Concerted Efforts, Save the Amazon Options

Greetings!

Please forgive this semi-altruistic flash in the pan idea...? Alright all you magicians...a challenge! Due to political and monetary greed the go-ahead to completely deforest the Amazon rainforest is in full swing. This must stop! Countless species are being destroyed and decimated in an allout rape of this beautiful 'entity'. Cannot we do some small part in fighting this travesty? I'm urging all you who traffic with elementals and devas to work toward forming a resistance to this horrifying slaughter! Chaos mages, create servitors of protection or conjure the living forces of the planet to rise up and stop this senseless operation of greed! Mages, witches, druids commune with the planet and those entities you know to work towards stopping this horror by dream, inspired thought, elemental rebuff....whatever! This Granddame of Forests is near Death. Is this not a just cause? I'm very emotional right now so I am not thinking too clearly. Does anyone have any cogent thoughts or ideas? Please share! In the Name of the Forest and the Land and the Air we breathe, we need your help and/or ideas to help save this collective from mechanized DEATH!

Whew! I apologize for my rant...I look forward to any input that is forthcoming...even if it is contrary to my cause! Thank you! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/help.gif)

I must say i agree whit this. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clapping.gif)
I was thinking of placing a very similar post.
this affects everyone not just the jungle forest. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif)

to quote the sweish technometal band PAIN.

3. Close My Eyes

Can't see faith through the tears
of my swollen eyes
I try to dry
I pretend it's not as bad as it seems... what a lie

how can we be so blind
every time a child dies
people are starving
rain forests are falling
the bombs are dropping from the sky

I don't know why - it sticks in my head
I close my eyes - and it hurts me so bad
I don't know why - it sticks in my head
I close my eyes - I close my eyes

I close my eyes

I look away from this misery
and I hope the problem will disappear

but it still hurts me everytime a child dies
it's like a knife you stab in my heart
and twist it, twist it, twist it around

I don't know why - it sticks in my head
I close my eyes - and it hurts me so bad
I don't know why - it sticks in my head
I close my eyes - I close my eyes

This post has been edited by jlx: Jan 19 2008, 06:14 AM

i do completely agree with this.

for those who dont have much info, do let us know what is happening to the amazon and what have the authorities decided which makes it a political greed on depleting the amazon to death...



and i guess if we have 100 members calling a higher entity each and asking to do smthing about it, there surely will be a result out of that.



I am ok for that. Do give much info as you can. I could work with Nec names and Hindu deities for that.



mystick

This post has been edited by mystick: Jan 20 2008, 02:36 AM

What about a group egregore? I imagine that it's something that most of those interested here could work with - not everyone is conversant with animistic elements of the world, devas, spirits, etc - and for that matter, it could be spread around.

Anyone familiar with fotamecus? A time servitor that became quite powerful - I use him on occasion if the need arises. He helps the magician manipulate time.

I was thinking something of a combination - such larger servitors tend to be capable of running more than one command line. Or, for that matter, a governing servitor and subordinates.

I was brainstorming on this a bit earlier today, and though that there are several issues at work here, and several angles - but firing magic away at each of them separately seems a bit haphazard if we're talking about uniting in an effort to cause a change.

What I came up with in brief was this: One Egregore, who's purpose is to coordinate the will of the involved parties with the actions of a number of subordinate entities. One subordinate for instance could be tasked with drawing the attention of the general populace to this transgression. Another could be tasked with carrying energy to the devas of the amazon; another to create delays and general mischief with the parties impinging on the jungle. As long as the governing entity's only task is to coordinate the subordinates, and each servitor maintains only it's primary function, there are no crossed wires. It's a system I use to assist me with my education, and while I contemplated this issue, it occurred that for such a mass endeavor, it could help focus the will of the involved magicians towards one effort, while still utilizing that power effectively on multiple fronts.

