Conjuring For Healing, Is this wise? Options

I have been having thoughts of conjuring a spirit or entity for sake of asking for my mind to stop buzzing so much. I have not been able to sleep very much, and my condition is slowly wasting away as I trudge through each day exhausted from a night of feeling like there is a static storm zapping around in my head. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/badmood.gif)

Is it a wise idea to make a conjuration ritual to summon an entity known for helping the health and well being of humans for this purpose? And if so, who? I am thinking of one who is known for medicine, perhaps a polite request for the presence of Hermes. Any comments or suggestions?

Raphael of Tiphareth is my go to guy for this sort of thing. I recommend him.

Raphael of Tiphareth is my go to guy for this sort of thing. I recommend him.

I concur with Nero on this. My experience with Raphael was safe, positive, and very effective for what I needed. Assuming you intend to do it more properly than I did, though, I'm guessing you will want a sigil. Nero, you've got one for Raphael, yes?

This post has been edited by Petrus: Sep 30 2008, 01:43 PM

I agree as well, although it sounds like there is too much fire and air in your system. So alternatively you could try earth element meditation, a la bardon's method, to balance it out. If you wanted to evoke a spirit, Raphael is good suggestion, but also sylphs to control the air aspect of intellect, salamanders to control the fire aspect if your problem is too much mental energy, or again gnomes if you want to raise earth energy to balance it out.

Really the best solution will depend on the root of the problem. Why is your mind racing so much? Are you stressed, not expressing yourself creatively enough, or have too much energy? An hour on the bike or treadmill might just solve your problem.

Yoga nidra is another effective method of calming the mind and getting plenty of sleep, although the practice itself is not supposed to put you to sleep - it certainly works if you allow it to. Chanting a long mantra can help as well, simply chanting it when you lay down until your mind is calm and you fall asleep - also you'll have a great effect on your dreams as well more than likely.

A method I have used to calm my mind - as a gemini (which I beleive you are as well, yes?) mental activity is one of my 'strong points' as well as an occasional obstacle - is to visualize my mind as a whole, as a pool of water. I focus on keeping the surface of the water placid and calm. By associating thought with the disturbance of the water, which is a simple intention function, as my mind begins to race, the water will begin to make ripples and waves, sometimes even froth violently. I just force the water to be calm, the surface mirrorlike, and in time it consumes my attention so completely that thought simply stops. Eventually, if I'm trying to sleep, I just fall asleep with that visual in my mind.

I would suggest rooting out the nature of the issue first, although Raphael can help you discover that as well. I would enter into conversation with him to find out, and ask his advice for solving the problem, before I would ask him to actually assist me in applying the solution, if only to have that in my tool belt.

peace

I would suggest rooting out the nature of the issue first, although Raphael can help you discover that as well. I would enter into conversation with him to find out, and ask his advice for solving the problem, before I would ask him to actually assist me in applying the solution, if only to have that in my tool belt.

Another awesome suggestion, Vagrant. You seem to have rather a lot of those. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I seem to also remember Nero mentioning some particular Earth element ritual for someone to use after they'd summoned sylphs, as well. Given that Gemini is air as you say, that could definitely help.

Although I'm solar Aquarian myself, I'm also extremely Saturnine (Saturn singleton in Leo, Saturn in 5 opp Mars in 10, Cap Moon in 10, etc) so I think that keeps me grounded. Grounding for me can still be an issue, though...my Moon has strong aspects to Neptune, or "the planet of mental line noise," as I like to refer to it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/insane.gif)

This post has been edited by Petrus: Sep 30 2008, 05:15 PM

Another awesome suggestion, Vagrant. You seem to have rather a lot of those.

You beat me to it, Petrus.

Vagrant, I thank you for your great advice. Before seeking aetherial means of solving my problems, it may be wiser, as you have suggested, to try a pool of water meditation and hop on a treadmill or bike and see if there is an effect. I have had a history of having trouble grounding my energies.

The reason I asked this question in the first place is interconnected with various other issues I have, amongst them is a state of spiritual bliss that I lived in but was ignorant of until I realized it had disappeared from my life. I was just desperate for a solution to it all. Moreso, desperate for results. Sorry to go off on a tangent, so maybe I will just say the point of this excursive mindfart: I lack patience, and I blame being mortal for that.

Now, back on topic, just who is Raphael of Tiphareth? Is this the same as Archangel Raphael? And would I need a medium, because my channels are not as good as I would hope for such a working, or would the simple presence open them for communication?

