friends thought that the process of being born, and all the pain that entails, is necessary for a person to be born with a stable psyche, and to 'kickstart' the karma of this life. I wonder...

I was born C-section, like I said, and I have had psychic experiences since I was a child. I was never very irritable or unruly until after my abusive father left and I took on his role, so we chalked up my teenage anger issues to patterns learned from him. But as far back as I can remember I've had spiritual interests, I started exploring the occult when I was 12 years old, and have always had a strange sort of way of dealing with emotional and physical pain, not exactly shutting down, but more of a sense of disconnection from it - like it wasn't happening to me, but to some small part of me. You could say I have never really 'owned' my pain.

As it happened I was the only one in my group of friends who was a c-section baby, but none of the others I was talking with had a similar experience pattern to relate. It made me wonder if the initial pain of birth is something that connects us in a primal way to that experience. It's hard to compare, since it's difficult to experience pain from someone else's point of view - who knows how connected we are, or if my connection to pain is even different.

In any case, what are your thoughts - especially women on the board who have children - about the effects of various kinds of birth processes on the development of the individual? Especially in a psychic/metaphysical sense, but also in general.

peace

Hmmm.......
I was a seven-month premature baby and lived my first month in an incubator. It was in vogue to not breast feed your baby and I weighed in at 3 lbs! Their modus operendi was to use silver nitrate in the eyes of preemies. They found later that it blinded most of us (I'm the only sibling to wear glasses in my family) *sigh* shoulda, coulda, woulda...
I've been blessed in the psychic dept. with precog and telekinetic manifestations. I had horrendous nightmares as a youth...night terrors is perhaps more apt. I started on oxygen and now, I'm finishing on oxygen. LOL! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Head first: Forceps. I think that pretty much says it all.

I gave birth with C-section and I don’t know, yet, what influence it may have on my child’s development, from general or psychic point of view, as he is too small still to show. I have noticed, in one occasion, that he reacted with a sudden angry cry, when I let my mind to wonder to angry thoughts (concerning something at work), while he was sleeping peacefully in my arms. My mother, who is watching over him when I am at work, also has noticed something similar. But this is probably due to natural babies’ sensitivity. I have no previous experience with babies in order to compare and I hadn’t connected c-section with psychic ability, but in any case I certainly will continue to observe my son carefully, concerning it.

Concerning consequences to the child, I would like to say that I believe the environment (where the woman is, while giving birth), has maybe more consequences on the child’s development than the way of birth. I think that our society has ended up treating birth as some kind of disease, even when everything is developing normally. I mean, in my case from the beginning I wanted to give birth at home, but as my pregnancy developed, this became out of the question, as we knew that I will have a difficult birth process (as it proved to be). But I can’t really understand why go to the hospital to give birth, in cases when everything is developing naturally (and of course when hospital is accessible in a reasonable time, if needed). Women did it from the beginning of time; it is a process for which our bodies are developed.

All those 11 hours that I spend in the hospital with contractions, before it was decided that the c-section will be applied, I couldn’t not to think that I am feeling like an object subjected to a standard procedure, without any saying about what was going on and having the annoying feeling that most of it, wasn’t really necessary, or for my own good, but simply designed to suit the functioning of the hospital. I was feeling helpless, insecure, confused and angry in the sterile, cold hospital environment. And I wonder if the reason that my son is a very aggressive baby, is because of those feelings that I had during the birth process.

Greetings,

I was a premature (3 months) C-section baby. I spent most of my time in an incubator, then the hospital.

Hope this helps,
Cheery-Bye

c-section birth, my twin brother came feet first and his head was swollen too large to get us out...so they pulled us out, him a minute before me. he didnt want to go, but i wasnt about to abort and i kicked him into the world. (the weird thing is...we both remember it...he shocked me by telling me about it once, because i had the exact same memory! As far as patterns go...hehe, ive always been the initiater (even if he didnt like it!) anyhow, we share thoughts often. it makes sense that we came into the world together...that we think and share, and that time and time again...we fall into the same roles...he's the "id rather not." sort, im the "lets go getum!" type. as for pyschic abilities? i seem to be more influenced by that then he is.

My mother has never had a c-section. Apperantly when I came out I was really ready and didn't wait for nothing. I was born in a pick up truck on the way to the hospital without much fuse. My mom told me I didn't even cry. This was in June under a first quarter moon in 1984 during the dead of night (just before 3 am) my mom claims I'm an "indigo" child (I don't buy it). As to what affect my birth had on my developement I'm not certain. I think the doctor circumcising me without my consent was more traumatic (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blush2.gif). I think my development in the womb probably had more influence. I was a planned child my full name even the time period my mother wanted me born were all pre-set and actually pretty much dead on (so far that she even wanted me born during the night, magickal reasons I guess). My mom is also a drug addict who drank, smoked tons of pot and crank in her younger years. She swares she never smoked crank with any of her kids in her womb but she did drink occassionally and smoked weed as well.

I came 2 weeks late... I did NOT want to leave.

My birth was natural... 20!!!
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Your birth was a natural 20. All stats have a +5 bonus.