A group project like that would require a core ritual for contacting and empowering the egregore - "core" as in, fitted into each magician's personal paradigm, while still maintaining the essential elements tied to the specific entity in question. Fotamecus works on a similar principle - there is a core ritual 'keyed' to that specific entity, but the ritual can be carried out in virtually any paradigm. The servitors would be constructed separately but in conjunction with the governing entity, and would be included in the ritual as peripheral elements. I have my own paradigm of sigilization and entity creation which is fitted towards the end of linking multiple sigils or servitors. In this instance I think a servitor sigil would be best, as opposed to a physical base like a figurine or crystal, unless such figurines could be mass produced. A 'green man' type figure with a number of subordinate sprites dancing around him or some such. But, time is a factor, they will not wait long to cut a swath through the jungle. In fact, I think they are not waiting at all.

Let's here some thoughts, I am already working out the sigils themselves just in case this takes as a good approach.

I was thinking the egregore itself would be exposed as a sigil only to those parties actually helping the work. The other involved with drawing attention to the issue could be placed in public places. There could even be a subordinate with the purpose of gathering energy on a regular basis (I don't like working this into another function, as it can cross wires).

peace

edit: Another approach that just occurred to me is an egregore tasked with coordinating the efforts of multiple magicians. Possible more simple, and thus focused, and also requiring nothing more of individual practitioners than to have the sigil present during your own work. The egregore handles the energies. While the theory is sound according to converging experiences on the matter, my concern is that under so much pressure from what ultimately amounts to many different kinds of energies in varying qualities and quantities, that the egregore could just be washed away. But, I think that the counter to that is still for a core empowerment ritual to fortify the entity - simply performed prior to the work specifically towards the preservation of the Amazon.

As a side note, is anyone aware of the names of spirits governing that region of the earth? From any tradition? (they tend to represent the same conceptual energy when you analyze them, when there are multiple names)

This post has been edited by Vagrant Dreamer: Jan 20 2008, 12:29 AM

Yo Vagrant, the idea of creating an organisation of entities for this seems to be well feasible instead of every one trying haphazdly towards contributing pieces of will and energy for that.
Having specific egregores focus in specific parts like
1. water supply to the forest
2. fire control
3. entities to cause hindrance to the cutting of the trees
4. entities to open the eyes of key people who could stop the killing of the forest
5. those who would make those trees that were harmed or just started growing to reach maturity quick

we could do as you say, create or 'awaken' and entity to monitor the whole of the tasks. Each and everyone working for this project would have at some time send it energy. There there could be subordinates of that entity each responsible for the above mentioned tasks and each of them in turn having entities to work for them...
Each member joinin this project could then create an egregore which he/she would send energy more frequently than the main one. suppose we have 3 levels of egregores..
level 1 the governing one.
level 2 the task in charge.
level 3 the task performers.

The govering one could be created with the collaborative force of all magicians and empowered with the Higher Gods.
The level 2 ones could be created by some advanced magicians empowered with Semi Gods and Devtas.
The level 3 could be created by having each magician create one and regulary energized by that magician.

So each magician will have to regulary do the necessary for his egregore(level 2 and 3), and once a while send energy to the level 1 egregore too. Note that the level 3 egregores need to be distributed to the task 1-5 according to the amount of task there needs be. Like for instance we need a lot of level 3 egregores for task 3 and 4.

About level 1 egregore, we need very powerful rituals to give it the energy from the respective Gods and also the wisdom and means to command the level 2 and 3 ones. So this i would really seek involvement of very experienced occultists.
About level 2, this the advanced magicians could create and for level 3 we could have simple instructions how each member magician could help in doing..

We could also have a level 4 egregore that would still be under a level 2 egregore and work along level 3 ones and this egregore anyone could create, even those non members. Like a member can just ask a friend of his to like follow very simple instructions and burn a candle once a month for this purpose with some focus on the will we want acheived.. Even if that wont be an agregore... at least a thought form if done by thousands would still create an impact. the level 4 egregore could be mostly for task 4.

