Fact And Fiction Of Christianity, I need to understand the real truth about who I am Options

First off, it all started with a website called www.truejesus.org. It was a website about the Jesus Bloodline. They had a DNA test to prove if you're a descendant of Jesus Christ. The funny thing about it is that I passed the test. Ever since that day I had to put aside my childhood beliefs and take upon a conscious on things that are against my beliefs an try to put some of these things to the test in different ways. For some reason, I believe my guardian angel made me find this website and another website. I prayed alot to speak to my guardian angel to know about all the secret mysteries that have been kept from me in this world. I came across a website saying that their was a language called Enochian of which demons and angels spoke of. Other than that I heard and read that the man named Jesus is also Satan.( If someone says that's wrong then I'll except it). I also want to know if their is more than one god. The truth about the serpent in the Bible and the horned god. I wan to know who is the god that we should turn to and how can I speak to my guardian angels' Judhiel and Seheiah( I have a problem on pronouncing these names) by using Enochian language. I also wan to know if their is away to bend reality by using this butterfly effect of chaos or other ways. I found this website:http://freespace.virgin.net/ecliptica.ww/book/wishingwell.htm. I have all the time in the world to understand. Whatever you do if you anything that can get me back to heaven and all the right path then please post.

Er, first thing's first, I would do as much research from as many sources as you can to get a clearer picture as to a: whether or not this website could possibly have any verifiable DNA of Jesus the Nazarene, because so far the jury is still out as to whether or not he even existed, much less had children, etc. Everything on the subject so far is conjecture or very biased archaeology; then b: maybe have a friend send in a sample as well - it could be one of those things where they tell everyone that they're a descendant of Jesus... for all sorts of reasons beginning with money and ending, unfortunately, with making a bid for world change in a very odd and roundabout way. You cannot trust everything you read on the web.

Secondly, no one can give you most of these answers you're looking for. If you want the story of Jesus, read up as much as you can and form your own opinions - there are no hard facts to correlate any stories. Half of the new testament gospels show enough contradiction to be considered falsified documents, and almost all of them were written after the death of Jesus, not during. Suffice to say, the so-called facts are shady at best.

Then, consider that Jesus was not the first person to be - supposedly - resurrected, or crucified, or to heal people, or be born of a virgin. In fact, these things are basically staple elements of mythology before a certain period of time in cultures all over the world. This either invalidates 'Christ', or grants a larger perspective on the subject that has nothing to do with bloodlines. Either is a positive step in my opinion.

Finally, One God, Many Gods, No Gods - there is no truth or fiction in any of those. Your connection to Divinity is personal and no one can make a decision on it for you. Seek out those answers in yourself. If you're looking for arguments for and against each stance, that's one thing. But there is no secret mystery truth - that I know of at least, hah! - regarding God. You are an expression of a Divine force incomprehensible to any created being. Whatever is required for you to reach the next step in your evolution is what you are going to discover when you search for those answers yourself - they are all true, and none of them are true. If you need many Gods to inspire your forward on your path, or to truly connect with particular parts of your Divine Nature, then there are many Gods. If you need One God to focus your devotion and faith towards a higher aspiration than yourself, then there is only One God. If you need an absence of God in order to understand the fundamental living nature of existence, or for that matter the dire importance of your actions as mechanics in a very complicated machine in the physical, then there is No God.

Even the most enlightened of sages, who may know of all of the experiences their soul has had over many lifetimes, know that they cannot know YOUR experience. It is completely personal, and it is the most intimate exchange between yourself and Divinity. You do not need the blood of Jesus in you to discover or follow this natural urge we all have in some form. All you need is to turn your ears inward and listen to your own inner Voice. It echoes from the place where your soul arises from the unified Divine Nature underlying, connecting, and penetrating all of existence.

You also do not need to learn enochian to speak with your guardian angel. Your Guardian Angels speak to you all the time whether you are listening or not, and the hear you whether you know you are speaking to them or not.

Very lastly, everyone bends reality all of the time, proactively and retroactively. It's the way consciousness interfaces with physical reality and selectively experiences the Karmic currents necessary to our evolution. Try changing the quality of your thoughts in one direction or another - positive or negative - and see how it affects not only your present and future, but your past as well. Write down a series of memories, put them in an envelope, and do not think of them for 90 days. Over that 90 days make a conscious effort to change your thought patterns for the better or, if you prefer, for the worst. Then in 90 days write down the same memories. Are they the same? You may be surprised. But, how you remember the past is how the past happened for you, it's real - if affects your actions, your thoughts, your interactions with your own consciousness and the rest of the world around you. Interesting stuff...

peace
V

P.S. Having just seen the website, I'm even less convinced. These words have a universal significance to almost all english speaking people - and an equal significance to people in any culture in their own language. Don't fall for crap like this. You don't need these people to tell you that you are special, or that you have some great potential within you, to know that it's already true no matter who you are. Besides that, this recording they give you has a horrible quality of sound. Just words themselves don't do anything, it's a combination of pronunciation, intonation, rhythm, frequency, and the combination of the spoken words with the mental activity going on in conjunction with them. Just listening to a poor quality recording and repeating what you hear wouldn't have an effect beyond something vaguely hypnotic - assuming you're susceptible to hypnosis in the first place.
Take responsibility for your own potential, don't let some douche make you think you have to have fancy genes to access it.

