Psi Energy... Does It Exist? Options

Does psi energy act as an independent particle or energy on its own? Well, let us cover the basics first. The current picture of physics is Modern Physics. It pretty much says that energy and matter are actually the same stuff. There is no evidence to support a universal, cosmic medium. Light was found to be composed of photons. The fields are composed of of discrete particles called quanta. Gravity is now regarded in terms of the curvature of a space instead of a force field.

Matter is composed of molecules. Molecules composed of atoms. Atoms composed of nuceli and electrons. Nuceli are composed of protons and neutrons. Protons and neutrons are composed of things called quarks. You have three different types of quarks and leptons. U, D, and E. A proton equals uud. A neutron equals udd.

Quantum Mechanics provides a basis for for a mind matter connection. This comes from the fact that the act of observation interferes with what is being observed. This is the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. This leads to the theory of reality being controlled by consciousness. The mind and consciousness are not independent of matter. All that being said, there has been no evidence of a separate particle called "psi"

There are normally two main views on "psi" energy, One is that it is energy that is ambient in "nature" itself and that the consciousness interacts with this energy or particle and thats what causes the things that happen. Well, what is the medium. Under that premise, the mind is capable of affecting things on its own, without the use psi. If that was the case, why not cut out the middle man, altogether. Another view is that "psi" energy is a separate energy on its own that the body creates. Still, there has been no evidence to support this. The Action Potential that fires within the neurons of the brain is created through the charges from the sodium and potassium pumps within the neuron. The entire brain and nervous system is created from a network of these neurons generating electric impulses that release neurotransmitters. This, in itself, creates an EM field around the brain, which has been shown to be able to influence the firing of certain neurons. So it is more than likely that the "psi" people refer to could be the left overs or the field from natural processes of the nervous system and the brain. Not only that, the mind can act on microscopic systems on its own. The only problem is when does something cross over from the microscopic world onto the macroscopic. The consciousness has been shown to play apart in the collapsing of waves.

If now we introduce a device that will amplify the microstate a to produce some state A of the macroworld, and amplify microstate b to produce a state B that is macroscopically different from A, then this same device will amplify the superposition of a and b to produce a corresponding superposition of the macroscopically distinct states A and B. Moreover, if we continue to interpret the concept of superposition at the macrolevel in the same way that we do at the microlevel, we are apparently forced to conclude that the relevant part of the macroscopic world does not realize a definite macroscopic state until it is observed! In other words the cat can be both dead and alive at the same time before we look at it.

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/print/856


What are your thoughts on this?

This post has been edited by telempath: Nov 16 2007, 07:22 PM

Psi:
A term used to demarcate processes or causation associated with cognitive or physiological activity that fall outside of conventional scientific boundaries.

I'd say there's bucket loads of different energies and mechanisms that would fall into Psi categorization, simply because our current sciences have difficulty recognizing anything that's not reproducible in a lab. Lab rats are capable of choosing a correct destination in their maze that was double-blind picked after they'd traveled it, so it's definitely not just limited to humans.

The main problem with trying to figure out the world is that we're an integral part of it. It's impossible to remove ourselves from the picture when studying something, for there'd be no one to do the studying. Thus, even the results of an impartial machine could be tampered with, by simply viewing the information it had collected.

This post has been edited by SeekerVI: Nov 16 2007, 09:41 PM

Hmmm, ultimately I think it is energy on levels we do not yet know about. Gravity is still fleeting, just in the last few years with M-theory, it has been totally reanalyzed.

However is there a “psi” energy? No I do not believe so. I believe we ourselves are made up of many different types of energy and with the right focus we tap into energy that allows us to do particular endeavors.

What I am saying is there is no one “PSI” energy type but a collection of energy types that are part of us and we can use to manipulate for a goal. I am positive that over time these energies will be able to be measured.

Quantum mechanics has trouble once it goes into the study of complex systems (too many variables that can not be accounted for yet).
It is likely going to take a new system, a new cosmology or whatever one wants to call it, in order to study complex system interaction.
We are far from it currently, but that does not mean that in a few years there will not be any major breakthroughs. But like DNA and the genome project, it will take years before it is applicable to the world we live in.


One issue I have is my experience does not coincide with my intellectual outlook on the subject. With no theory of time travel or future to past communication, premonition should not be possible. Yet, I have lived it on freaky multi-hour levels even after recounting to another that I was in the midst of it and a few events I knew where going to happen and we would observe in the next few hours.

I did not take an active approach to changing anything, I kind of wish I did, and I am kind of glad I did not, as it confirmed the incredible to me.

I do not believe we are just complex bio-chemical-electrical robots that our existence ends when our body ceases to exist.