One more thing, the lifetime of the level 2 and 3 and 4 egregores need to be controlled by the level 1 and it is the level 1 egregore who will provide those sub egregore with necessary energy. So we need the level 1 egregore be autonomous in some sense towards deriving energy by itself with accordance to some Gods.

Mystick

This post has been edited by mystick: Jan 20 2008, 10:51 AM

Greetings!
Here is one link to the article that prompted me to ask for help/ideas...

http://www.truthout.org/issues_06/011808EC.shtml

May I suggest a beginning approach for all you who have been moved to act on this?
Enter into a light trance or whatever and go and try to communicate with the Amazon Deva. This will be a ride you won't soon forget! If you have spirit companions or 'power' animals have them approach this being first and cautiously. Emanate love/trust and work within those guidelines. The Deva is extremely powerful (still) and embodies primal forces! It will be like talking to Madam Pele! Ask it just how we can help and what we can do to aid it in its plight. I ask you to approach it this way so it doesn't misinterpret the sending of human thought constructs as those that are assaulting it even now. For some, go instead to the World Tree and seek counsel there.

I Thank You all who help, even if it is just a happy thought. This being must continue to live! It helps us all! (I apologize for sounding like a fanatic nutcase...but this is too important!) Thank you for your ideas...they can be very useful! Keep them coming and we'll sort through them to form a cohesive aid! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Greetings!

Yet another news link: http://www.truthout.org/issues_06/012508EB.shtml

Thanks!

Hi bym,
I have an idea on how to help with this possibly...but I'll admit, it isn't exactly pacifist in nature.

Bardon's Evocation mentions a couple of fairly high level fire spirits. I of course do not yet have a relationship with such beings myself, unfortunately...but if I did, they'd be who I'd take my case to on this. I'd basically tell them about what is going on, and essentially ask for a fairly large firestorm to be directed at the loggers; to burn the logging equipment...and maybe not the actual people doing the logging themselves, in terms of killing them...but I certainly wouldn't object to them being singed a bit.

The idea would be to send a message...the message essentially being that people who value the forest are not entirely defenseless...and for them to continue to destroy it may not end up being as profitable a venture as they had first thought.

This is purely about money, I suspect...they'd be looking at clearing the land in order to sell it or develop it and generate wealth from doing that. All we thus need to do is create disturbance of a sufficient scale that the cost of them clearing the area becomes greater than the projected monetary gains that they would collect from doing so. Simple in theory, but perhaps not in practice.

That though would be my approach...although I'm a little too squeamish (not to mention way too inexperienced) to try this myself, the other group I'd very much petition would be the local insect spirits. Swarms of ants and/or mantids infesting their equipment and housing might make the loggers think twice about hanging around...and I'm guessing there are a number of very large spiders living in the Amazon as well. As Acid09 once told me, spiders are actually very practically minded creatures, and very survival oriented...if they got wind of the idea that their entire local habitat was going to be destroyed, I have a feeling life could become very difficult indeed for the people attempting to cut it down.

I also just had another idea, of asking the solars/angelics for help with it...but I discounted that. Reason being is because (and this is a guess) I get the feeling that if someone talked to Archangel Michael about what was going on here, and asked if the angels would help, he'd actually say no, and that that was because although what's being done is bad, it's being done as a result of human free will...people are making a choice, and if the angels get involved in that, or counter it, they'd be interfering with free will...which they as one particular group have a problem with doing.

I'm not saying, by mentioning that bym, that I'm opposed to what you're doing here...quite the opposite...I was going through mentally and looking at what (very few) entities I knew of that we might be able to ask for help. In terms of pre-existents though, we're going to have to rely on entities which don't care about violating other people's will...and that automatically rules out most of the more powerful beings that I know about.

One last thing...do you know about the Ellis net/linking sigil? It's an energetic network of sorts that some Chaotes have been putting together, which was specifically designed I believe to facilitate activism against just this sort of thing.

This post has been edited by Petrus: Jan 26 2008, 05:34 AM