Good morning everyone (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I was born naturally, but five weeks LATER than I should have been. My original due date was Oct. 24th-Nov. 1st, I popped out on Dec. 1st. Nowadays they'd probably induce labour but thirty years ago they didn't know. Since I weighed in at 9.5 lbs I did most of my growing in the womb--and I think I'd find it amusing if they had induced and my lungs hadn't fully formed yet. But still...

Ironically my sidereal chart matches my personality far more than my 'standard' (tropical) one does, so...other than that psychic ability seems to run in the family along with sociopathic tendencies, mental illness, narcissism, autoimmune diseases, asthma, and generally being a self-righteous ass who doesn't listen. I don't care for my family much, at least the few members I know, and the ones I don't know I'm not missing out on a damned thing IMHO.

*shrug*

As for kids of my own, not gonna happen. I HATE children, always have, and my life is a child-free zone. If other people want to have them or if they already have them, fine, but keep them the hell away from me.

Heh I was born 1 minute before midnight, C-section and I was pretty much late XD my mom was supposed to have me much erlier in the day but didnt, well anyway another thing is I have been fighting since the womb, before me my mom lost a baby girl, and during my 9month in the womb while my brother had a natural birth i believe and had no conflits within it (hes about 10 years older than me) for me it was a different story, in my moms womb there was this big meat thing dont know what its called but it grows inside the womb, well my entire time in the womb I had to fight this...thing so that it wouldnt kill me, and the reason my mom had to have a C-section was because I was right side up inside her, as in my head was not where it should be and my feet where there instead (I believe i took that position to survive the thing insider her) in the end i was born healthy and much bigger than what my brother was hen he was born ^^. And for me my entire life I have been drawn to the paranormal/supernatural world, and my mom says that when I was little i used to tell her of things that I saw (like floating objects/ spirits ect).

Oh btw the meat thing is not a normal occurence, happens to some women but not general population.
On portuguese is called Minhoma or something like that

This post has been edited by The_B: Jun 25 2007, 03:32 PM

I was born on Friday the 13th at exactly 13:13. Does that count for anything? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/evil.gif)

C-section. Boy there seems to be a lot of C-sectioners here.

I was born a month early but was still a very large baby at birth (24 inches long and 10 pounds). I was born partly vaginally first before my trunk got hung up on my mother's womb and started to take my mother's organs with me. I don't know which of us wanted me to stay. Anyway, the pain moniters registering for my mother and me were at incredibly high spikes, one of the highest that the doctors had ever seen. After a time, however, both of our vitals started to fade due to the pain and they had to get me out fast or lose us both. Thus they pushed me back in and performed a spinal tap on my mother, followed by the Cescarian.

These unusual circumstances in my birth screwed with my Sun Ascendant somewhat, it appearing in Scorpio first, then Sagattarius later, leaving me with qualities from both. I don't know if this is good or bad, since all signs have strengths and weaknesses.

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Psychic developement? I don't know if gestation or birth has any profound effects on psychic developement, but I've been having prophetic dreams since I was 6 years old. I remember the first one too. I drempt that one of my parents would leave who I would never see again. 3 years later, my parents got a divorce and I haven't seen my step-father since.

When I was 7, I started having demonic dreams. Dark entities would plague me in my sleep and attack me, but I would fight back. Now pondering this, I think I should start a new thread describing these dreams.

I was born 3 days late I think I was born with the drugs.. i'm not sure if my mom got drugs or not.. She said her uterus is tilted or something so she couldn't feel the birth :shrug: Anyway I am an indigo child I have been able to see spirits since I was little but I didn't really start paying attention till I was 13. I've had alot of horrible nightmares as a child they would actually make me wake up screaming and crying sometimes. I'm supposed to have all these amazing powers because i'm indigo but all I have is semi clairvoyant which gets extremely annoying with a bad memory. There were alot of demonic dreams which continued for a long time and are just finally starting to slow down.

I think i'm indigo because of my genetics i'm the odd one out which makes a whole lotta sense to me.. Every so often in my mom's side of the family there is a gene that a blonde or red head comes up. I happened to be blonde (which is ironic because I hate being blonde) while my whole immediate family has brown hair. I think that is why I am so different from my family I've never felt like I belong here and i'm told i'm alot like my uncle who was the red hed in that generation. So it wouldn't surprise me if he has gifts as well.


Now the only other person who has an interest in paranormal that I know of is my sister ( shes into wigi board and spell books ) She doesn't have the slightest clue about the spirit world though. She brough spirits into the house with the wigi board *sigh. I think if I was brought up in a house with believers i'd be a completely different person. It took me a long time to figure out I had gifts because of my non believing family but I have seen alot of strange things all paranormal and I wouldn't change it for the world (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Many of us here have special talents and gifts that we pay attention to, whether early in life or later. After all, this entire forum is composed of practicing magicians. But that doesn't mean that any of us are indigo children. The term "indigo child" is a New Age term with typical New Age vagueness and unverified claims. Example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigo_children

I've always been a loner type, confident, and have an extreme affinity for astral perceptions, but I don't claim to be an indigo child. Besides, New Agers tend to be disliked around here because they water down the magick, exaggerate claims, and are armchair theorists who never test their assumptions. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/diablo.gif)

Oh, and as for your hair color, don't you know that blondes have more fun? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/banana.gif)

You've got some gifts. Welcome to magick. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lightning.gif)

Many of us here have special talents and gifts that we pay attention to, whether early in life or later. After all, this entire forum is composed of practicing magicians. But that doesn't mean that any of us are indigo children. The term "indigo child" is a New Age term with typical New Age vagueness and unverified claims. Example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigo_children

I've always been a loner type, confident, and have an extreme affinity for astral perceptions, but I don't claim to be an indigo child. Besides, New Agers tend to be disliked around here because they water down the magick, exaggerate claims, and are armchair theorists who never test their assumptions.