Vagrant, I thank you for your great advice. Before seeking aetherial means of solving my problems, it may be wiser, as you have suggested, to try a pool of water meditation and hop on a treadmill or bike and see if there is an effect. I have had a history of having trouble grounding my energies.

Well, as far as muggle remedies are concerned, a Geminian friend of mine used to be able to use Valerian pills for a good night's sleep at least, too.

Now, back on topic, just who is Raphael of Tiphareth? Is this the same as Archangel Raphael? And would I need a medium, because my channels are not as good as I would hope for such a working, or would the simple presence open them for communication?

The very same. Incidentally, it turns out his planetary correspondence is Mercury, which being Geminian yourself, would work perfectly for you, I expect.

As for a medium, depends on what sort of manifestation you want, I'm guessing. I tend to go for astral/"imagination" myself. You could always get a friend to do even that on your behalf though, probably, if you're not good at that format either. Another two things I'd recommend would be one or two yellow roses if you can afford them, since he is partial to those, and possibly an mp3 of Pachabell's Cannon by Vivaldi in the background, perhaps...he's very eighteenth century, and it's a nice piece of music, besides. There's a list of the types of incense he likes here (http://www.archangels-and-angels.com/aa_pages/correspondences/incense_oil_perfumes/raphael_mercury.html) as well.

I will admit that that is one reason why I could grow to love evocation; the archangels in particular are exceptionally refined, from what I've seen, and they seem to have aesthetics from particular artistic periods that they are fond of. With Raphael, as I said, it seems to be early 1700s, around that time...whereas someone else mentioned Michael goes for early Roman armor. Even if you're going to work with the Goetics, making things go more smoothly during an evocation via temporary interior decoration seems like an awesome excuse for brushing up on your art history.

This post has been edited by Petrus: Sep 30 2008, 10:06 PM

Those are certainly some good points on the evocation or invocation of Raphael. However, let me here suggest something pertaining specifically to angels and the school of communication you may choose to enter into. It goes for demons too, but I think it's better to keep them well outside your sphere, personally.

In particular, this something has to do with manifestations of angels. Not shining figures of light preceded by choirs of kerubim, but their actual function as an intelligent structures within creation. Like the spheres themselves which converge through a series of mindboggling pandimensional mechanics only comprehensible on large doses of acid, the angels as well are not just beings who float around in the ethers carrying messages and meting out the justice of the lord - they are mechanics of existence and of a conscious universe.

So when performing any angelic operation of which the aim is simply, in a word, inspiration, I suggest a more organic approach: perform the invocation as normal, and then simply sit and contemplate the matter - without leaving whatever ritual setting you are in - write down any thoughts you have, write stream of consciousness for that matter, until you've filled a page or two, and then go back over it again, and again. Maybe you won't need to pick it apart like that, the inspiration may be immediately of practical use, and often is, although raphael has a tendency to induce lengthy, if valuable, tangential rants.

There are three big reasons why employing the angels and archangels in this way is more practical than 'evocation' - 1. you learn more, and nothing an angel can do for you is permanent except teach you; 2. the communication is clearer, more organic, and can often continue for far longer than an angel can remain manifest, which is a little like etheric blood bursting temporarily out of the arteries of creation; 3. You will develop a rapport with the angel that you will not develop through 'classic' evocation, and over time it's function will become a more permanent element of your consciousness.

Have fun.

peace

This post has been edited by Vagrant Dreamer: Sep 30 2008, 11:36 PM

There are three big reasons why employing the angels and archangels in this way is more practical than 'evocation' - 1. you learn more, and nothing an angel can do for you is permanent except teach you; 2. the communication is clearer, more organic, and can often continue for far longer than an angel can remain manifest, which is a little like etheric blood bursting temporarily out of the arteries of creation; 3. You will develop a rapport with the angel that you will not develop through 'classic' evocation, and over time it's function will become a more permanent element of your consciousness.

Excellent, Beautiful!

The very same. Incidentally, it turns out his planetary correspondence is Mercury, which being Geminian yourself, would work perfectly for you, I expect.

Amazing. I never thought I could find this much help before.

Vagrant, as valid as your input is, when it boils down to it, I seek more a certain effect than I do an inspiration. I have had plenty of inspiration, but my motivation to work it has been low. I need to plug in. Hook up. Charge. Re-energize.