This post has been edited by Vagrant Dreamer: Jul 11 2008, 06:11 PM

Jesus is the Devil!

Well, maybe not, but saying so can make teeth grind, especially among people with boundless devotion and little or no Biblical knowledge. While I wouldn't recommend bothering people for the fun of it, tossing around a few of the following Bible mysteries tends to spin the heads of the less-informed fanatics. I stumbled across these things years ago and have enjoyed sharing them on occasion.

Isaiah 14:12 refers to Helel ben Shahar or "Son of the Morning" in his tirade against the King of Babylon. This is a title for the planet Venus, seen to rise like a bright star at dawn and then become soon obliterated by the Sun's light. This "morning star" is named Lucifer in the King James Bible, and many sects of Christianity interpret the passage as a reference to the spiritual character of the Devil.

Revelation 22:16 offers a different story. At the very tail-end of the Bible, Jesus has vanquished all of his enemies and is ready to admit his loyal followers into his arms for their final reward. Just before he claims them as his own, he makes a short speech, which ends "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

It could be interpreted as Jesus having fooled everyone, but revealing himself as the Devil at the last minute when it is clearly too late. It's not like there are no other warnings.

After all, Psalm 146:3 says there is no hope in the Son of Man, which you might recall Jesus also claimed as his own title in passages like Matthew 18:11 and elsewhere.

When pressed for justification about his demigod status in John 10:30etc, Jesus refers his audience to the Psalm 82:6 wherein it is said "ye are called gods and sons of god, but ye shall be judged like men." In other words, if those pagan deities are worth being called sons of gods, why not Jesus too? About the only Old Testament character who is happy to proclaim divinity among men is the Serpent mentioned in Genesis 3:5 who is also identified as the Devil by most Christian sects.

I regard the entire idea of Jesus as a myth based loosely on a person now long-dead, not much different from any other pagan demigod. It is suspicious, in light of Old Testament warnings against anyone who should come along to revise or alter the Sinai covenant, or set himself up as equal to God and receive prayers and worship, that Jesus would be found doing exactly that. No wonder the Sanhedrin wanted him killed!

First off, it all started with a website called www.truejesus.org. It was a website about the Jesus Bloodline. They had a DNA test to prove if you're a descendant of Jesus Christ. The funny thing about it is that I passed the test. Ever since that day I had to put aside my childhood beliefs and take upon a conscious on things that are against my beliefs an try to put some of these things to the test in different ways. For some reason, I believe my guardian angel made me find this website and another website. I prayed alot to speak to my guardian angel to know about all the secret mysteries that have been kept from me in this world. I came across a website saying that their was a language called Enochian of which demons and angels spoke of. Other than that I heard and read that the man named Jesus is also Satan.( If someone says that's wrong then I'll except it). I also want to know if their is more than one god. The truth about the serpent in the Bible and the horned god. I wan to know who is the god that we should turn to and how can I speak to my guardian angels' Judhiel and Seheiah( I have a problem on pronouncing these names) by using Enochian language. I also wan to know if their is away to bend reality by using this butterfly effect of chaos or other ways. I found this website:http://freespace.virgin.net/ecliptica.ww/book/wishingwell.htm. I have all the time in the world to understand. Whatever you do if you anything that can get me back to heaven and all the right path then please post.

Oh Please... Test your DNA for the Jesus Bloodline... First internet 101 my son...

Let me act my age... I have been on the Internet longer then your journey on earth (this time anyway). Be safe always take anything on the internet with a grain of salt, actually have a salt mine handy. Treat it as No one and Noting is what it seems.

Vagrant Dreamer covered it very well.
We all view reality from a different angle. Here is a bit of how I have come to understand some of what you mentioned

DNA is in many traditions the teacher. It is almost universally depicted as 2 serpents usually inertwined, sometimes there is only one serpent. The staff of Hermes is an example. As it the serpent in the tree of knowledge. Interesting you mention both.

If you are speaking to "angels" maybe you could look into shamanism (with out drugs), I think you would find that ineresting. I have many entities and have talked to some of them all my life. You can also get a good idea of the heaven as you can visit the realm.

the whole Jesus thing:

First of all I do believe there was a Jesus, but also Krishna, Thoth, Apollo, Thor, on and on. I fairly recently got into the Ascended master concept. I stayed away because mostly in the west we start looking at them through the christian religion. Personally I have had my fill of Modern day Christianity, I get turned off. I have nothing but respect for a real christian, but you have to look very hard to find them. Any way, once you start to understand the Ascended masters who they were/are and their purpose it just makes more sense, than the religions that grew up around them. There are many many more then the usual suspects. Once you start to understand the fairy tales or religion make more sense.
They are very powerful, they don't like being elevated to gods, they have rules to follow and they have missions, jobs (what ever) to do. They are more team members with us if we chose to be on the team.