Oh, and as for your hair color, don't you know that blondes have more fun?

You've got some gifts. Welcome to magick.

No no I know that. I know for a fact I am an indigo child and we have so much "hype" to our abilities it makes me feel obligated to know magick even though I know that I don't have to. You are right about the new agers that is 100% true. Hah that is a load of **** (IMG:style_emoticons/default/13.gif) At least from my blonde experiences.

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:nod: Thanks (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

C-section (I was a breech baby.)


I had to wear a cast on my leg at one point! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/head_hurts_kr.gif)

Besides, New Agers tend to be disliked around here because they water down the magick, exaggerate claims, and are armchair theorists who never test their assumptions. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/diablo.gif)

That's not true - there are plenty of all types that aren't well received around here, it's not about being a new ager or not. Let's not generalize please, and let's not speak for the entire SM community. Everyone gets a fair deal when they arrive, and we don't want anyone to think that they won't be taken seriously because their beliefs may or may not be rooted in whatever traditional dogma.

Back to the matter at hand...

It does seem like there are a lot of C-sections doesn't it? I don't know that it constitutes a significant statistic, but it always seemed to me that the pain of natural birth (drugs or not?) connects one in a visceral way to the world, the human condition, etc... one of the thoughts that crossed my mind some time ago was the idea that perhaps if one were slightly less connected to that, then a broader context might develop naturally, a slightly alien (not as in ET) nature conducive to deeper interest/talent with the unseen/occult world.

Keep 'em coming, I'm interested to see a larger collection of statistics.

peace

No no I know that. I know for a fact I am an indigo child and we have so much "hype" to our abilities it makes me feel obligated to know magick even though I know that I don't have to.

I think we should take this to PM's so as not to jump topic. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/offtopic.gif)

That's not true - there are plenty of all types that aren't well received around here, it's not about being a new ager or not. Let's not generalize please, and let's not speak for the entire SM community. Everyone gets a fair deal when they arrive, and we don't want anyone to think that they won't be taken seriously because their beliefs may or may not be rooted in whatever traditional dogma.

I wasn't saying that New Agers are the only type of people disliked around here. People who support Bush are also hated too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/diablo.gif) Just kidding! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/angel.gif) We just love 'em to bits! May they roast in hell...

Back to the matter at hand...

It does seem like there are a lot of C-sections doesn't it? I don't know that it constitutes a significant statistic, but it always seemed to me that the pain of natural birth (drugs or not?) connects one in a visceral way to the world, the human condition, etc... one of the thoughts that crossed my mind some time ago was the idea that perhaps if one were slightly less connected to that, then a broader context might develop naturally, a slightly alien (not as in ET) nature conducive to deeper interest/talent with the unseen/occult world.

Well I was a C-sectioner that went through a lot of pain, so much it nearly killed me. Considering that most of us here are practicing magicians and how different the times of birth and the differences in pain levels at birth were, I doubt pain or time of birth has anything to do with it. C-section seems noteworthy, however, since it is a commonality here.

just thought i'd throw my stat in here...

i was conceived naturally however the umbilical cord was wrapped around my neck and they had a hard time getting me out. my heart stopped beating three times due to the suffocation but they eventually managed and i've been blessed wtih a relatively healthy life since.

on the psychic level, as a young child i remember lots of dreams about 'aliens' (not necessarily space-men) taking me away from my parents and i was very afraid of them. i have very faint memories of seeing my mums aura in those earlier years, and in my early teens i started experiencing regular spontaneous astral travel when falling asleep which was really the instigator for my spiritual interests.

kind of the other end of the scale from a c-section, but i've often wondered about the influence this birth experience may have had on me, especially considering the effects near death experience can have on adults.

cheers,
cosmic inferno

This post has been edited by CosmicInferno: Sep 12 2007, 08:12 AM

HA - Talk about being a loner...

I GAVE BIRTH TO MYSELF !!!!!


My mother was at the doctors for a check up, as I was expected any day.
In the womb, I swallowed some of the fluid...
So I forced my way out!
Then spent a day or two recovering (it was hard work).

i was born the normal way and it was at the day i was expected , but they took me into the next room not sure why, and suddenly my mother said to the nurse,, my son is not breathing and she was looking weirdly at my mother and my mom yelled he is not breathing go check him! and they did and found out i had swallowed insanely much foster water and was drowning in it,
my mother is exstremely sensitive and had she not sensed my life run out i would not be here today,,
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