What you named in point 3 in the quoted paragraph did remind me, however, how I managed to integrate the Raziel mechanic into my consciousness. The ability to see things with the eye of wisdom has since been a valuable asset, and I managed to see this truth through His eyes, on matters of the heart:

"Only a hardened heart is capable of breaking. If one wishes to have a heart reforged, make it melt!"

Now, I will recap what input I am gettting from everyone here: The ritual is a good idea, but in the end, I get the most out of inspiration rather than from evocation.

As great as it is, as 'organic' (as Vagrant put it) as it is (I know firsthand the Organic feel of Raziel's wisdom, so I know where you are coming from), I still need a straight up shock applied to blockages that I cannot pull off myself. Inspiration is not what I seek. I seek power, and I will openly admit to it. I seek the power to heal me and place me in a state of being that I find to be balanced for my soul. I just wanted to know if this is the right entity to "plug into."

Invocation, so I gather, is for inspiration. Then what would evocation do? You say effects wouldn't be permanent, but what can be done to make them permanent, or if I must, who of the aether has such a capable influence over humans?

This post has been edited by Xenomancer: Sep 30 2008, 11:54 PM

Amazing. I never thought I could find this much help before.

You've given me the topic for an interesting conversation, so consider it a fair trade. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Invocation, so I gather, is for inspiration. Then what would evocation do? You say effects wouldn't be permanent, but what can be done to make them permanent, or if I must, who of the aether has such a capable influence over humans?

As far as permanent effects are concerned; I believe that Raphael did help me heal quite dramatically...but I think Vagrant possibly leans towards what I think was also Bardon's interpretation, namely that if you ask spirits for information on how to do for yourself, ("how to fish," to quote the analogy) it lessens the risk of detrimental pacts developing than if you simply ask the spirit to do something for you in entirety.

It is quite possible that Raphael could entirely heal you himself, but by asking him how you can administer your own treatment, you maintain your independence. I'm inclined to believe that with a being of his particular nature, that wouldn't necessarily be an issue in this specific case, but Vagrant may feel otherwise...and truthfully, it is more desirable to avoid taking the risk if possible.

As for the difference between invocation and evocation (I think; someone please correct me if I'm wrong):-

Evocation is a scenario in which a spirit is placed externally to yourself/your body and forcibly constrained in a specific location. (Customarily the triangle)

With invocation, conversely, the spirit is allowed to freely approach you in close proximity and move as near as it needs to in order to be able to communicate with you, and in the case of a spirit with which you are particularly intimate and comfortable, voluntary posession (channelling, essentially) may occur.

Godforms in particular, it is said, generally insist on the latter, invocation, if communication with them is sought. In their case, evocation and imprisonment within the triangle is seen as a grievous insult, although in the case with contemporary Godforms, it is also usually assumed that a mortal practitioner would be unable to constrain them in such a way anyway, and would certainly incur a dangerous level of anger from them if they were to try.

That being the case, my own experience with Raphael technically would have been considered an invocation rather than an evocation, as I did not draw circle or triangle, and he thus was not constrained. I suspect he and his fellow angels would consider such measures entirely unnecessary for us to deal with them, and also an insult.

This post has been edited by Petrus: Oct 1 2008, 12:53 AM

Vagrant, as valid as your input is, when it boils down to it, I seek more a certain effect than I do an inspiration. I have had plenty of inspiration, but my motivation to work it has been low. I need to plug in. Hook up. Charge. Re-energize.

Then it sounds like Raphael may not be the angel you need in that case. If you already have the inspiration and tools that you need to achieve your healing, Raphael may simply refer you to another angel. This has happened to me twice before. Angels usually only intervene - make things happen - when there is no other way. We're talking about the forces that uplift and evolve creation - it's in their nature to push us to do things on our own, in order to grow and evolve.

What you named in point 3 in the quoted paragraph did remind me, however, how I managed to integrate the Raziel mechanic into my consciousness. The ability to see things with the eye of wisdom has since been a valuable asset, and I managed to see this truth through His eyes, on matters of the heart:

As a healer, I have had the same experience with Raphael.

Now, I will recap what input I am gettting from everyone here: The ritual is a good idea, but in the end, I get the most out of inspiration rather than from evocation.

As great as it is, as 'organic' (as Vagrant put it) as it is (I know firsthand the Organic feel of Raziel's wisdom, so I know where you are coming from), I still need a straight up shock applied to blockages that I cannot pull off myself. Inspiration is not what I seek. I seek power, and I will openly admit to it. I seek the power to heal me and place me in a state of being that I find to be balanced for my soul. I just wanted to know if this is the right entity to "plug into."