Any way, just wanted to add to the confusion. Look into the Ascended masters, I think you will find many answers to your question. Pick a tradition there are Ascended masters in all of them.

Just a thought... you will probably use the Net to look into the Ascended Masters (assuming you are interested in the first place), we are back to the beginning here. So I suggest Alice A. Bailey not easy to read but every sentence says something. Also http://www.blavatsky.net/ there is a lot of info there and even a free course sent by e-mail. What ever tradition I recommend the free course. I stayed away form this stuff when I was your age. There was too many rumors about these people. A chain of "coincidences" lead me to them, I read some of the material and find noting to support the rumors. Each tradition has something to teach none hold all the answers. I again have not followed this tradition but they put out good information. For me I find it both Logical and supported by experience.

So there is a good starting place, here is also good as you will certianly see reality for different points of view. No all will be your thing but there is variety here.

Want an interesting life follow the "coincidences" (there is no such thing by the way).

Vagrant Dreamer have you thought about a career as a diplomat?

Krell

I also think that it is unlikely that anyone has any verified DNA from Jesus Christ. IN addition, you ought not put much trust in any one website. Researching a number of books and articles, then digest and ruminate over them. You might want to read the series of books which begins with Holy Blood, Holy Grail. It is this series of books which Dan Brown ripped off to write the best seller The Da Vinci Code, But from my reading of Holy Blood, Holy Grail, while parts of it are verifiable and illuminating, there are large leaps of unverifiable logic. By the way, did the DNA test cost you money? I'm just looking at the motivations behind the site.

For those who want to take a look, the site is here: http://www.thetruejesus.org/.

It doesn't cost money, but like I said before - they are words that in any language have the same basic connotations and tend to insprie the same kinds of emotional reactions in most people familiar with the concepts; which is virtually everyone.

I especially like this page: http://www.thetruejesus.org/healing_techniques.htm where near the bottom they have an arbitrary system of 'Natural Healing Point Scoring' - where they basically compare there techniques with Reiki and "Other Natural Healing Techniques" (a radical generalization), to show empirically that their system of natural energy healing is clearly superior.

You can recieve the basic techniques for free, but although these techniques are meant strictly for the ascension and evolution of mankind as Christ intended, there is of course a fee associated with the intermediate, advanced, and adept techniques. My curiosity compelled me to enquire about those techniques... i guess we'll find out!

peace
V

actually, according to some gnostic beieves, the serpent which its spoken in the bible its not really evil, its the giver of wisdom and understanding of good and evil, making us, humans, the true children of God, because we become Gods ourselves with the help of this serpent....but thats just acording to some gnostics, others dont think the same

actually, according to some gnostic beieves, the serpent which its spoken in the bible its not really evil, its the giver of wisdom and understanding of good and evil, making us, humans, the true children of God, because we become Gods ourselves with the help of this serpent....but thats just acording to some gnostics, others dont think the same

Who was Jesus? This took me a while, but after the reading I've done, I gradually came to the conclusion that he was an extremely highly advanced soul who wanted to help others to become the same way.

Was he the son of God? I've gradually come to believe that he wasn't someone who truthfully claimed any kind of exclusivity for himself whatsoever, and in fact actually told people not to worship him. He wanted to help people develop and reach their own potential, and I believe he also expressed that any time someone takes any other master, it slows down their own development.

Do I believe in the miracles? Yep. They are consistent with accounts of various siddhis being produced in other people, and/or what we commonly refer to as "paranormal abilities." Jesus told the people around him at the time, that anyone could do what he was doing, and that is true, too.

Was he crucified? Yep. Jesus was telling people they could liberate themselves, both developmentally and spiritually, was proving it with the miracles, and he was also telling people about what bad guys the Jewish clergy were. They didn't like that one bit, and the liberation stuff also really scared them because they felt they needed to maintain an appearance of being subservient to Rome, because they were worried the army would come and kill all of them if they didn't.

Was he resurrected, and did he ascend? This one I'm a little unsure on; but I will say that if there's anyone I've ever read about who I think could have done it, it's him.

(Note: All of the above is my opinion. Some people might agree with it; some won't)

Was he the son of God? I've gradually come to believe that he wasn't someone who truthfully claimed any kind of exclusivity for himself whatsoever, and in fact actually told people not to worship him. He wanted to help people develop and reach their own potential, and I believe he also expressed that any time someone takes any other master, it slows down their own development.

Absolutely. I believe Jesus was a man, who through his own spiritual practices was able to attain a very high spiritual level, 'almost' G-d like, but not absolutely G-d like. Working of miracles, which I believe were more ikely working of energies (casting out 'devils', healing lepers, imo. were actually him working with energies and casting the energies by assigning them as demons. I also believe he was a great occultist, in fact, I believe that he was perhaps one of the most most high level practitioner of magick, in the world, possibly ever.
In all, he was good man, with a very good set of morals and ethics, who was able to attain a very high spiritual level, and wanted to help people out without any selfishness. good man in general. Although as a Jew I do not believe he was the messiah per 'say, but a good man in general.