So I guess my answer to the question is, there is no “PSI” energy, just energies that we learn to engage that are already around. And I am willing to be absolutely wrong.

lol, as a member of the XXXX, i will tell you to study physics, and not just read it on wikipedia.

energy is everything around you, i believe than even the micro can be macro as explained by the higgs field, or even 1+1 = 0 an example of that would be light, which you concept about it, its just not complete,
nobody know what we are talking about, theories, theories and theories which will never be proved, i would recommend you to travel to higher planes or just take particle physics as your major in order to understand such perception. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blablabla.gif)

good luck (IMG:style_emoticons/default/evil.gif)

lol, as a member of the XXXX, i will tell you to study physics, and not just read it on wikipedia.

energy is everything around you, i believe than even the micro can be macro as explained by the higgs field, or even 1+1 = 0 an example of that would be light, which you concept about it, its just not complete,
nobody know what we are talking about, theories, theories and theories which will never be proved, i would recommend you to travel to higher planes or just take particle physics as your major in order to understand such perception. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blablabla.gif)

good luck (IMG:style_emoticons/default/evil.gif)

That makes no sense. The information that I posted above did not come from wiki. I can post the site. Anyways, you are getting two different fields messed up. The whole perception is your reality thing ties into cognitive psychology. It is the interpretation of sensations from sensory mechanisms that are used to create a virtual model of the world. This is a person's reality that arose from a perception of actual reality, however, it does not affect reality in itself. Take the psychotic person. Their perception is that everyone is a raving demon and they have the ability to fly. They climb on top of a building and jump off of it. In their reality, they could fly but that did not negate the fact that gravity came into play and they landed splat on the concrete.

In addition to that, you are counting microscopic systems and macroscopic systems as the same thing. One of the biggest paradox when studying microscopic systems in the terms of particles is when does it become an actual state with its own classical description instead of a mixture of states. In other words, if reality is made up of particles that can go either way, then when does reality become definite. According to a thought experiment called Schrödinger wrote, that has been revamped and interpreted in various ways, a cat in a box can exist in two separate states (dead or alive) until it is observed, but its quantum state is also entangled with that of the enviorment and is the cat the oberver of its own existence or the person and at what point does it start becoming a classical system.

In some cases in the microscopic world things are reversible, however, as you climb up on the ladder of reality, you find that not be to the case.

The particle physics (weak) arrow of time

Certain subatomic interactions involving the weak nuclear force violate the conservation of both parity and charge conjugation, but only very rarely. An example is the kaon decay . According to the CPT Theorem, this means they should also be time irreversible, and so establish an arrow of time. Such processes should be responsible for matter creation in the early universe.

This arrow is not linked to any other arrow by any proposed mechanism, and if it would have pointed to the opposite time direction, the only difference would have been that our universe would be made of anti-matter rather than from matter. More accurately, the definitions of matter and anti-matter would just be reversed.

That the combination of parity and charge conjugation is broken so rarely means that this arrow only "barely" points in one direction, setting it apart from the other arrows whose direction is much more obvious.

The quantum arrow of time

According to the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics, quantum evolution is governed by the Schrödinger equation, which is time-symmetric, and by wave function collapse, which is time irreversible. As the mechanism of wave function collapse is philosophically obscure, it is not completely clear how this arrow links to the others. While at the microscopic level, collapse seems to show no favor to increasing or decreasing entropy, some believe there is a bias which shows up on macroscopic scales as the thermodynamic arrow. According to the modern physical view of wave function collapse, the theory of quantum decoherence, the quantum arrow of time is a consequence of the thermodynamic arrow of time (also see Entropy (arrow of time)).

In addition to that, such things as the consciousnesses role in collapsing reality seems to have an influence on microscopic systems and there is a debate on whether or not the affects are negligible when applied to macroscopic world. I believe, from my experience with my own abilities of psychokinesis and my studies, that it is a combination of consciousness influencing small bits of matter and the energy used being the left overs from the sodium ion and potassium pumps in the nerves. I believe that the energy is the same energy that is used neurological and nervous functions.

Unlike you, I do not like to brag. Let us just say that my field of study is science and I have been in college longer than you profess, I find it highly unlikely. In addition to that, I was born a psi, so I have been at this a looooooooooooooooooong time.

The only relation the "Higg's Field" has to light is its speed. That field only explains how particles gain mass. It has not even been proven to exist definitely. For those out of the loop:

n the mathematics of quantum mechanics describing creation and annihilation of elementary particles, as observed at accelerators, particles at particular points arise from "fields" spread over space and time. Higgs found that parameters in the equations for the field associated with the particle H can be chosen in such a way that the lowest energy state of that field (empty space) is one with the field not zero. It is surprising that the field is not zero in empty space, but the result, not an obvious one, is: all particles that can interact with H gain mass from the interaction.

Thus mathematics links the existence of H to a contribution to the mass of all particles with which H interacts. A picture that corresponds to the mathematics is of the lowest energy state, "empty" space, having a crown of H particles with no energy of their own. Other particles get their masses by interacting with this collection of zero-energy H particles. The mass (or inertia or resistance to change in motion) of a particle comes from its being "grabbed at" by Higgs particles when we try and move it.

If particles do get their masses from interacting with the empty space Higgs field, then the Higgs particle must exist; but we can't be certain without finding the Higgs. We have other hints about the Higgs; for example, if it exists, it plays a role in "unifying" different forces. However, we believe that nature could contrive to get the results that would flow from the Higgs in other ways. In fact, proving the Higgs particle does not exist would be scientifically every bit as valuable as proving it does.

This post has been edited by telempath: Nov 17 2007, 08:58 PM