If you are looking for a show of power, I caution you against evoking an angel. Angels are approached with humility, compassion, and true need for intervention, evolution, or aide. They are benevolent, but in a sort of 'for your own good' kind of way. More importantly, there are stories about people who went insane when they laid eyes on the "Choirs of the Lord", or heard their "song". People with burned out eyes or simply dead also come to mind.

Which means more than likely all an evocation will get you are the subtle results of any astral evocation. If you haven't witnessed the material evocation of any other being - and I suspect you haven't, based largely on your current desire for this evocation, as it seems to be to some degree a matter of faith here - then the likliehood of evoking and angel to physical manifestation is basically null in any case.

You mention before that you had plenty of inspiration, and now you say that you need "shock applied to blockages" - I might suggest alternatives to Raphael as well that may produce what you might consider more immediate and 'powerful' results. Raphael's effects are almost always subtle. Kamael of Geburah may help you bring that inspiration into manifestation according to cosmic law. Michael can help manifest that inspiration as well in a possibly a less balanced mode, simply taking the raw intention and design in your consciousness and bringing it down into physical being.

More advanced than this is a series of invocations, utilizing a team of angels/archangels, if you are less inspired than you suggest - Tzadkiel can deliver the core principles of your solution as archetypal energies of existence to Raphael, who can weave them into a pattern of implementation that will be balanced and beneficial to you, Kamael can 'pull' that stream of energy into the level of pre-manifestation along the route of cosmic law, Michael can bring that energy to the point of manifestation and Sandalphon can 'deliver the goods' as it were and assist you in allowing those manifestations to integrate with your physical reality safely. Any time I work with a series of archangels or angels for any reason, I ask that Metatron, Raziel or Tzaphkiel to oversee the operation depending on the nature of the ends I seek.

Invocation, so I gather, is for inspiration. Then what would evocation do? You say effects wouldn't be permanent, but what can be done to make them permanent, or if I must, who of the aether has such a capable influence over humans?

What I mean is that you cannot bind an angel into permanent service. It will arrive, do something for you, and leave, and be less likely to accept invocation at a later time. You may be sick and in need of balancing now - if Raphael arrives and puts you into balance, what happens when you are unbalanced again? Do you go back to Raphael for a quick fix? Ultimately you become reliant, and the Archangels stop assisting you, because it is not in their nature to enable. And when I say it is not in their nature, I mean it in the same way it is not in the nature of sunlight to make something cold, or for light not to illuminate. They are a force for evolution and growth - they can no more spoil you than light can fail to illuminate or sunlight to warm your face.

You can see how Demons stand in diametric opposition here, and why, I think.

Don't discount the subtlety of invocation for a 'lesser' manifestation of power just because there aren't shaking walls and flashing lights (or burning eyeballs for that matter). A invocation can be intense, breathtaking, and unmistakable as a truly spiritual experience that can change your life. But to achieve that you must truly open your heart to the Angelic power, and let that power take hold of you. You have to trust it, which you cannot and should not do with so many other entities. To trust it, you have to have love. Raziel's mechanic should make this far easier for you. The presence of the angelic current in your body, consciousness, and soul can be enough to push you to the limits of sanity, but without breaking your mind.

I would give it some serious thought, and consider the difference between what you want and what you need. All magick should be practiced with adventure and abandon, but not at the expense of widsom and practicality. We must balance the desire to be entertained with the desire to accomplish true Work.

peace

Don't discount the subtlety of invocation for a 'lesser' manifestation of power just because there aren't shaking walls and flashing lights (or burning eyeballs for that matter). A invocation can be intense, breathtaking, and unmistakable as a truly spiritual experience that can change your life. But to achieve that you must truly open your heart to the Angelic power, and let that power take hold of you. You have to trust it, which you cannot and should not do with so many other entities. To trust it, you have to have love. Raziel's mechanic should make this far easier for you. The presence of the angelic current in your body, consciousness, and soul can be enough to push you to the limits of sanity, but without breaking your mind.

I would give it some serious thought, and consider the difference between what you want and what you need. All magick should be practiced with adventure and abandon, but not at the expense of widsom and practicality. We must balance the desire to be entertained with the desire to accomplish true Work.

Therein was a response that made the difference clear between "Big power" and "Smart power." Vagrant, you have my thanks again. Thank you for clarifying the differences in effects of the workings. +1 Reputation. Bravo!

With invocation, conversely, the spirit is allowed to freely approach you in close proximity and move as near as it needs to in order to be able to communicate with you, and in the case of a spirit with which you are particularly intimate and comfortable, voluntary posession (channelling, essentially) may occur.

And here is the real revelation of differences between the acts themselves. +1 for you too, Petrus! I just hope the forum lets me add more than just one point...

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On an added note, I would like to say that after a huge argument with my fiancee, I matured up to admit that I was seeking a "shortcut" for my problems and decided to "check mah'self befo' I wreck mah'self." I kindly ask that this thread be considered not a waste of time, but rather that I found it to be a rich and informative thread for learning purposes. Thank you all again.

This post has been edited by Xenomancer: Oct 1 2008, 03:22 PM

On an added note, I would like to say that after a huge argument with my fiancee, I matured up to admit that I was seeking a "shortcut" for my problems and decided to "check mah'self befo' I wreck mah'self." I kindly ask that this thread be considered not a waste of time, but rather that I found it to be a rich and informative thread for learning purposes. Thank you all again.

I didn't consider it a waste of time myself at all. One of the things which a few people here have tried to impress on me at times, is that as important as having experience with magic itself, is the ability to know when to seek magical solutions to problems, and when to seek mundane ones.

As for wanting to do an evocation for power or the proverbial razzle dazzle factor, I wouldn't necessarily beat yourself up for that, either; I've been known to be stricken with that particular affliction myself from time to time, and I'm sure I'm not alone.

Truthfully I think, a lot of the time when I feel what I think is a need for power or mystique, what I'm really feeling is a need for connection on a more purely theological level. I've found that if I engage in some prayer, I will be satisfied at the end of it, and won't be mourning over the fact that I haven't called up something objectionable that's given me the ability to cause other people's clothing to spontaneously burst into flames. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/diablo.gif)

It's a case of thinking we're hungry for sizzle, when we're actually hungry for steak, spiritually speaking.

This post has been edited by Petrus: Oct 1 2008, 09:20 PM

I really appreciate all the great input.

If there was one thing I would ask an entity, perhaps Raphael, I would have asked, "What is the best thing to do for myself in order to ground my spirit, consciousness, and energy?"

I think that was the original problem all along. I don't think I ever completely grounded from my original start of my journey. No one told me what it was or how to do it. Sure, I joke about it, acting mundane for the sake of mundane's sake to reach a grounded state...but nothing ever worked, save for martial arts. Maybe I'll get back into it and see where it takes me.

Fortune Cookie Idea: "A head in the clouds is no problem so long as your feet are on firm ground." - Grounding proverb

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wizard.gif) Arise! Arise, dead thread, arise!!

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/zomby.gif) NNnnnnuuuuuuurrrgh......

About eight months later, I get the same impulse: Conjure for help. I have had the urge to do so for quite some time consistently for the months in between, but I made a vow to try to solve the problem as best as possible with mundane sciences first. Why solve a problem metaphysically if it can be solved mundanely with even less effort? But, to no avail, as there has been little, if any, change, and the only change has been a slight improvement to the quality of my sleep.

But, the (I want to call it urge, but it's more an inclination and feeling than a compulsion) of conjuring for help keeps coming back again and again. I'm not going to fight it anymore. I'm going to set up ritual shop, scan over Imperial Art's books on advice for custom materials, and do some rituals by-the-book and get some good help.

Maybe while I'm at it, I can actually call up Raziel just for the purpose of thanking him for being such a wonderful help all these years, and to give him my appreciation for being patient with me for that time! Or maybe not. Perhaps it is better just to make a simple prayer, or make a sigil and put it on an altar and incense it...*shrug*

Anyhow, I'm going all in. No more Mr. Armchair Sorcerer. It's either throw the chips in and play the hand, or I keep spending my fare on the tidbits.

didn't you look at that various grounding techniques thread? i thought for some reason you were the one who started it???? i dunno, i assumed conjuring anything would have the effect of un-grounding a person...?

well, follow your intuition. usually it is right. well...mine is. i don't know about yours. i get the feeling yours is usually right, lol. hmmmm my blessings on your general endeavors. may you be successful! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/spoton.gif)

White noise generator?

You could try evoking San Lazaro or Babalu-Aye from the Santeria tradition. He's know for his medicine and for miraculously healing the sick. Just my two cents.